Militia Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor and Overthrow Government

[Revnak]

Shit like this is why this is a thing;

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Biden is literally 10 points above Trump in the general election.

They’re interrelated issues.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Sanders is farther right primarily due to his stance on gun control. Kamela is further left due to her stand on gun control.

the fuck?

 

[Cheetodust]

Well, we had some people desperate to distract from the fact that the man they helped elect President is telling terrorists to kill those of us who didn't elect him, and we had some people using the ol' "a pox on both their houses" argument to cajole people into revolution.

Not trying to distract from it. And I definitely think the republicans are worse I was just arguing that dems and liberals are not left wing. Like yeah, vote Biden.

But i would caution against thinking trump is a cause of the violence. He's just a symptom. People aren't planning violence because he tells them too. They voted for him because he encourages their violence. Conservative militia groups threatening bloody coups were around during Obama too. Getting rid of Trump is taking a painkiller, it's not going to cure anything.

The Tea Party's Armed Extremists - Type Investigations

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Even now dems are on the news saying that they need to win by a landslide. That's not how democracy works. By all means bring a ballot paper and a number 2 pencil to a gun fight.

 

[Trunkage]

The point hes making is this is kind of like when that black guy was shot after he told the cop who pulled him over that he had a conceal to carry license and a firearm. Then the cop freaked out and shot him like 11 times in front of his wife and daughter. While this was a clear case of a police officer infringing on someones second amendment (among other things), the NRA was very silent about it. Its the hypocrisy of a group only going after something when it suites them.

To be even on the same level, one should be shot in the chest, one in the back, one knelt on until they die, one needs to be gunned down with like 30 bullets and one should be tazed and then shot to death. Just picking some incidents in the last few months

Doesn't matter what they did. Because it didnt matter before. Taking their treason into account they should get a double serving. Share it around so everyone gets a try of the options.

How they got picked up by the police and didn't get shot astounds me. Before Houseman pipes in with his comment... that's what fair would be. Its should never be that way but here we are.

 

[Agema]

Biden is literally 10 points above Trump in the general election.

Yes, that's interesting.

The polls have been very steady for a long time, fluctuating over a very narrow range with Biden ~7-8% up. We have to suspect this slip is due to Trump's debate performance, as it was severely lacking in decorum and respect, and that doesn't go down well with a lot of people. I expect over the next few weeks as the debate fades from memory the polls will realign back to long-term trends, though.

They were arrested so doesn't that mean that Law and Order is being provided?
What do you want? For them to be arrested twice?

The point I think is that Trump's a massive loudmouth about law and order only when it's left-leaning voters and immigrants to face scrutinty. He's always been muted on law and order for right-wing militias, because they and those more sympathetic to them are his voter base.

And just to reinforce the point: that's the sort of reason why people make a thing about demanding he condemns white supremacists. Because whilst he occasionally does, he also conspicuously doesn't at appropriate moments he could and should, or he equivocates. Plus the years of casual race-baiting, and that he lets known racists like Stephen Miller act as senior policy advisors. It's "mixed messaging".

 

[lil devils x]

Not trying to distract from it. And I definitely think the republicans are worse I was just arguing that dems and liberals are not left wing. Like yeah, vote Biden.

But i would caution against thinking trump is a cause of the violence. He's just a symptom. People aren't planning violence because he tells them too. They voted for him because he encourages their violence. Conservative militia groups threatening bloody coups were around during Obama too. Getting rid of Trump is taking a painkiller, it's not going to cure anything.

The Tea Party's Armed Extremists - Type Investigations

www.typeinvestigations.org

Even now dems are on the news saying that they need to win by a landslide. That's not how democracy works. By all means bring a ballot paper and a number 2 pencil to a gun fight.

