Minecraft Adding Places to Hit the Hay

[Internet Kraken]

And what's your point?

That coding can be hard. I'm sorry that wasn't obvious.

You act like Mojan bothers to even iron out bugs with each feature they implement when they put it in.

So you believe that every feature you see is version 1.0?

Is there a point to anything your saying at this point? I'm not sure what you're getting at. My complaint was the they weren't implementing the code even though countless modders have shown how easy it is to put in this segment of code. Then you pointed out that the reason it wasn't going to be easy was because they were going to remove the glitches associated with said code, which the modders have not to done. Then I pointed out that basically every feature implemented is always riddled with bugs because this is a beta and most of the bug testing they do in a feature initial release is probably just going to be making sure it doesn't crash the game. My point was that claiming that they aren't putting in all the code for beds now because they're improving it doesn't hold up when you consider that they haven't done that for almost every other feature on initial release.

If they do that I'll be genuinely surprised and take back what I said. But based on their track record I don't see that happening, hence why this appears as pure laziness/incompetence to me.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

Oh, very excited for this. Right when I started playing the game too! Perfect timing.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Will beds also restore my health? And can they be indestructible? Because I can't even count how many times I've died at night by accident, spawned, took a step right into a waiting creeper, respawned, only to find that he brought friends. Immediately spawning again, I come to realize that my spawn point is now 40 feet above the ground, whereupon I take a left at jagged rock junction and lose half my health, climb out, and make it all the way to a few spots to the side of my spawn, to get a hug from a zombie and some complimentary strands of silk still attached to the spider.

 

[Joshimodo]

Thank god, i'm sick of getting lost trying to find my way back home after I respawn.

I've left abstract markers in the direction of my castle. If I die, it's like searching a hostile landscape guided by an ancient civilisation's remains.



Glad we'll finally have a way of passing through night and having a new spawnpoint. I guarantee that on the FIRST DAY there will be a video of someone waking up out of bed next to a Creeper, or having a Creeper waiting.

 

[Formica Archonis]

Is there a point to anything your saying at this point? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

And I'm not sure what you're getting at. At least we both make sense to ourselves!

 

[Veylon]

Is there a point to anything your saying at this point? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

And I'm not sure what you're getting at. At least we both make sense to ourselves!

Just to settle this (maybe), here's what those few lines of code would look something like:

BedBlock::OnInteract()
{
SpawnPoint.Location = this.Location;
Global.Time += Global.GetNighttimeRemaining();
Health = 10;
}


All that's really needed besides this is a quick check that the two blocks above the bed are air. Such code already exists for chests. Try putting rock on top of one and opening it sometime. The spawning code itself already exists. Advancing the time of day is trivial, as is changing health.

It can be argued whether Notch is lazy, though I don't know how it compares to a team of dozens or hundreds taking years to put out a game in the rest of the industry.

 

[Internet Kraken]

obvious troll is obvious. i gave clear and logical (from a developer's point of view) arguments as to why.

When your argument fails to hold up, resort to accusing the other person of being a troll. Is that what you always do? Because it's rather insulting. Just because my viewpoint differs from yours doesn't mean I'm going to accuse you of being a troll.

 

[Formica Archonis]

Just to settle this (maybe), here's what those few lines of code would look something like:

BedBlock::OnInteract()
{
SpawnPoint.Location = this.Location;
Global.Time += Global.GetNighttimeRemaining();
Health = 10;
}


All that's really needed besides this is a quick check that the two blocks above the bed are air. Such code already exists for chests. Try putting rock on top of one and opening it sometime.

Glad to see an actual coder - been years since I've done any proper hacking! So, the code for how world objects behave is also used for how players behave? Very interesting!

 

[Voodoomancer]

Wheeeee.

I hope they'll come king-sized

 

[ShasoRmyr]

A movable spawn point AND a way to skip to the next sunrise? This may be my "best update ever" for Minecraft.

 

[Distorted Stu]

It would be good for multiploayer. Say i go to sleep, i gain some health!

 

[JoelChenFA]

I don't like it. Bed's to restore your health are a good idea, but what's to stop players from sleeping every single night, thus rendering the entire inclusion of night meaningless?

You know what will stop players from sleeping every single night and making the game too easy?

Players choosing NOT to.

 

[JoelChenFA]

Am i the only one who doesn't really like the idea? Beds would take out a lot of the challenge/danger that makes the game more fun

There is no compulsory use bed option. Don't use it.

 

[Internet Kraken]

obvious troll is obvious. i gave clear and logical (from a developer's point of view) arguments as to why.

