Mass Effect 2 Hitting PS3 in January

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If there is any "blame" to be had it is with EA and not Bioware. I personally think Bioware deserve all the money and success they can get; and while as a Xbox 360 fan feel like I've lost a little of something special (which in all reality I haven't because I can still play ME1, 2 and eventually 3) and am also a little happy that PS3 users get to enjoy something really special in Mass Effect.
 

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Hey I am not a rich man. I don't have 69.99 + 13% tax to throw around all willy nilly. And when something like this happens it makes me feel like I wasted the money because there is a very good chance I paid that money for what could be the inferior version. Especially when there is other companies with other just as solid games working just as hard for that 70 bucks. So with them playing this game my only option in the future is to play the waiting game. And that means not buying on Day 1 which means I probably won't be able to find it new. Or if I can it won't be going for 69.99 + tax. That is what I mean when I say supporting them. It really is a matter of trust.
Welcome to PS3-ville, where most multiplatform games are (supposedly) not optimized for it and therefore the 360 usually runs the games better. We/they (I got a new PC, so I'm a little less "they") have been dealing with this crap for the past 4-5 years, we've (okay, I'm with the "we" crowd, I'm a Sony fanboy at heart) grown accustomed to it, what the hell can we do about it? The 360 gets DLC after DLC after DLC ahead of time of the PS3, maps packs for CoD games, DLC for Fallout 3 that we got a year after launch, timed exclusives of both full games and DLC (Bioshock comes to mind), etc... all the friggin' time. But when the same thing happens to the 360, suddenly it's all "OOOHH NOOO! You traitors! How could you be disloyal to your loyal fanbase! You stabbed us in the back!"

I do not like the excuse of "But now we're getting/we got the 'inferior' version!" Bull. Shit. No you did not, you got the same experience that we are getting 3 years ago. It's similar to a "Game of the Year" edition of a game (Fallout 3 comes to mind), if you're patient enough you get a better deal, if you're not you get to play the game earlier, it's standard for most things in the electronics industry. The bonus content (note how it's not DLC) could either be something to introduce PS3 owners to the ME universe or it could be a few extra missions on the DLC, I don't know, we'll find out.

Personally I think it's a fair enough compensation for a 3-4 year wait for the second game in the series, we're not even getting the first one so we don't get half the full content of Mass Effect. Fine, you're pissed that you payed a little extra to play the content now, too bad so sad, toughen up, life goes on, and be happy that PS3 owners can finally experience half the world of Mass Effect.

Note: I apologize if I'm coming off as aggressive, but I really do find it pitiful of some of the complaints that Mass Effect 2 (And Portal 2 incidentally) is coming to PS3. Seriously, this is how PS3 owners felt when FFXIII was announced for 360, don't you go whining about "It's not fair!" when it perfectly is.
And what I am saying is (PC/Wii excluded from this) WE SHOULD BE GETTING THE SAME EXPERIENCE FOR THE SAME MONEY NO MATTER WHICH CONSOLE. That goes for both PS3 and 360 (the advantage of owning both you can see it from both sides). If the tables were turned and it was Uncharted 2 I would be just as pissed with Naughty Dog.

They shouldn't be trying to make us turn on each other. Or feel we absolutely need both for non exclusive games.
 

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And what I am saying is (PC/Wii excluded from this) WE SHOULD BE GETTING THE SAME EXPERIENCE FOR THE SAME MONEY NO MATTER WHICH CONSOLE. That goes for both PS3 and 360 (the advantage of owning both you can see it from both sides). If the tables were turned and it was Uncharted 2 I would be just as pissed with Naughty Dog.

They shouldn't be trying to make us turn on each other. Or feel we absolutely need both for non exclusive games.
Again, I'm sorry if I was sounding aggressive or pissy, I'm not trying to flame you or insult you in any way. But I stand by my statement, I still believe that it's fair compensation for the 3-4 year wait of half the game franchise to date to arrive to the Ps3. If Naughty Dog decided to release Uncharted 2 (impossible, owned by Sony, but I'll go with it) I wouldn't find it unreasonable for Naughty Dog to put in some of the extra DLC in for the late arrivals as added incentive to buy the game.

Now, if it was content that you could not get on on the 360, I'd be more inclined to agree with you depending on the content, like if it's just a weapon or two then whatever, but if it's a whole campaign thing then that's BS unless it would be released later on the 360 (The supposed extra intro content is fine as it's a means to introduce PS3 owners since we can't have ME1 anyway).

Though did you read my whole post? I have to say I'm proud of that particular post, for some reason it gives me a little giggle reading it over :D
 

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Far be it from me to infer a more passive-aggressive tone from your post, especially considering the context. I still assume this, in spite of the offense you've taken. Combine that with the now-repeated dismissal of PS3 multi-platform releases and it's hard to take your new tone of indignation at face value. It's true, yes, but it's also common knowledge. Why would someone rub salt in the PS3 owners' wounds like that? Surely it's not to be "academic."