I think you are overlooking the point of that vote. Currently, Trump has been interfering with the FBI's ability to investigate and address far right extremists:

Former FBI Agent Says Agency Is "Hamstrung" by Trump in Investigating White Supremacist Movements

"There’s some reluctance among agents to bring forth an investigation that targets what the president perceives as his base."

www.gq.com

Who has the MOST firepower in the US? The Military and police. Whoever controls the vote controls the military and police. The left isn't stupid enough to stand out in the streets and fight people because that doesn't solve the problem. Instead of get all up in some hillbilly BS, you just control the FBI, police, Military so that you can fund their ability to investigate these threats and take them out BEFORE there is blood shed in the streets. That " #2 pencil so you put it, grants them access to the most effective tools in the world here. It is what they choose to do with those tools that makes the difference here. They can choose to go after all of these militia members taking them out one at a time so they are no longer a threat along with their fantasies of declaring civil war on the " urban liberals" who are going to force them to comply with the " green new deal" as they seem to be so terrified of..

They actually sprung up DURING Obama because how dare they elect a black man for president? The racist backlash was EXTREME. People screamed Obama was a socialist, which was laughable considering Obama was any thing but.

And Yes, Elizabeth Warren IS most definitely " Left wing", that was why she kept being attacked for her plans by the right as a " communist takeover" BS. because she was taking the wealthy's accumulated wealth and redistributing it to the poor... You do not need to be calling for violence in the streets to be leftwing.

 

[Cheetodust]

I think you are overlooking the point of that vote. Currently, Trump has been interfering with the FBI's ability to investigate and address far right extremists:

Former FBI Agent Says Agency Is "Hamstrung" by Trump in Investigating White Supremacist Movements

"There’s some reluctance among agents to bring forth an investigation that targets what the president perceives as his base."

www.gq.com

Who has the MOST firepower in the US? The Military and police. Whoever controls the vote controls the military and police. The left isn't stupid enough to stand out in the streets and fight people because that doesn't solve the problem. Instead of get all up in some hillbilly BS, you just control the FBI, police, Military so that you can fund their ability to investigate these threats and take them out BEFORE there is blood shed in the streets. That " #2 pencil so you put it, grants them access to the most effective tools in the world here. It is what they choose to do with those tools that makes the difference here. They can choose to go after all of these militia members taking them out one at a time so they are no longer a threat along with their fantasies of declaring civil war on the " urban liberals" who are going to force them to comply with the " green new deal" as they seem to be so terrified of..

They actually sprung up DURING Obama because how dare they elect a black man for president? The racist backlash was EXTREME. People screamed Obama was a socialist, which was laughable considering Obama was any thing but.

And Yes, Elizabeth Warren IS most definitely " Left wing", that was why she kept being attacked for her plans by the right as a " communist takeover" BS. because she was taking the wealthy's accumulated wealth and redistributing it to the poor... You do not need to be calling for violence in the streets to be leftwing.

The point I was making was that sure, you can win the vote but even the dems know that's not going to be enough. What if he does refuse to hand over power? What if enough nutcases are there to back him up? Representative democracy only works as long as the people in charge say it does. It's a big ol' lie. And the reason I brought up militias before Trump is to point out that they were not a problem caused by trump. Sure he's exacerbated the situation but getting rid of Trump won't stop the heavily armed crazies from thinking they need to rise up and take back their country.

No, she was attacked because she's a woman. They just need to say it's because she's a communist because they couldn't explicitly say it's because she's a woman. They also thought Obama was a communist. Communist is just a catch all term foranyone even slightly left of the tea party.

 

[tstorm823]

Just to be clear: left-wing anarchists attack politicians and law enforcement and Trump calls for law and order and deploys federal force in any place that will accept it.

Right-wing anarchists plan to attack politicians and law enforcement and the feds arrest them before they even get the chance.

The law and order didn't disappear. It's right there.

 

[Worgen]

To be even on the same level, one should be shot in the chest, one in the back, one knelt on until they die, one needs to be gunned down with like 30 bullets and one should be tazed and then shot to death. Just picking some incidents in the last few months

Doesn't matter what they did. Because it didnt matter before. Taking their treason into account they should get a double serving. Share it around so everyone gets a try of the options.

How they got picked up by the police and didn't get shot astounds me. Before Houseman pipes in with his comment... that's what fair would be. Its should never be that way but here we are.

Are you sure you meant to quote my post? I'm not sure how what I said is related to this?

