*massive spoilers* Fallout3: The Pitt, Moral Dilemma

[antipunt]

*spoilers*

Post your thoughts about the Pitt's ending: which ending would you choose and why?

These are my thoughts: 'Man, this is -freaking hard-!'

I honestly don't know what to do. Both sides are equally difficult for me, because I want to do the 'right thing'

Option A) Stealing the baby (issues)

1. You've stolen a baby from an incredibly nice mother (who will probably be murdered by slaves)
2. Ashur is trying to find a cure for radiation and both parents are willing to sacrifice their own daughter as an experimental subject
3. Tapes reveal the father actually cares about his cause, and doesn't like the idea of slaves, but deals with it for the 'greater good'
4. Ashur claims that slavery will 'stop' once the cure is found
5. Werner is 'playing you'; he was an ex who failed a coup, and now wants revenge. If you choose the other ending, you find out he doesn't care for anybody, even the slaves. He also detests the baby (AKA: the 'brat'), so it's questionable whether or not she'll be safe...
6. Medea is somewhat unlikable...
7. One user once said: 'a slave might just be a raider without a gun' (raider potential). This especially makes sense considering that a lot of Ashur's goonies used to be slaves?

Option B) Leaving the baby (issues)

1. The raiders are complete *********s.
2. The slaves are still...slaves. Their treatment is pretty horrible (tied to #1)
3. There is no guarantee slavery will stop once the cure is found. Ashur may be assassinated. Just in general, leaving so much power in the hands of raiders is potential-dangerous for the future. Ashur may have trouble convincing the Raiders to 'stop' if he's still alive when the time comes.
4. It is possible that cure-research can continue without the use of slaves/Ashur's wife

Let the debate begin!

 

[Hazy]

Steal the Baby for the Good Karma, thats what I did.

 

[SmilingKitsune]

Honestly I side with Ashur, I mean look at what the man has acheived, he's mannaged to build a city out of the ruins, secured it against the outside and actually started rebuilding rather than simply picking clean the bones of the world.
Yes he uses forced labour, but face it, how much better is life in the wastes? Sometimes you have to make questionable decisions to serve the greater good.
Once the cure is worked out, Ashur has no reson to with hold it from the slaves, healthier workers are better workers after all, so while they will still be slaves, once the cure is around and they can produce offspring again, they will have no need to enslave more people.
Ashur is the reason the Pitt thrived, and who's to say Werner or Midea would be even remotely suited to the task of rulling an entire city?

That's just the way I see it, and they did purposely make the decision very grey, either way you're taking risks.

 

[Flour]

I enjoyed killing every slave I had to and I had a very special MIRV treatment for Werner.(took a few tries but managed not to kill myself)


Part of this is because the karma system is fucked. Why is stealing a child and having it raised by the people who basically killed the parents a good action? Also, why is killing a few slaves and leaving them in slavery worth the same amount of karma as about 40 fingers?(it took me that much to get back to a very good karma level)

 

[antipunt]

A thing kind of killing me is that I want slaves to be free and I find it just kind of nasty to let the raiders push the slaves around (unnecessarily). Ashur really needs to reeducate his force...

THAT said, however, I just can't get around the idea of Werner and Medea. Both of them are so freaking unlikable. Man, Werner is the worst, and Medea, ehh, she's not all that perfect either.

 

[The Shade]

I took Ashur at his word when he said that the slaves would be free once the cure was found. For that, I left the "cure" with him. I could not, in good conscience, deprive that poor woman (Ashur's wife. You know? The only person not covered in soot in all of Pittsburgh?) of her infant.

The slaves will just have to deal with it. They've put up with it this long. They can wait a little longer.

You gotta hand it to the developers, though. That was one solid bit of writing to lay a decision like that before the audience, and to have that big of a moral dilemma rise out of it. As the OP has pointed out, it was genuinely hard to figure out which path to take. Good show, Bethesda. Good show.