Besides, I'm not the only one who assumed you were being disingenuous with your "ME2 is the inferior game" comment. I'm just the one who quoted you to get your attention.
 

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uhhh gee I haven't even finished ME1 lol
oh well, maybe I'm more of a JRPG person? (whoa that's not true...why did I just say that)
 

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squid5580 said:
And what I am saying is (PC/Wii excluded from this) WE SHOULD BE GETTING THE SAME EXPERIENCE FOR THE SAME MONEY NO MATTER WHICH CONSOLE. That goes for both PS3 and 360 (the advantage of owning both you can see it from both sides). If the tables were turned and it was Uncharted 2 I would be just as pissed with Naughty Dog.

They shouldn't be trying to make us turn on each other. Or feel we absolutely need both for non exclusive games.
Again, I'm sorry if I was sounding aggressive or pissy, I'm not trying to flame you or insult you in any way. But I stand by my statement, I still believe that it's fair compensation for the 3-4 year wait of half the game franchise to date to arrive to the Ps3. If Naughty Dog decided to release Uncharted 2 (impossible, owned by Sony, but I'll go with it) I wouldn't find it unreasonable for Naughty Dog to put in some of the extra DLC in for the late arrivals as added incentive to buy the game.

Now, if it was content that you could not get on on the 360, I'd be more inclined to agree with you depending on the content, like if it's just a weapon or two then whatever, but if it's a whole campaign thing then that's BS unless it would be released later on the 360 (The supposed extra intro content is fine as it's a means to introduce PS3 owners since we can't have ME1 anyway).

Though did you read my whole post? I have to say I'm proud of that particular post, for some reason it gives me a little giggle reading it over :D
Ya I did read it. I don't respond unless I do. And your second paragraph there is why I am bitter. There is no way we will be getting the exact same content. If it was Overlord I couldn't care less. I already bought it (still haven't played it but dammit it is there). They are going to have to do something to fill in the gap between 1 & 2 for the PS3. Which means that they are going to have to put in some sort of history that they create. My first guess would be an animated movie. The whole "hours of bonus content" thing right after they say it will be the exact same game as the originals is why I am nerd raging. Fuck I just find it pitiful everyone whines and cries oh boo hoo us poor devs then they turn around and pull something like this? Jesus do they ever stop and think for a second this could be why people pirate and buy used?
 

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Mass Effect 2 Hitting PS3 in January



The second installment of BioWare's epic sci-fi RPG is coming to Sony's home console early next year.

Console exclusives are less common then they were in the past, but a really good one can still evoke rather potent pangs of jealousy from those who don't get to play it. But one of the very best Microsoft exclusive games, Mass Effect 2, won't be an exclusive for much longer.

Amazon let the cat out of the bag earlier [http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Effect-2-Playstation-3/dp/B002I0J5YW] today, by listing a PS3 version of the game on the US site, and EA later confirmed the news in a press release. The PS3 release of ME2 will include the full game as it appeared on the 360 and PC, and hours of bonus content, which EA says will make it the perfect introduction to the series. Exactly what this bonus content is isn't clear at this time. It could be some of the DLC that has been already released for the game, or something that fills in the gaps for those who haven't played the first Mass Effect. I've contacted EA for clarification on this point, so hopefully I'll be able to update you soon.

There will inevitably be some disappointed PC and 360 gamers who rather liked the idea of having Mass Effect all to themselves, but other than that, there really isn't any downside to this announcement. The audience for the game has pretty much just been doubled, and it stands to reason that EA would want to support the series even more than it has before. According to the Amazon listing, the PS3 release of Mass Effect 2 is scheduled for release on January 31st 2011.

Source: Shacknews [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/65163]






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NOOO!
Now I have nothing over my PS3 obsessed best friend.
Well, I still have Left 4 Dead 2 on my PC. :p
you have halo 3 and gears of war
 
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Doesn't help those who already bought it on day 1 supporting them now does it?
Honestly I have given up on expecting BW to care for those who support it, they dont listen to fans, many felt sold out from ME1 to ME2 for the casual market, then you have people who buy it new, turns out PS3 gets a better deal. Same with how many see DA2 going against many fans wishes, by making you a human and dialouge wheels. BW dosent seem to care about fans, just itself.
i think BW must have plenty of fans who are happy about the decisions they mak n feel catered for, otherwise their games wouldn't sell in the volume they do
 

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Xaositect said:
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The audience for the game has pretty much just been doubled, and it stands to reason that EA would want to support the series even more than it has before.
That comment is full of shit. End of.
Yeah. Last time I checked, both the PC AND 360 outnumber the PS3.
 
