metal gear solid 2 story??? o_o

[de5gravity]

Hello world!

I made an account just for this, because I believe I can get the answer to my question here. I've never played the game but I've watched the playthrough on chipandironics.com and I don't think I understand at all what happens.

The colonel is fake? rose too? are they in a video game?? is raiden even real??? WTF IS GOING ON???

After extensive googling, all i know is that the game is "postmodern" whatever that means (tvtropes has a confusing explanation) and I still don't understand what is going on.

So could anyone pleeeease explain to me what happens? I would be ever so grateful. Thank you.

PS: I apologize if this is not the right section for this question

 

[verindae]

lol the entire Metal Gear Solid story arc involves pretty much all of the metal gear games, and the story in MGS2 is as batshit as all of them. Basically Raiden, Rose and Campbell are real, but Raiden's infiltration of the Big Shell was orchestrated by the Patriots and their AI system, only one of which is referred to in MGS2 (it's called GW) which is located inside Arsenal Gear under the Big Shell.

All of Raiden's training was also orchestrated by the Patriots, they used him to go after Solidus because he was a former child soldier involved with him iirc.... you know what, this could take a long time to explain because there's so many plot twists and half truths that don't get explained fully till MGS4 that it might be easier if you just play the game several times, and then play all the other games as well lol

 

[PlasmaFrog]

Colonel, Rose, and a couple of select others are all part of a simulation. Raiden is real, so is Snake.

That's the whole purpose of that stage, to confuse the hell out of you.

Fission Mailed.

 

[de5gravity]

Verindae: I only own a PC so i unfortunately can not do that that's why i was hoping i could get explanations here, because i get so confused when I read about it online >.<

 

[de5gravity]

EternalNothingness: oh wow that game is so deep! And what about the parts where the colonel tells Raiden to power off the console! and to stop playing the game!

 

[scar_47]

okay it is confusing but I'll give it a shot The whole big shell incadent really did happened but it was all staged to test the AI GW's ability to handle and manipulate data by creating a scenario similar to what happened on shadow moses ing metal gear solid, the patriots whom were conducting the test of GW also wanted to see why solid snake had always prevailed was it his gene's or training? So thats why they sent in Raiden as an analouge of what snake was when he was sent on his first mission. The colonel is just an IA controlled by or part of GW thats meant to guide you through the exercise much like the real colonel did for snake, Rose is real but was an agent of the patriots sent to keep an eye on Jack aka Raiden but ends up falling for him. thats a pretty brief overview and a lot of what happens takes a few playthroughs to get straight and much of it doesn't makes sense until you've played through metal gear solid 4.

 

[Nomanslander]

Yeah, that was the title that killed MGS for me, forever.
-_-

 

[Scott Guthrie]

okay it is confusing but I'll give it a shot The whole big shell incadent really did happened but it was all staged to test the AI GW's ability to handle and manipulate data by creating a scenario similar to what happened on shadow moses ing metal gear solid, the patriots whom were conducting the test of GW also wanted to see why solid snake had always prevailed was it his gene's or training? So thats why they sent in Raiden as an analouge of what snake was when he was sent on his first mission. The colonel is just an IA controlled by or part of GW thats meant to guide you through the exercise much like the real colonel did for snake, Rose is real but was an agent of the patriots sent to keep an eye on Jack aka Raiden but ends up falling for him. thats a pretty brief overview and a lot of what happens takes a few playthroughs to get straight and much of it doesn't makes sense until you've played through metal gear solid 4.

woah woah my friend. the rose in raidens mission wasn't she part of the GW simulation??

 

[Avatar Roku]

EternalNothingness: oh wow that game is so deep! And what about the parts where the colonel tells Raiden to power off the console! and to stop playing the game!

That was just the MGS serie's long standing tradition of breaking the fourth wall. They did that with Psycho Mantis in MGS1 too, for example.

 

[Avatar Roku]

okay it is confusing but I'll give it a shot The whole big shell incadent really did happened but it was all staged to test the AI GW's ability to handle and manipulate data by creating a scenario similar to what happened on shadow moses ing metal gear solid, the patriots whom were conducting the test of GW also wanted to see why solid snake had always prevailed was it his gene's or training? So thats why they sent in Raiden as an analouge of what snake was when he was sent on his first mission. The colonel is just an IA controlled by or part of GW thats meant to guide you through the exercise much like the real colonel did for snake, Rose is real but was an agent of the patriots sent to keep an eye on Jack aka Raiden but ends up falling for him. thats a pretty brief overview and a lot of what happens takes a few playthroughs to get straight and much of it doesn't makes sense until you've played through metal gear solid 4.

woah woah my friend. the rose in raidens mission wasn't she part of the GW simulation??

Nope, because he sees her in person at the end. Now, it's ambiguous whether she's the same Rose, but I like to think so. Now, the Rose that you talk to while on Arsenal Gear, THAT was a fake Rose. It's unclear whether the Colonel was also real, then fake, or fake the whole time.