 

[Balaxe]

I helped Ashur because it seemed like the right choice (even if I needed to kill a few slaves/Werner to get there). Even if it did lower my karma my karma was so it it did'nt make a different.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Here's your solution:

Kill Ashur, his wife, Midea, Wehrner, every slave and slaver in the city and leave the baby to rot.

Might take a bit of a karma hit but hey...

 

[pha kin su pah]

I went with the "your treating the slaves poorly" he shot at me, and well i just capped everybody with a gun.

I didn't even know that was his wife until i was searching the terminal over her rotting corpse.

Medea treats the baby nicely anyway.

 

[elricik]

I had the same moral problem. I was trying to play the good guy (for a change) then this question comes up. At first I was like "No Way." Because the obvious thing to do was to leave the baby there because taking him would be evil. But then I started thinking, "The needs of one over the needs of many." And I eventually took the baby. I mean it was for the greater good.

 

[Kurokami]

I think i killed both sides, then continued to kill everyone and declare myself ruler of the... well... cinders of what used to be DC.

 

[rdesjardin]

I was very perplexed at how leaving the baby was morrally wrong. The mum was in no way trying to hurt the child, even took precautions to prevent harm to the baby. And since Ashur was an EX-BOS I'd have thought that he still be trustable. When i went to stop werner, the medical facility was very dirty, unsuitable for experimentation, and referd to the child as a brat. Ashur wants to help everyone and doesnt want to use slave labour, but has to. Werner seems to want to kill the baby and sell its blood as a cure. Ill definitly say though, that it was a very ambigious choice to make, not clear cut, unlike many other attempts at moral choices
*infa cough cough *mous cough cough

 

[antipunt]

I was very perplexed at how leaving the baby was morrally wrong.

It's mainly the slaves, tbqh (though I slightly lean to Ashur). My brother just keeps complaining about the slaves: the jackass raiders, their horrible conditions, etc.

If you leave the baby, you're condemned with the guilt of essentially 'betraying' your fellow slaves to the harsh Raiders. Honestly, they should've implemented an option to 'talk with Ashur about the slaves' treatment'. If they had that one option, it would've been Ashur all the way (but I have a feeling Bethesda did this on purpose, the meanies!)

 

[boag]

Here's your solution:

Kill Ashur, his wife, Midea, Wehrner, every slave and slaver in the city and leave the baby to rot.

Might take a bit of a karma hit but hey...

thats what I ended up doing in the end, cause everyone was a dick and an asshole, I just decided to put everyone out of their misery.

I wish I could have kept the baby to raise it as my own.

 

[wintercoat]

Wow...there's a lesson for ya folks. Murdering a bunch of slaves is fine to talk about, but cannibalizing a baby is too far. Bringing up the atrocities you commit during that there questline in Skyrim is okay(mind you, it includes cannibalism), talking about installing a mod and murdering all of Little Lamplight is fine. But mention eating a baby and prepare for a warning, cuz you've gone too far!

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? You've got MiracleofSound saying he kills everyone and leaves the baby to rot, but eating the baby is going to far? Sure, it was a rather tasteless joke, but is it really much worse than the other crimes against humanity that people talk about in Fallout threads?

 

[ChupathingyX]

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? You've got MiracleofSound saying he kills everyone and leaves the baby to rot, but eating the baby is going to far? Sure, it was a rather tasteless joke, but is it really much worse than the other crimes against humanity that people talk about in Fallout threads?

I believe the warning was for neco'ing an almost 3 year old thread.

 

[wintercoat]

Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? You've got MiracleofSound saying he kills everyone and leaves the baby to rot, but eating the baby is going to far? Sure, it was a rather tasteless joke, but is it really much worse than the other crimes against humanity that people talk about in Fallout threads?

I believe the warning was for neco'ing an almost 3 year old thread.

I've never seen anyone get a warning for necro'ing.

 

[ChupathingyX]

I've never seen anyone get a warning for necro'ing.

Here's a recent example...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.240056-Sengoku-Basara-Samurai-Heroes-Multi-Platform-Review#14492592

It happens every now and then.