No one here wanted that.Lithan said:"I just wanted the damn thing to end, not really caring how."
So you and the writers have that in common.
SajuukKhar said:Again you are taking things in a Reaper existent universe and trying to use them as proof the same things would happen in a non reaper existent universe.Lithan said:Go play the Geth/Quarian missions again because you're wrong. The entire time was spent on one big guilt trip about how the Geth wanted to help the Quarians but the big mean Quarian government flipped out when it realized they were sentient and was all KILL THEM ALL. Meanwhile they're hitting themselves over the head with a hammer going "Does the creator wish me to destroy myself? How can I help?" After the Quarian shoot fleeing, surrendering and cowering geth enough times, Legion grabs a gun and enough Geth follow his lead that they defeat the Q's. Q's flee. They can't decide if they're more likely to survive by killing the Q's or not so they let them leave. Only instances of geth aggression are when some geth get indoctrinated/reprogrammed/whatever into the "heretics"... by the Reapers. And then in three when they act out of self defense and you get told at LEAST a half dozen times that if the Q's stopped shooting at them they'd never hurt a fly.
You are saying the equivalent of because humans evolved the way we did in a solar system with a yellow sun we would have evolved the same way if your sun was blue.
We wouldn't have, and using one as proof of the other isn't possible because they are different situations.
More likely it's just this.Adam Jensen said:I don't think it was a dream or hallucination or indoctrination. I think Bioware just royally fucked up. And that texture thing is just a mistake. It happens.
Except Quarrian technology is based off of The Mass Relay technology, the reapers technology, and Geth technology is based off of Quarrian technology.Lithan said:Except the reapers played no role whatsoever in the what three hundred years or so the Geth evolved in. You need to give up. Violence without purpose is illogical. The game echos this over and over and over in making the point that both EDI and geth have only been violent as a reaction. The games entire premise for the Geths existence being supremely peaceful if not forced to violence is made so blatantly clear in ME3 that you have to actually say "Ok, we get it already," after the fourth or fifth time Legion talks about how the Geth are only acting in self defense, or shows you a video of them offering to surrender and be deactivated to prevent conflict. This has nothing to do with the reapers forcing people to band together. In Mass Effect, AI's stand to gain nothing from violence, so they are nonviolent unless forced to defend themselves. The game could not possibly make this any more clear. And then in the last scene it goes OH MY GOD THE ROBOTS WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND RAPE YOUR FACE!
You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity. And if you think that rudamentary VI technology (which geth were designed to be, then they gained complexity through networking) would be derived from FTL travel tech, well then you should go back to school.SajuukKhar said:Except Quarrian technology is based off of The Mass Relay technology, the reapers technology, and Geth technology is based off of Quarrian technology.Lithan said:Except the reapers played no role whatsoever in the what three hundred years or so the Geth evolved in. You need to give up. Violence without purpose is illogical. The game echos this over and over and over in making the point that both EDI and geth have only been violent as a reaction. The games entire premise for the Geths existence being supremely peaceful if not forced to violence is made so blatantly clear in ME3 that you have to actually say "Ok, we get it already," after the fourth or fifth time Legion talks about how the Geth are only acting in self defense, or shows you a video of them offering to surrender and be deactivated to prevent conflict. This has nothing to do with the reapers forcing people to band together. In Mass Effect, AI's stand to gain nothing from violence, so they are nonviolent unless forced to defend themselves. The game could not possibly make this any more clear. And then in the last scene it goes OH MY GOD THE ROBOTS WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND RAPE YOUR FACE!
So you are just plain wrong in saying the reaper didn't influence the Geth technologically.
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also as I pointed out the Geth would only start the war after organics continued to harass them, defending oneself from agress is not pointless, so your argument falls apart right there.
No, I never once said that Reaper Technology was used in the creation of the geth. I said reaper tech influenced Quarrian tech and Quarrian tech influenced Geth tech. Next time dont make up things about what I said.Lithan said:You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity.