When your argument fails to hold up, resort to accusing the other person of being a troll. Is that what you always do? Because it's rather insulting. Just because my viewpoint differs from yours doesn't mean I'm going to accuse you of being a troll.

i removed the previous posts because it would have been too long otherwise. i made reasonable arguments as to why it would take a long time to implement something like respawn points. and you just went "derp, minecraft fanboys sticking up for mojang".

then i'm allowed to call you a troll, and i suppose i shouldn't be feeding you like i'm doing right now.

Your argument was not reasonable, as you overlooked the fact that it's just a few lines of code you shove onto an object. Thing is, I haven't seen a legitimate argument defending this incompetence yet. If you think your argument was any good, then you better restate because the first time I read it it sure didn't have any influence over me.

But that still doesn't justify calling me a troll just because you're frustrated.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

then i'm allowed to call you a troll, and i suppose i shouldn't be feeding you like i'm doing right now.

Your argument was not reasonable, as you overlooked the fact that it's just a few lines of code you shove onto an object. Thing is, I haven't seen a legitimate argument defending this incompetence yet. If you think your argument was any good, then you better restate because the first time I read it it sure didn't have any influence over me.

But that still doesn't justify calling me a troll just because you're frustrated.

Let me break it down for you. You are complaining that the developers of a game which is still in the beta stage of development have chosen to implement this feature, a not exactly game-changing or desperately needed addition, over the course two updates rather than one. This gripe couldn't be any pettier if you tried.

 

[Shjade]

Except there are a hundred other problems with this game that are indicative of his laziness. ... It feels like Notch and his team are focusing more on his other game than Minecraft now.

So let me get this straight: you think he's lazy because he's working on other things?

Your logic, I believe it has a flaw.

Sidenote: guys, stop calling him a troll, really. He just doesn't have access to a variety of descriptive words; the only one he knows in the general vicinity of what he means to say is "lazy," despite it not fitting the actual circumstances. He's not trying to look foolish, he just can't help it.

Don't hate: educate.

@danpascooch: Your priorities amuse me a little. You think it would be okay for beds to heal you when you use them - an act that currently requires some degree of harvesting to acquire items that will restore your health in incremental amounts - but not to pass the nighttime more quickly - something you can already do at zero inventory cost by tabbing out of the game and browsing the web, checking email, or doing basically anything else, or even doing something underground or in a torch-lit shelter in-game?

Your version of what beds should do makes the game easier than a non-healing time-lapse tool would.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Let me break it down for you. You are complaining that the developers of a game which is still in the beta stage of development have chosen to implement this feature, a not exactly game-changing or desperately needed addition, over the course two updates rather than one. This gripe couldn't be any pettier if you tried.

I already said it's a small thing, but it's indicative of the amount of incompetence present in the development studio if they can't even fully implement a minor feature in a single update when it's already been done by the modding community. Unless they implement it without any bugs, but I seriously doubt they're going to do that.

Except there are a hundred other problems with this game that are indicative of his laziness. ... It feels like Notch and his team are focusing more on his other game than Minecraft now.

So let me get this straight: you think he's lazy because he's working on other things?

Your logic, I believe it has a flaw.

I feel that he's lazy because he's working on other things while not devoting enough attention to his existing product, mainly because he's sick of it. How is the flawed logic?

Actually you know what, fuck this. I take back everything I said and I am an idiot/troll/ignorant fuck/whatever. You all win. I'm sick of arguing about this.

 

[Shjade]

Because if he's working, he's not being lazy.

The word you're looking for is busy.

Something else to consider:

I already said it's a small thing, but it's indicative of the amount of incompetence present in the development studio if they can't even fully implement a minor feature in a single update when it's already been done by the modding community.

Why do you consider it incompetence when a small studio doesn't keep up with a much larger modding community whose members are all focused on projects that are fractions of the entire game the studio makes? This is akin to saying a chef is incompetent for not updating his best recipe to date to include all the variations people around the world have made of it: he's just one chef, he designed the recipe in a certain way, and it's neither his responsibility nor his obligation to make a library of all the different versions of that recipe other people made based on his original, from the smallest spices to wholesale ingredient swaps. That doesn't make him an incompetent chef, it makes him one man surrounded by hundreds all making their personal "improvements" to his creation. Hell, he might not even like some of their changes and refuse to make them "official" additions to the recipe - that's his prerogative. They can still cook it however they like, but that doesn't mean he has to change to suit their preferences.

In other words: you appear to be either oblivious or afflicted by a sense of entitlement sadly prevalent among gamers these days. ... Scratch that, prevalent among people these days.