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Doesn't help those who already bought it on day 1 supporting them now does it?
Honestly I have given up on expecting BW to care for those who support it, they dont listen to fans, many felt sold out from ME1 to ME2 for the casual market, then you have people who buy it new, turns out PS3 gets a better deal. Same with how many see DA2 going against many fans wishes, by making you a human and dialouge wheels. BW dosent seem to care about fans, just itself.
i think BW must have plenty of fans who are happy about the decisions they mak n feel catered for, otherwise their games wouldn't sell in the volume they do
ME2 sold alot less than ME1, so they are slipping, not to mention how many people have said they wont buy another ME because of how #2 was, and people are already against changes in DA2, so they may have had a good amount of sales, but they are slipping.
Wow, shame people feel like that, i've been following them since KotOR n i've yet to be disappointed, even if I am in the minority there lol
 

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[Ya I did read it. I don't respond unless I do. And your second paragraph there is why I am bitter. There is no way we will be getting the exact same content. If it was Overlord I couldn't care less. I already bought it (still haven't played it but dammit it is there). They are going to have to do something to fill in the gap between 1 & 2 for the PS3. Which means that they are going to have to put in some sort of history that they create. My first guess would be an animated movie. The whole "hours of bonus content" thing right after they say it will be the exact same game as the originals is why I am nerd raging. Fuck I just find it pitiful everyone whines and cries oh boo hoo us poor devs then they turn around and pull something like this? Jesus do they ever stop and think for a second this could be why people pirate and buy used?
Is Bioware really doing the "boo hoo, us poor developers!" thing? I don't see it. And if you find piracy justified because a developer decides to finally port over a critically acclaimed game with a little extra content for the wait, I would feel sorry for the developers.

But piracy is a different issue (I'd love to have a PM debate on it anyway, so feel free to PM me for a discussion). We'll just have to agree to disagree since we're really going nowhere in this conversation. I still find it petty that people are complaining that the PS3 is getting a little extra content, that is still available to you regardless, after a 3 year long wait for only half the current Mass Effect universe, so that's that.
 

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[Ya I did read it. I don't respond unless I do. And your second paragraph there is why I am bitter. There is no way we will be getting the exact same content. If it was Overlord I couldn't care less. I already bought it (still haven't played it but dammit it is there). They are going to have to do something to fill in the gap between 1 & 2 for the PS3. Which means that they are going to have to put in some sort of history that they create. My first guess would be an animated movie. The whole "hours of bonus content" thing right after they say it will be the exact same game as the originals is why I am nerd raging. Fuck I just find it pitiful everyone whines and cries oh boo hoo us poor devs then they turn around and pull something like this? Jesus do they ever stop and think for a second this could be why people pirate and buy used?
Is Bioware really doing the "boo hoo, us poor developers!" thing? I don't see it. And if you find piracy justified because a developer decides to finally port over a critically acclaimed game with a little extra content for the wait, I would feel sorry for the developers.

But piracy is a different issue (I'd love to have a PM debate on it anyway, so feel free to PM me for a discussion). We'll just have to agree to disagree since we're really going nowhere in this conversation. I still find it petty that people are complaining that the PS3 is getting a little extra content, that is still available to you regardless, after a 3 year long wait for only half the current Mass Effect universe, so that's that.
I am not saying piracy is right. I am saying I understand why people would not want to drop the 70 bucks and support these companies, not just BW since BW is not the only one who does this. Rockstar has played it both ways. GTA4 was supported more then along comes RDR and all the bonuses go to PS3. Alone in the Dark used the 360 to beta test for the small price of 60 bucks. It really is a matter of respect. For the industry to survive they gotta stop playing these games.
 

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I am not saying piracy is right. I am saying I understand why people would not want to drop the 70 bucks and support these companies, not just BW since BW is not the only one who does this.
It's $60 here in US of A, so I'm assuming you're talking about price in Europe or something? That's inflation, not the developers fault, unless I got my economics completely wrong, which is likely.

Rockstar has played it both ways. GTA4 was supported more then along comes RDR and all the bonuses go to PS3.
....after a full year of GTA4 exclusive DLC on the 360 (Lost+Damned, Ballad of Gay Tony).

Like I said earlier, it's not so much fun when it happens to you.

And don't think the developers are the sole responsibilities here, Microsoft/Sony probably offered exclusivity deals for them, so get some hate towards them (I know I have with MS :p)

And remember, Alone in the Dark used the 360 to beta test for the small price of 60 bucks. It really is a matter of respect. For the industry to survive they gotta stop playing these games.
Don't care much for Alone in the Dark, but the industry is surviving just fine with the "games" like these. The general electronics industry is practically based on this; pay for the expensive TV now or wait a bit for the price to go down, while yet ANOTHER, even better, TV comes out. It's called being patient, conserving money, checking the deals, or just splurging.