And you should read my first post. Obviously the presumption is that at some point there will have to be organics that don't seek ceaselessly to destroy their creations. Hard to fathom not wanting to do that, I know, but surely some would be able to resist that urge to create life and then destroy it. I mean not every parent drowns their child at birth... granted most do, but still.
Except that doesn't make any sense at all. That's like saying that reaper tech influenced Toothbrush tech because toothbrushes were made by civilizations that had access to the relays.SajuukKhar said:No, I never once said that Reaper Technology was used in the creation of the geth. I said reaper tech influenced Quarrian tech and Quarrian tech influenced Geth tech.Lithan said:You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity.
And you should read my first post. Obviously the presumption is that at some point there will have to be organics that don't seek ceaselessly to destroy their creations. Hard to fathom not wanting to do that, I know, but surely some would be able to resist that urge to create life and then destroy it. I mean not every parent drowns their child at birth... granted most do, but still.
Its pathetically funny...SajuukKhar said:I love how desperate fans are to invalidate the entire point of the game series so they can ride off into the sunset with their space-waifus.
At first it was funny
Then it got pathetic
Now its funny again.
In a very strange, twisted sort of way, that makes some sense. And personally, I hope sometime soon, Bioware either pops up after a little while and goes, "Yep. That was our plan, so get ready for some kick-ass DLC or a patch so you can really see the outcome!", or simply takes that opportunity and runs with it. I can see a lot of posts of people simply going "People whining for their space-waifus/husbandos! Get over it, its a great downer ending!", but the fact is, the ending, taken as it is without looking into it as you have, was unsatisfactory and invalidates everything my Shepard and countless other Shepards have done, not only in previous games, but in the preparation against the Reapers. I don't care if Shepard dies, but I do care how my Shepard dies.Turtleboy1017 said:*very-interesting-theory-snip*
Except there is a very large difference in that spaceship, mass effect drives, and mass effect based weapons ALL come from the Mas Relay technology.Lithan said:Except that doesn't make any sense at all. That's like saying that reaper tech influenced Toothbrush tech because toothbrushes were made by civilizations that had access to the relays.
The Geth stopped being that a long time ago, and have evolved, and have used the Mass Relays and have ships and weapons that use Mass Effect fields.Lithan said:And which of those things existed in the helper/agriculture robots with a wireless networking system designed to increase processing power?
Hell real world technology is damn close to building what the Geth started as. Saying that there was any reason whatsoever to start stuffing parts of mysterious space stations that let you leap across the galaxy into a robot designed to harvest your wheat is grasping pretty hard for straws.
Yes because Mass effect engines, mass effect gun and other Mass effect based weapons which arell come from Reaper tech and are all used by the gun means they havent used Reaper tech?Lithan said:I think you've backtracked sufficiently that I don't need to prove you wrong anymore.
Theres nothing in any way shape or form that implies in even the weakest sense that geth processes prior to the reaper upgrades in ME3 utilize reaper tech, or anything derived from reaper tech, or anything derived from anything derived from reaper tech.
You accuse these guys wanting it all to be a dream of grasping at straws... you're far far worse than they are. The ending makes no sense because the Devs got lazy, rushed or stupid. It's that simple. At least their delusion is motivated out of wishing for something better. Yours is just wanting to be right.
I suggest you stop giving a toss about proving him wrong.Lithan said:I think you've backtracked sufficiently that I don't need to prove you wrong anymore.
Theres nothing in any way shape or form that implies in even the weakest sense that geth processes prior to the reaper upgrades in ME3 utilize reaper tech, or anything derived from reaper tech, or anything derived from anything derived from reaper tech.
You accuse these guys wanting it all to be a dream of grasping at straws... you're far far worse than they are. The ending makes no sense because the Devs got lazy, rushed or stupid. It's that simple. At least their delusion is motivated out of wishing for something better. Yours is just wanting to be right.