Michigan Man Accused of Soliciting Girls Via Xbox Live
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LOL girls on Xbox Live?thisbymaster said:
...actually come to think of it there was this one time where I could have sworn to have met a girl in Halo Reach
I kept listening carefully to see if it wasn't just a little boy but def sounded like a girl...who then promptly squash and spread me and my team around on the floor and walls like butter
but yeah as bad as his intentions may have been, actions-wise nothing...happened?
or whatever, but somehow the girls weren't exactly smart enough not to go along with it sooo
It's generally pronounced "Yip-see-lan-tee", I believe, based on what I've heard from people who go to Eastern Uni. there. That being said, we also say "Detroit" wrong, so who knows?Enkidu88 said:Ypiwhatnow? That sounds like a town you'd find in Eastern EuropeGreg Tito said:
OT: Creepy bastard. I'm surprised that they haven't thrown absolutely everything they can against him.
Well in reading this what I heard was...
He drove under age girls around, to a strip joint, but they did not go in.
He gave them sex toys
He gave them a sack full of condoms.
He is expected to turn himself in.
I am not condoning these actions. However these actions sound more like a confused young man who likely wasnt liked by girls his own age and enjoyed the attention he was getting improperly.
What I am also hearing is a group of girls who encouraged this. Honestly it is somewhat understandable. Believe it or not, Girls have a phase right around that time where they are curious about sex. Getting attention from an older, more mature, and potentially "bad" boy was prolly something they found intriguing and played along.
What he did was wrong, but make no mistake about it, regardless being tweens and early teens, the likelihood he was the only guilty party in all of this is basically zero. "not knowing any better" is used entirely too often to protect only one half of this equation.
With that said I cannot fathom these notions of orbital castration and prison rape can in any way shape or form be justified. Especially in light of the notion of turning himself in. I am disappointed to see something like this, but I am even more disappointed in seeing the down right malevolent responses.
He drove under age girls around, to a strip joint, but they did not go in.
He gave them sex toys
He gave them a sack full of condoms.
He is expected to turn himself in.
I am not condoning these actions. However these actions sound more like a confused young man who likely wasnt liked by girls his own age and enjoyed the attention he was getting improperly.
What I am also hearing is a group of girls who encouraged this. Honestly it is somewhat understandable. Believe it or not, Girls have a phase right around that time where they are curious about sex. Getting attention from an older, more mature, and potentially "bad" boy was prolly something they found intriguing and played along.
What he did was wrong, but make no mistake about it, regardless being tweens and early teens, the likelihood he was the only guilty party in all of this is basically zero. "not knowing any better" is used entirely too often to protect only one half of this equation.
With that said I cannot fathom these notions of orbital castration and prison rape can in any way shape or form be justified. Especially in light of the notion of turning himself in. I am disappointed to see something like this, but I am even more disappointed in seeing the down right malevolent responses.
Can we possibly bring these charges against the cardinals, bishops and other pedophiles within the Catholic/Christian hierarchy?Greg Tito said:
No doubt, the guy should face jail time. However, I wonder what he will do after his sentence is over, should he not die while serving it.
yeah really odd im not seeing anything wrong with this so far unless he did something indecent, so far all he did was the impossible and found girls on the xbox. Then probably found out that both have boy friends that they plan to be intimate with and as a good Samaritan got them condoms and vibrators so they wouldnt be known as the town sluts.thisbymaster said:
The weird thing is that as i read this the girl who played with fire is on in the next room o_oAmayaOnnaOtaku said:
I just found it a rather nice touch (No pun intended) that of COURSE someone of this nature is going to have a name like Lynch.OriginalJoeBlack said:
But yeah I hope that man gets a good humping behind bars.
Okay after reading and re-reading the opening post and the source article I think people are overreacting.
-He is not a rapist:no rape occurred
-He is not a child abuser:no child abuse occurred
What actually happened is he found some girls on XBL (like a needle in a haystack if we are going by statistics) drove them to a sex shop, bought them vibrators and condoms.
I'm not actually sure if this is even illegal. The girls went in his car of their own consent, presumably they knew where they were going, they accepted the things he gave them, as far as we know he did not solicit any sex with them.
In the UK 11-14 is when kids are taught sexual education at school and introduced to things like condoms and vibrators; curiosity abounds. A lot of the girls I knew that age were particularly daring and could possibly be conceived as ASKING him to get them for them.
What I'm saying is don't hang the man before he is tried. Lets hear what both he and the girls have to say about it first.
-He is not a rapist:no rape occurred
-He is not a child abuser:no child abuse occurred
What actually happened is he found some girls on XBL (like a needle in a haystack if we are going by statistics) drove them to a sex shop, bought them vibrators and condoms.
I'm not actually sure if this is even illegal. The girls went in his car of their own consent, presumably they knew where they were going, they accepted the things he gave them, as far as we know he did not solicit any sex with them.
In the UK 11-14 is when kids are taught sexual education at school and introduced to things like condoms and vibrators; curiosity abounds. A lot of the girls I knew that age were particularly daring and could possibly be conceived as ASKING him to get them for them.
What I'm saying is don't hang the man before he is tried. Lets hear what both he and the girls have to say about it first.
1. Hathisbymaster said:
2. True owning a sex toy isn't illegal (or shouldn't be), being given them by a guy almost 10 years older than you is probably very illegal (or at least disgustingly inappropriate.