 

[Scott Guthrie]

okay it is confusing but I'll give it a shot The whole big shell incadent really did happened but it was all staged to test the AI GW's ability to handle and manipulate data by creating a scenario similar to what happened on shadow moses ing metal gear solid, the patriots whom were conducting the test of GW also wanted to see why solid snake had always prevailed was it his gene's or training? So thats why they sent in Raiden as an analouge of what snake was when he was sent on his first mission. The colonel is just an IA controlled by or part of GW thats meant to guide you through the exercise much like the real colonel did for snake, Rose is real but was an agent of the patriots sent to keep an eye on Jack aka Raiden but ends up falling for him. thats a pretty brief overview and a lot of what happens takes a few playthroughs to get straight and much of it doesn't makes sense until you've played through metal gear solid 4.

woah woah my friend. the rose in raidens mission wasn't she part of the GW simulation??

Nope, because he sees her in person at the end. Now, it's ambiguous whether she's the same Rose, but I like to think so. Now, the Rose that you talk to while on Arsenal Gear, THAT was a fake Rose. It's unclear whether the Colonel was also real, then fake, or fake the whole time.

Sorry i may have worded that badly. The Rose that was Raidens codec support for the mission, i sure she was part of the GW simulation.

And the Colonel was a GW simulation it is said by Otacon. Also FOXHOUND no longer existed when the operation happened so i'm sure it is a fake Col.

 

[dagens24]

Some computer A.I. the Patriots made to censor media re-created the events of Shadow Moses island in order to test itself to see if it was ready to be brought online. The A.I. interacted with the nano-machines in Raiden's body in order to alter his perpection of events. The colonel was the A.I.. Solidus used to work for the Patriots but went rogue and tried to destroy them and the A.I.. He was a freedom fighter and Raiden is a little puppet, more or less.

 

[de5gravity]

i guess i get it a bit more than before. now i have to find a playthrough of MGS4 since I don't have a PS3. I hope chipandironicus.com has one

 

[j0frenzy]

You could just take the discontinuity approach and say that the game ends when Raiden gets knocked out and he never arrives on Arsenal Gear, but that depends on how attached you are to the plot of the whole series over the plot of just one game.
My personal understanding is that the Colonel and Rose are real. They were not the people you were talking to on the codec. Raiden has met them before, but the people he was talking to remotely were Patriot-created voices manipulating Raiden. Also that the mission actually happened. I wouldn't think that I would have to state the mission itself was real, but I have heard the interpretation before that it was all one big simulation.

 

[Eridani74]

i guess i get it a bit more than before. now i have to find a playthrough of MGS4 since I don't have a PS3. I hope chipandironicus.com has one

They're doing one right now!

 

[Turkish2]

just buy the game and play it yourself, i enjoyed the game

 

[verindae]

Verindae: I only own a PC so i unfortunately can not do that that's why i was hoping i could get explanations here, because i get so confused when I read about it online >.<

Heh fair enough, kind of a shame because you'll never truly grasp the story arc without playing them, though to be honest it's hard to wrap your head around even then. Took me a few times playing through each game to get to grips with them all both individually and as a whole.

There's a very good Anti-war/Anti-WMD message in there though, amongst the many other messages they try to convey lol

 

[himemiya1650]

It was all a computer -> someone dl'ed pr0nz -> got a virus -> was cleaned by Norton anti-virus and was running Windows ME (which is then entire part you don't understand) -> the computer then exploded.

That's seriously it, simplified.

 

[Gamblerjoe]

MGS story telling is garbage. This is common knowledge (ok, opinion) to anyone who knows anything about structured or creative writing. the MGS 2 story is just a recycling of the same story and plot twists from MGS 1. The whole time they are constantly reminding you that you are playing a video game, which is supposed to seem clever after they make you wonder if you character is just playing a game within a game. Its actually not clever at all. Its about on the same level as a long dream sequence.

 

[omega 616]

Hello world!

I made an account just for this, because I believe I can get the answer to my question here. I've never played the game but I've watched the playthrough on chipandironics.com and I don't think I understand at all what happens.

The colonel is fake? rose too? are they in a video game?? is raiden even real??? WTF IS GOING ON???

After extensive googling, all i know is that the game is "postmodern" whatever that means (tvtropes has a confusing explanation) and I still don't understand what is going on.

So could anyone pleeeease explain to me what happens? I would be ever so grateful. Thank you.

PS: I apologize if this is not the right section for this question

Trying to explain an MGS story is like trying to divide by zero, you just can't do it.

There all batshit insane but I love them all.

I will explain some terms people are throwing around that you probably won't understand.

Patriots and the illuminati, if you know who they are ... if not, there a supposed group who run everything from who is in power in the government to the price of fish.

Solidus is your brother, aka another clone of the greatest soldier to ever live.

Trying to explain the MGS story is trying to figure how many pieces of spaggheti are in a bowl. It's very hard, you only get a good idea after playing every game a few times (or if your a quick leaner twice).

They are epic games though.

MGS story telling is garbage. This is common knowledge (ok, opinion) to anyone who knows anything about structured or creative writing. the MGS 2 story is just a recycling of the same story and plot twists from MGS 1. The whole time they are constantly reminding you that you are playing a video game, which is supposed to seem clever after they make you wonder if you character is just playing a game within a game. Its actually not clever at all. Its about on the same level as a long dream sequence.

I can tell you have played this game, "The whole time they are constantly reminding you that you are playing a video game" you mean the last 20 minutes of a 10 hour game? Yeah, they really drone on that ...

Also, one is nothing like two.

I would rather have a massive convoluted story than "aliens/foreigners are invading and they must be killed" or "were going to stop the evil guy trying to destroy the world" which is just about every game made these days. Yeah, MGS is about that but it pads out it's NPC's alot more than those games and adds other stories into the game.