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"This stuff", i.e. income tax, in Washington hasn't been up for a public referendum because it needs the supermajority votes first. Don't deflect back to California because you made a hilariously bad argument on every level about taxes in Washington
Both the those things I mentioned are perfectly equal, it's both on the voters in each state. The Washington supermajority tax thing has been up to vote (to keep or get rid of it) by the citizens and the citizens keep voting to keep it in place (even democratic voters are overall for keeping that tax supermajority law in place). Same thing with California, the citizens keep voting to stop anything but single family housing in their neighborhoods.

So you prefer policy that's functionally worse (as Republican tax policy is outside of a single state) just so long as the legislators are honest?

Dunno man, I'd just prefer policy that's less awful.
When you add up all the policies. red states aren't post-apocalyptic barren wasteland that you all make them out to be. Usually the policies there actually help minorities more than blue states because cost of living is simply cheaper and it's easier for people to buy houses and such.
 

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When you add up all the policies. red states aren't post-apocalyptic barren wasteland that you all make them out to be. Usually the policies there actually help minorities more than blue states because cost of living is simply cheaper and it's easier for people to buy houses and such.
Man, you really want to shift off tax and onto house prices, don't you? Is that because the tax angle was such a bust?
 

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Both the those things I mentioned are perfectly equal, it's both on the voters in each state. The Washington supermajority tax thing has been up to vote (to keep or get rid of it) by the citizens and the citizens keep voting to keep it in place (even democratic voters are overall for keeping that tax supermajority law in place).
It's a constitutional amendment, what are you on about? Name one actual time it's been up for a vote. Or are you just assuming it has?
 

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The Washington supermajority tax thing has been up to vote (to keep or get rid of it) by the citizens and the citizens keep voting to keep it in place (even democratic voters are overall for keeping that tax supermajority law in place).
But this isn't remotely the same thing.

A supermajority vote may prevent a law being passed that the people want. But that doesn't necessarily mean they'll scrap the supermajority vote, because they have to weigh that decision against the possibility of all sorts of other laws being more easily passed that they don't want.
 

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But this isn't remotely the same thing.

A supermajority vote may prevent a law being passed that the people want. But that doesn't necessarily mean they'll scrap the supermajority vote, because they have to weigh that decision against the possibility of all sorts of other laws being more easily passed that they don't want.
I think he's conflating the rules for changing a constitutional amendment (which is preventing the implementation of an income tax) with a law that Washington conservatives passed that made *any* attempt to raise taxes require a supermajority vote...which was blocked by the Washington Supreme Court for being unconstitutional

In fairness, if you aren't a close reader, that *is* moderately confusing, especially consider that Washington Republicans then passed a similar law that requires a supermajority vote for certain new taxes in the lower house only, violating the spirit but not the raw language of the Washington constitution

 
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Once again putting this thread back on top. Can you please stop arguing about things that have nothing to do with this? Phoenix doesn't give a damn and we all know this.

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Man, you really want to shift off tax and onto house prices, don't you? Is that because the tax angle was such a bust?
Housing prices were in the video... Ir's a more important issue than taxes, it's just that taxes were earlier in the video. Democrats are supposed to be for helping the disadvantaged correct? Then why are they so bad at it and red states don't even try and do better?


It's a constitutional amendment, what are you on about? Name one actual time it's been up for a vote. Or are you just assuming it has?
Voters have enacted or reaffirmed the two-thirds vote requirement for tax increases four times: 1993, 1998, 2007, and again in 2010.

Probably again since as the source was from 2011.

But this isn't remotely the same thing.

A supermajority vote may prevent a law being passed that the people want. But that doesn't necessarily mean they'll scrap the supermajority vote, because they have to weigh that decision against the possibility of all sorts of other laws being more easily passed that they don't want.
Initiative 1053, for example, was just for supermajority for tax changes and nothing else.
 

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Housing prices were in the video... Ir's a more important issue than taxes, it's just that taxes were earlier in the video. Democrats are supposed to be for helping the disadvantaged correct? Then why are they so bad at it and red states don't even try and do better?
OK, but you originally made a series of claims about tax. As soon as you acknowledge that (as your own source says) Republican states are more regressive, and the states that tax the rich least are Republican, then I'll be happy to move onto Housing prices.

But if you refuse to acknowledge that, then there's not much point, is there? You'd just refuse to acknowledge any point anyone made on housing, too.
 

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Voters have enacted or reaffirmed the two-thirds vote requirement for tax increases four times: 1993, 1998, 2007, and again in 2010.

Probably again since as the source was from 2011.
Neat. And what was the source?

And cut it out with the fucking "probably"s