 

[lil devils x]

The point I was making was that sure, you can win the vote but even the dems know that's not going to be enough. What if he does refuse to hand over power? What if enough nutcases are there to back him up? Representative democracy only works as long as the people in charge say it does. It's a big ol' lie. And the reason I brought up militias before Trump is to point out that they were not a problem caused by trump. Sure he's exacerbated the situation but getting rid of Trump won't stop the heavily armed crazies from thinking they need to rise up and take back their country.

No, she was attacked because she's a woman. They just need to say it's because she's a communist because they couldn't explicitly say it's because she's a woman. They also thought Obama was a communist. Communist is just a catch all term foranyone even slightly left of the tea party.

The attacks on Warren were coming from both democrats and Republicans due to her actual policies. She's not wrong however, going after the wealthy's accumulated wealth is the only real way to resolve these issues.

 

[lil devils x]

the fuck?

I just explained why they were considered where they were on the chart, I already stated I do not think that the chart includes enough Data to be able to have them as accurately placed as I'd like them to be. Truth is though, Bernie has some pretty right wing views on Gun control when you look at his history. Kamela supports legally Prosecuting and revoking the licenses of Gun Manufacturers, and weapons Bans, Bernie does not. I think though that issue isn't one that should send them as far right/ or left as they currently do on the chart though and that social and economic policies should have more weight.

 

[MrCalavera]

I just explained why they were considered where they were on the chart, I already stated I do not think that the chart includes enough Data to be able to have them as accurately placed as I'd like them to be. Truth is though, Bernie has some pretty right wing views on Gun control when you look at his history. Kamela supports legally Prosecuting and revoking the licenses of Gun Manufacturers, and weapons Bans, Bernie does not. I think though that issue isn't one that should send them as far right/ or left as they currently do on the chart though and that social and economic policies should have more weight.

I don't think the gun access issue is a right vs. left wing one. The further you go left, the more pro-gun people tend to get.

 

[Elijin]

 

[Trunkage]

Just to be clear: left-wing anarchists attack politicians and law enforcement and Trump calls for law and order and deploys federal force in any place that will accept it.

Right-wing anarchists plan to attack politicians and law enforcement and the feds arrest them before they even get the chance.

The law and order didn't disappear. It's right there.

Just to be clear, I compared thess plotters to how some black people who were treated. Seems like some disparity...

But, you know, Lefties are terrible and have always been way worse than those on the right. Let's get offended at that because why would I want to look at the police

SMOKESCREEN

Do you think we got away with it tstorm? Blaming generally unrelated facts to say Lefies are evil and make sure we aren't talking extra-judicial killings done by police. This was such a clever plan. Glad no one can see it

Are you sure you meant to quote my post? I'm not sure how what I said is related to this?

It wasn't a rebuttal to your post. It's was an extension/ elaboration of your post

 

[Agema]

Truth is though, Bernie has some pretty right wing views on Gun control when you look at his history.

I don't think in the greater scheme of things that gun ownership is a left/right issue; there is nothing about core values of left and right that really justify one way or the other. I do accept that trends of gun ownership and control are associated with left and right in some countries, but this is more to do with historical circumstance in those countries than left/right ideology.

 

[BrawlMan]

Getting this lovely thread back on topic. More info about the 13 men arrested.

What we know about the militia members charged in kidnapping plot against Michigan governor

Twelve Michigan men and one Delaware men are charged in the attempted coup.

www.mlive.com

 

[Worgen]

Getting this lovely thread back on topic. More info about the 13 men arrested.

What we know about the militia members charged in kidnapping plot against Michigan governor

Twelve Michigan men and one Delaware men are charged in the attempted coup.

www.mlive.com

Lawful Masses goes over the indictment.

 

[happyninja42]

Lawful Masses goes over the indictment.

Oh look, it's a bunch of beardy white dudes, what a shock.

 

[Worgen]

Oh look, it's a bunch of beardy white dudes, what a shock.

You would think the one in the middle who seems to know how to groom a beard would have taught the rest. The one on the left only seemed to understand certain areas of beardness.

 

[happyninja42]

You would think the one in the middle who seems to know how to groom a beard would have taught the rest. The one on the left only seemed to understand certain areas of beardness.

Nah, grooming is for homos, didn't you get the memo?