You decided to buy Mass Effect 2 brand new. You decided to purchase the DLC on the spot. You decided not to wait for the price to go down, or see if there would be a GotY edition of it. You decided not to wait for the game to come out to PS3, understandably so because it took 3 fucking years for it to happen. The PS3 is not getting anything that the 360 or PC haven't already gotten, save for the introductory segment of the game sine ME1 will stay 360/PC exclusive (published by Microsoft).

You should add me on PSN, by the by, I don't think I've added you. PSNID = Jumplion.
 

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I think you are misunderstanding where I am coming from. I think it is great when a company like Bioware or anyone else supports all platforms. I am not an employee of Sony,MS, or Nintendo. Mass Effect on the PS3 is a win/win. PS3 owners get one of the best games ever and Bioware makes more money. What bothers me is this whole exclusive content bullshit. I paid the same price you are going to pay yet I have to pay more if I want Overlord but (if the rumor is true the content is Overlord) they get it for free. Which says to me "you are a fucking moron for buying it on day 1 and instead should have waited the year to find out if there would be a better version on the PS3." So I supported Mass Effect from day 1 for nothing. Infact it was detrimental for me to support them when I should have waited. But hey now I know right? Won't happen again that is for sure. Next time I'll wait and see and end up buying used. Which helps me but not Bioware.
I understand where you're coming from, but you're overlooking something. Value of everything, including money, decays over time.

For those who bought ME2 on release day, clearly the game was worth enough for them to do that. They wanted to be the ones on the forums when the devs were posting daily. They wanted to be the ones to write the first strategy guide, or debate the usefulness of AP ammo vs. Cryo ammo, or to brag that they cleared Insanity first. They wanted to be the ones with the Cerberus Network installed, who picked up Zaeed right out of the gate and used him to rescue Archangel.

In short, there is a marketing term for people like that - Early Adopters. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter] And one of the risks of adopting early is that a change can happen down the road that benefits the later adopters more than it does you.

How many people have already bought Starcraft 2? Do you honestly think there won't be a "Starcraft 2 Battlechest" containing the campaigns for all three races in one box in a few years? And do you think it won't cost less than the three separate Starcraft 2 games that will be released combined?

I answer: many people, it will, and it will. And I fully expect a number of those people to complain when Blizzard packs extra stuff into the Battlechest that they didn't get for purchasing the three campaigns individually on launch. But they have had the benefit of playing the game for all this time while the late adopters waited. That is their benefit, and yours.
 

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i thought the whole point of mass effect was a huge overarching story that continued on throught each and every game!
why not just package the first and the second game as a double bundle and sell them at full price? i would have thought that would have made more sense?
 

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squid5580 said:
I think you are misunderstanding where I am coming from. I think it is great when a company like Bioware or anyone else supports all platforms. I am not an employee of Sony,MS, or Nintendo. Mass Effect on the PS3 is a win/win. PS3 owners get one of the best games ever and Bioware makes more money. What bothers me is this whole exclusive content bullshit. I paid the same price you are going to pay yet I have to pay more if I want Overlord but (if the rumor is true the content is Overlord) they get it for free. Which says to me "you are a fucking moron for buying it on day 1 and instead should have waited the year to find out if there would be a better version on the PS3." So I supported Mass Effect from day 1 for nothing. Infact it was detrimental for me to support them when I should have waited. But hey now I know right? Won't happen again that is for sure. Next time I'll wait and see and end up buying used. Which helps me but not Bioware.
I understand where you're coming from, but you're overlooking something. Value of everything, including money, decays over time.

For those who bought ME2 on release day, clearly the game was worth enough for them to do that. They wanted to be the ones on the forums when the devs were posting daily. They wanted to be the ones to write the first strategy guide, or debate the usefulness of AP ammo vs. Cryo ammo, or to brag that they cleared Insanity first. They wanted to be the ones with the Cerberus Network installed, who picked up Zaeed right out of the gate and used him to rescue Archangel.

In short, there is a marketing term for people like that - Early Adopters. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter] And one of the risks of adopting early is that a change can happen down the road that benefits the later adopters more than it does you.

How many people have already bought Starcraft 2? Do you honestly think there won't be a "Starcraft 2 Battlechest" containing the campaigns for all three races in one box in a few years? And do you think it won't cost less than the three separate Starcraft 2 games that will be released combined?

I answer: many people, it will, and it will. And I fully expect a number of those people to complain when Blizzard packs extra stuff into the Battlechest that they didn't get for purchasing the three campaigns individually on launch. But they have had the benefit of playing the game for all this time while the late adopters waited. That is their benefit, and yours.
Yes except it will still be on the same platform. It isn't like Blizzard is favoring one over the other. And them telling us not to be early adopters by making it more attractive later doesn't help them now. If SC2 doesn't sell because everyone knows there will be a battlechest later on then what?