Meat eaters should have to kill for their food.

[the27thvoice]

I was expecting this thread to be an entirely impractical request like you should kill every meal with your own hands. Even thought of snapping back with a suggestion that everyone on the internet should have welded their own circuit boards.

But yeah, the suggestion of killing an animal to see what's involved might have recruited some people to your cause. Personally I believe I would have no problem slaughtering a pig or cow. I did go vegetarian for half a year at some point, but that was more of a personal challenge to see if I could do it. I'm rather of the opinion that animals should be treated well in life, but that slaughtering and eating them is both OK and yummy.

 

[WolfThomas]

I prefer being hypocritical over going out in the woods and kill even more animals. Think about it, every time someone hunts and kills an animal for food, it dies in vain because he could as well have bought meat of an already butchered animal. Maybe the hunter unterstands the implications of his meal, maybe not... but that won't help little Bambi!!

Especially seeings as I'm coming back in a few years for and his ten-point rack!

Joking aside, were I live (Australia) introduced animals are destroying the local ecosystem and causing the destruction of local fauna and flora. So I have no qualms shooting wild deer (with a permit), pigs, rabbits, foxes, dogs, camels, goats and many more.

I'd never harm native animals, except Kangaroos (again with a permit) which are overpopulating in some areas due to more grazing lands and a very effective system of having three babies at different stages at once (teat, pouch, uterus). That's for their own good.

I'd eat alot of what I'd shoot especially rabbit, kangaroo and hopefully one of these days some venison. It's good underrated meat.

 

[Azure9]

I agree that everyone should probably have to kill at least one thing and then make it into a steak, but not for every meal. Just... too impractical. Regardless, the levels of meat consumption in the country need to come down (although I'm very far from a vegetarian).

I agree that the levels of meat consumption should go down but that is more a population problem then a vegetarian vs meat eater problem.

There are only two ways to solve the population problem and nethier is going to happen. Ethier the U.S. becomes like china and says you can only have 2 kids or you would need to spade or neuter your pet human today. lol bob barker quote but any way yea forced vasectomy or tubetieing.

 

[Bags159]

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If I drive my car, should I have to go to a car manufacturing company?
When I use gas, should I go to an oil refinery?

Etc.

Stupid argument is stupid.

 

[Racecarlock]

Who the hell are you to tell me how to feel and eat? I should be able to eat meat without someone bitching to me about it. I like meat, i'll keep eating meat. And chips. And cheetos. And whatever the hell else I want!

 

[Calbeck]

I don't grind my own wheat for bread, either. And yet a plant had to die for it.

I am such a hypocrite. *eyerolls*

 

[TheFinalFantasyWolf]

Wow, you are such a hypocrite.

Did you even think this through or are you that blinded by your own self-rightousness?
Ha, and I wouldn't want the "respect" of a moron anyway. You keep your "respect" and I'll keep up with society and logical thinking. XD

 

[Monsterfurby]

While it's not practical in modern times to slaughter your evening meal every day, everyone who eats meat should kill for their food at least once. If you can bring yourself to kill for food, then you have a stronger will than I do, and I have (almost) no problem with you eating meat. If you refuse to kill a cow, but demand 1$ Jr. Double Cheeseburgers, you're a hypocrite in denial, and I have no respect for you.

So.. what exactly is the question you want answered? Why would anyone put a statement out there just waiting for people to complain about it?

You know, I see where you're coming from, I follow your argument, and while it's somewhat logical, I can't help but wonder why on earth you would *care* about what this forum has to say about it, especially if you just state something. I do not think that division of labour is a bad thing (i.e. having specialists to process food as opposed to me violently botching up slitting some poor pig's throat) and, although I would be willing and able to kill something I would consequently eat, I don't see how everyone going out and, with their untrained hands, trying to kill some poor animal benefits society.

What you are trying to say reeks of self-righteousness and the need to get attention and personal acknowledgement. While that is pretty much the reason of everything posted on this forum, your post is essentially trolling. You did win, though, as I just responded to this, but keep in mind that a good forum post could use a question of some kind to keep people from rambling on about something.

Edit: Also, I'm avoiding the obvious "Trolls should have to moderate at least one forum" here. D'oh!

 

[RuralGamer]

But, by that logic, you should have to go out and gather/graze for your vegetables, fruits and cereals from the wild because today, we don't grow them, we manufacture them on an industrial scale in fields, using pesticides, artificial fertilisers and genetically modified strains. Heck, you may not even be growing them in a field any more. Also by that logic though, you are often killing a plant as well. From where I see it (so you may not), vegetarians and vegans who are anti-everyone-else-eating-meat don't have a leg to stand on because they are basically doing the same thing, substituting plants for animals and claiming its completely different.