3. See number 2, I believe the term is grooming, which is why it isn't a charge or soliciting a minor for sex, it's accosting for immoral purposes. He accosted the shit out of them by the looks of things.
4. Not on the condoms, but maybe on the return address of the box he sent them in
Ok, if the idea is that he was grooming them for sex with gifts. Where does that stop? Should I never get a underage girl any gifts? What if he used candy instead? He helped get the girls something they couldn't have gotten on their own. If this goes through then they need to throw ever guy who buys a woman a drink in jail for grooming them for rape.
Hmmm, I think we need to hold off until there is more information on this. As much as I hate child molesters, having been a victim once myself as a kid, I also believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and it's bad enough how these allegations can follow innocent people around. I'd hold off on judgement until he's actually convicted of something.
I say this because the situation raises some odd questions. For one, one of the girls involved is 11 years old. At 11 parents generally keep track of their children. While it's possible for an 11 year old to get into a car with a 20 year old stranger and drive off, it's unlikely since that's the age when even if kids are going to a friend's house, the parents give the occasional call to check on them, make sure they made it, etc. 14 years old on the other hand is a bit differant.
I also notice that guy is being given the oppertunity to turn himself in, as opposed to having been hunted down like a dog (the expectation that he'll turn himself in, implies communication).
What's more if I read that correctly, the charges are being brought by school officials, not the parents.
If the parents were suspected of pimping their kids or something like that, it would be a big deal and the focus of this more than anything. In reality I'm suspecting there might be a misunderstanding involved here.
How could this possibly be misunderstood? Well, parents have some odd problems when wanting to dicusss sex with their kids, and they DO worry about their kids having sex, even as young as 11 since it DOES happen that kids get involved in stupid things at that point. There are a lot of arguements out there about encouraging responsible behavior, as opposed to pure abstinance which I generally agree with. Parents on the other hand are frequently uncomfortable with say giving their 11 year old daughter condoms, or telling their kids to get off with a dildo or vibrator if they have the urge rather than risking it with anothr person. That's wierder than "the talk" in a lot of cases.
One arrangement I've been aware of, if when the parents arrange to have a friend handle that part of things after "the talk" and thus give the children the illusion of deniability (ie avoiding the awkwardness of knowing their parents know), as well as not feeling wierd themselves. It's sort of like if they figured this stuff out on their own and just decided to be responsible so to speak.
We don't know how well everyone involved knows this guy off XBL, for all we know he met the parents since they don't seem to be the ones making the complaints, which is probably why he has the oppertunity to turn himself in (and has been given time to get his affairs in order) rather than being dragged away. The reaction of the authorities doesn't seem to yell "horrible child predator" to me despire the sensationalized presentation of the facts.
I'm not saying the above possibility is what happened, just pointing out that there are a number of scenarios here, and you should look at how the authorities are reacting to the situation and certain things that seem to be skirted around or aren't mentioned, rather than the accusation itself.
If the guy is a predatory pedophille, he needs to be nailed to the wall, but let the authorities do their job. The police generally do not coddle molestors, and the fact that they seem to be treating this guy with relative kid gloves is one of the big things that makes me think there must be more to this story.
I say this because the situation raises some odd questions. For one, one of the girls involved is 11 years old. At 11 parents generally keep track of their children. While it's possible for an 11 year old to get into a car with a 20 year old stranger and drive off, it's unlikely since that's the age when even if kids are going to a friend's house, the parents give the occasional call to check on them, make sure they made it, etc. 14 years old on the other hand is a bit differant.
I also notice that guy is being given the oppertunity to turn himself in, as opposed to having been hunted down like a dog (the expectation that he'll turn himself in, implies communication).
What's more if I read that correctly, the charges are being brought by school officials, not the parents.
If the parents were suspected of pimping their kids or something like that, it would be a big deal and the focus of this more than anything. In reality I'm suspecting there might be a misunderstanding involved here.
How could this possibly be misunderstood? Well, parents have some odd problems when wanting to dicusss sex with their kids, and they DO worry about their kids having sex, even as young as 11 since it DOES happen that kids get involved in stupid things at that point. There are a lot of arguements out there about encouraging responsible behavior, as opposed to pure abstinance which I generally agree with. Parents on the other hand are frequently uncomfortable with say giving their 11 year old daughter condoms, or telling their kids to get off with a dildo or vibrator if they have the urge rather than risking it with anothr person. That's wierder than "the talk" in a lot of cases.
One arrangement I've been aware of, if when the parents arrange to have a friend handle that part of things after "the talk" and thus give the children the illusion of deniability (ie avoiding the awkwardness of knowing their parents know), as well as not feeling wierd themselves. It's sort of like if they figured this stuff out on their own and just decided to be responsible so to speak.
We don't know how well everyone involved knows this guy off XBL, for all we know he met the parents since they don't seem to be the ones making the complaints, which is probably why he has the oppertunity to turn himself in (and has been given time to get his affairs in order) rather than being dragged away. The reaction of the authorities doesn't seem to yell "horrible child predator" to me despire the sensationalized presentation of the facts.
I'm not saying the above possibility is what happened, just pointing out that there are a number of scenarios here, and you should look at how the authorities are reacting to the situation and certain things that seem to be skirted around or aren't mentioned, rather than the accusation itself.
If the guy is a predatory pedophille, he needs to be nailed to the wall, but let the authorities do their job. The police generally do not coddle molestors, and the fact that they seem to be treating this guy with relative kid gloves is one of the big things that makes me think there must be more to this story.
