Megaupload Founder Claims Many U.S. Government Users
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I can just hear the election teams salivating from here on any chance to get a hold of that info.Andy Chalk said:
Actually, rest assured there will be plenty of denying going on if this goes to trial in the US. It's not so much the question of illegal files being moved through the site, instead as to whether MegaUpload made money off of them. There could very well be a large enough gray area to this to constitute circumstantial evidence that any competent defense lawyer could tear to pieces.Andy Chalk said:
Anybody crying foul about Dotcom getting extradited might be looking at this the wrong way. If he gets exonerated, this will change a lot of trial law around copyright and trademark infringement.
Whether that is a good or a bad thing remains to be seen. Even if it is a bad thing, it still lies at the feet of the big bosses like the RIAA, MPAA, and such which made such a corrupted entity like the copyright and trademark system. Copyright and trademark is supposed to serve the creator directly, not the shareholders or CEO's who contributed NOTHING to the creation of the work, and only siphoned off more than their deserved share of the profits.
I do think that takedown of a whole site because of illegal use by some is wrong.
Law enforcement also doesn't close down all the roads just because one-in-ten users of the roads are criminals.
They might close a road down for a few days if a body was found on the road. But the road isn't suddenly inaccessable forever to legitimate users of the road.
Regardless of wether anythying wrong was happening on megauploads servers, these rigoreus takedown practises are the reason people are against SOPA. Even on this page in avatars and whatnot is 'pirated' material the moment views on what constitutes fair-use change.
Law enforcement also doesn't close down all the roads just because one-in-ten users of the roads are criminals.
They might close a road down for a few days if a body was found on the road. But the road isn't suddenly inaccessable forever to legitimate users of the road.
Regardless of wether anythying wrong was happening on megauploads servers, these rigoreus takedown practises are the reason people are against SOPA. Even on this page in avatars and whatnot is 'pirated' material the moment views on what constitutes fair-use change.
What? The two media cartels that locked American productions in censorship and held artists' careers hostage with threats of black listing are...AFRAID OF COMPETITION?The_root_of_all_evil said:
Thats awesome that his name is dotcom, though I cant imagine all the jokes he had made at the expense of it.
...Interesting. Yes...it's almost like someone knew this would happen...
Oh, right. We did. Not all torrent files are illegal downloads, as it turns out. It also happens to be a fantastic way for organizations, businesses, bureaus, and the developers of visual novels about dating disabled girls to share their files among their clients, partners, employees, and curious internet browsers. But heavens forbid someone from the media companies hear about this novel idea. Nope, all torrents are evil, they say.
Oh, right. We did. Not all torrent files are illegal downloads, as it turns out. It also happens to be a fantastic way for organizations, businesses, bureaus, and the developers of visual novels about dating disabled girls to share their files among their clients, partners, employees, and curious internet browsers. But heavens forbid someone from the media companies hear about this novel idea. Nope, all torrents are evil, they say.
If you don't thing that someone with 7 convictions for spread out over a 20 years period might not indicated a pattern, then I'm Nigerian prince who needs to get money out of the country. All you need do is send me your bank account details ....LZeroK said:
The ones that patented all the technology that allows artists to freely broadcast and denies them access to it? It sounds crazy, but it might just be true. Either that or little John boy is stuck down the well again.Atmos Duality said:
Thats quite a horribly biased article. I get that the Escapist is all "rawr piracy smash" but this is just sad.
That describes the entire fucking wall st. I dont see their doors kicked down in dawn raids by antiterrorist forces.albino boo said:
Small but rather important point, the convictions are for offences in Germany. Guess what, they did do a dawn raid for the largest insider trading case in German history. Of course that would require knowing something rather than mindlessly parroting the latest fashionable opinion amongst all the cool kids. I'm sick and tried of the mindless because X is like that then its ok x rob, lie, cheat and steal.Logarithmic Limbo said:
I didn't use megaupload for copyright infringement. Apparently I'm in the minority, but I used it for porn and for rar's full of information (infographics and the like).
Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Megaupload actually take down files that were reported as copywritten? As in, exactly what Rapidshare and other sites do?
Even then, why the FUCK is the FBI extraditing people from New Zealand to face a trial in the United States? I wish New Zealand would have had the balls to tell the US where to shove it. (I'm American, btw, and our government is policing the world way too hard).
Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Megaupload actually take down files that were reported as copywritten? As in, exactly what Rapidshare and other sites do?
Even then, why the FUCK is the FBI extraditing people from New Zealand to face a trial in the United States? I wish New Zealand would have had the balls to tell the US where to shove it. (I'm American, btw, and our government is policing the world way too hard).
Ok, so what you are saying is that it is bad, unless it is done by the cunts on wall st?albino boo said:
No, he's saying two wrongs don't make a right. Just because A does it doesn't mean B should get a free ride.Logarithmic Limbo said:
What these guys need to do is find out how many users had legit content taken away and bring it up.
Hopefully they can make some sort of complaint for unlawful seizure of property or some such. I'm not very lawyer-y but you'd think they would have some grounds for complaint.
That is exactly my point. Back to my original question, why isnt antiterrorist teams kicking down doors on wall st? Instead I get some hipster shit thrown in my face. What gets me so riled is the hypocracy of the Corporate States of America, wielding the best justice system money can buy as a privately owned hit squad, enforcing laws outside its own jurisdiction.Qitz said:
Members of Wall Street have been arrested, for inside trading no less. one case here [http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wall-Street-Insider-Trading-Slimeball-Activity-139098599.html] even says there's some 60 people being charged by the FBI. Back in Feb. 2012.Logarithmic Limbo said:
Everyone may not be being snatched off the streets because of it, but they aren't just going "Ha, we got $1mil from insider trading and no-ones doing nothing."
As for the raid, yeah that was pretty overblown, but then New Zealand is as much to blame for that as anyone but there were reports around that he was found with a couple of sawn-off shotguns so that could be why, if true. It does stick of US dick waving but so long as other countries keep letting us get away with it, it's not going to stop.