In defence of such practices(for both meat and plant), hunting and gathering is not plausible in societies where people number more people than square kilometres, so we have no choice but to "manufacture" them.

I don't really get where the OP is coming from, but then again, I'm not a vegetarian, never have been and never really want to be as I rather enjoy my meat. Admittedly I've never actually killed my own meal before, I have seen how a slaughterhouse works and though I did feel a bit queasy at that time, it didn't put me off meat one bit. I regard it as a necessary evil, so to speak.

 

[Argol228]

It's a proven fact that no meat shrinks the brain. so I never take stock in what vegans say. their brains aren't working to standards.

Also what makes killing an animal different to killing a plant? they are both living things and plants are still alive when you are munching on them.

 

[Thundero13]

Yes, I agree, you are right, you, right person, Halelujah, nothing else really to say...
I guess, i'm a vegetarian, and I do think of meat as a dead animal, hence the main reason I don't eat meat, also I was raised that way and by now my body would probably just reject meat...

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

While it's not practical in modern times to slaughter your evening meal every day, everyone who eats meat should kill for their food at least once. If you can bring yourself to kill for food, then you have a stronger will than I do, and I have (almost) no problem with you eating meat. If you refuse to kill a cow, but demand 1$ Jr. Double Cheeseburgers, you're a hypocrite in denial, and I have no respect for you.

So.. what exactly is the question you want answered? Why would anyone put a statement out there just waiting for people to complain about it?

You know, I see where you're coming from, I follow your argument, and while it's somewhat logical, I can't help but wonder why on earth you would *care* about what this forum has to say about it, especially if you just state something. I do not think that division of labour is a bad thing (i.e. having specialists to process food as opposed to me violently botching up slitting some poor pig's throat) and, although I would be willing and able to kill something I would consequently eat, I don't see how everyone going out and, with their untrained hands, trying to kill some poor animal benefits society.

What you are trying to say reeks of self-righteousness and the need to get attention and personal acknowledgement. While that is pretty much the reason of everything posted on this forum, your post is essentially trolling. You did win, though, as I just responded to this, but keep in mind that a good forum post could use a question of some kind to keep people from rambling on about something.

I kind of thought the question of "Do you agree or disagree with this argument and in what ways?" was kind of implied. I was honestly hoping for a legitimate discussion on the meat industry, consumer education, and the consequences of purchasing decisions.

Poor execution on my part. My bad...

 

[Frybird]

Don't care about Animals, so yeah, what DOES it mean to kill an animal for food?

Once there are no humans suffering under War, Famine or Low Life Standards on this earth, i might start thinking about the moral implications on eating a cheeseburger.

Until then, sincerly, a good "meh" to you

 

[alandavidson]

Look, I've killed animals for food. But I look at my mom, and I know that she can't fire a gun, let alone kill an animal. She just doesn't have it in her. But am I going to say "sorry mom, you can't kill an animal, so you're not worthy of eating meat". Not going to happen.

 

[Rule Britannia]

TROLLING BELOW

Ok so I get you want people to understand that animals have to be killed in one way or another and that a person should understand the process that it undergoes but like many of people have said that's like asking me to make make guitar strings... or you to east your own vegetables at least once (<---this actually seems quite probable...).

 

[nicholaxxx]

If I had access to a butcher to clean it after I killed it, along with access to said animals to begin with, I would be more than happy to kill my own meat.

 

[Appleshampoo]

But if we didn't kill animals for food then we'd be overrun by them and we'd probably be at the bottom of the food chain due to so many damn animals all over the place.

Plus they need to stop being so good for our diets and stop tasting so damn good!

OT - I would hunt an animal if I could, but living in Britland it's a pain in the ass and not worth it. Or not allowed, not sure.

 

[Karma168]

Many pro-meat advocates say that humans are omnivores and eating animals is part of the "circle of life", and I agree with this to an extent. The problem with this is that in the industrial age, we don't raise or prey on animals as much as we manufacture them. I know a lot of (usually female) people who say they'd never kill a chicken or a cow, yet they eat meat regularly. This is because they don't think of their burgers or chicken sandwiches as animals that were killed; instead, they think of them as delicious, cheap food that might have involved an animal at some point, "but it's already dead, so it's best not to think about it."

This is true of a lot of animal products. I was watching a show about animal by-products (i.e leather) and the people in the show were taken through the entire process, from slaughter to shelves. A lot of the people remarked that when they were shown the final product they did not associate it with an animal, even though they had seen where it had come from.

OT: I'm not that fussed, i'm not squeamish so i'm not fussed about killing/butchering an animal for food.

 

[Vandy]

This is necessary...

 

[Lost In The Void]

Alright done; I've killed an animal to prove consequence to having food; and I'm fine with that; I like eating beef, or any wild game; tell you what though; if you can live off completely what you grow yourself, I will do the same; its the least I can do