MLG Disqualifies Top Two League of Legends Teams

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Slycne said:
I don't remember the specifics, but I recall hearing something that certain outcomes would assure that Curse or Dignatas wouldn't potentially have to face heaving hitting teams like CLG or TSM until the finals. So there's more to consider than just being there.
Regionals has 8 teams. The matches are done so seed 1 faces seed 8, 2 faces 7, 3-6, and 4-5. The winners of 1-8 and 4-5 would face each other, as would the winners of 2-7 and 3-6. TSM is seed 1 and Curse is seed 4, so assuming they win their first matches, they would face each other no matter what. CLG and Dignitas would have been seeds 2 and 3 anyway, so the only thing that could have changed is their first round matchups. Again, assuming they both won, they would face each other even if Dignitas had seed 2. Since Dignitas is seed 3, they will face a team they've had trouble with, as opposed to a team they've beaten easily. Dignitas could have had a much easier first round had they won the tournament. Since the bracket system for regionals works on a single-elimination system, the stakes are much higher for Dignitas.

TL;DR Dignitas will have a hard first match, but if they win they will probably play CLG; Curse probably will play TSM. If Dignitas had won the tournament, they'd have a much easier first match.
 

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Here's the issue: They actually played the ARAM to the best of their ability, and prize splitting is NOT (I checked) in the MLG rules. What is there is "predetermining the outcome of a game for seeding, etc. purposes". That didn't occur.

While the decision still may be correct, a rather strong argument could be made that MLG violated its own rules. Both are still qualified for the season finals so the points don't really matter anyway.
 

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I have a question here... If the two teams were playing against each other, and the winner gets 1st prize and the loser gets the 2nd prize, and they then decided to pool all that money and split it... why would they even bother considering not playing their hardest? that makes no sense at all unless they are expecting to make extra money based off betting or something. If you are guaranteed the exact same amount of money whether you win or lose, then why would you rig the results when you could just play hard, have fun and collect the same amount of money anyways?

does not make sense.
 

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Now that MLG is starting to have its own cheating scandals, does that legitimize competitive videogaming? Can we get StarCraft II tournaments on ESPN now?
Not until gamers start testing posotive in antidoping.
 

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Fun fact, as far as the LoL community is concerned, this isn't the first time these Dignitas has done stupid shit in a tournament. If you watch some of the better known LoL players stream their games, you'll notice that they are hilariously stupid, that they're jerks and that they can be pretty big douchebags.

In short, the best players in a MOBA game do a perfect job of representing what the community is like in the genre.
 

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If they colluded to throw the match thats not on, but if they agreed to play to the best of their ability and then split the money I don't really lose any sleep over it.

Quite a grey area between those two though.

Addition My earlier comment that I might lose sleep over legitimate Lol matches, I assure you that that's not the case as I literally couldnt care less
 

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Grey area but... if these tournaments want to be take as seriously as they're building to be, stuff like this has to be cracked down on.

It is indeed not in the spirit of the event and if word gets around that 'oh well, the teams are just collaborating anyway' no one is going to care to watch. If the tournaments don't mean anything to the players besides a paycheck (well I know prestige doesn't pay the bills but ...), then the tournament becomes illigitimized and their worth declines.

It's... I can see the harmless side of it but at the same time I can see why the organizers of the event want to stop this happening.
 

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Jandau said:
Considering most of Curse are douchebags (seriously, saintvicious trolls constantly on his stream and is a jackass), it wouldn't suprise me if it were true.

Now all I'm waiting for is the first e-sports doping scandal. Not quite sure how it would be done (cocaine? amphetamines?), but I'm sure someone will think of something...
artificially induced lag is probably the best bet
 

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Just to add a little perspective, from the viewpoint of the event organizer, it's not just actual corruption that they are opposed to, but also the appearance of corruption. When prize money is awarded in addition to ranking, it is ostensibly one of the things that the competitors are trying to win. When the two teams in the finals agree PRE-EVENT to split the prize money then there is the appearance (if not the reality, but still damaging) that they have removed the motivation to give their best effort - meaning the winner may not be the one who is the best but the one who gives up the least. If the winner decides to be generous with his winnings, that's one thing, but to agree to split the pot before the event taints the outcome and diminishes the legitimacy of the "sport". The event organizer might have been able to do a better job explaining rules and what's OK / not OK up front, but the teams themselves cannot escape blame for being dumbasses who should have known better.
 

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Greg Tito said:
MLG Disqualifies Top Two League of Legends Teams

the recent doping mess in cycling
I sincerely hope you're not referring to Lance Armstrong here. His recent troubles with the US anti doping people has been going on for years in spite of his passing every single drug test he's ever taken. He took a stand on principal, and they striped his medals for it. There's a lot to admire in that especially since the only evidence they had of him doping was that they caught two of his team mates doping. All the evidence says Armstrong won his titles fair and square; but even if he didn't it's debatable whether the US doping people even have a right to strip him of his Tour De France titles since they're, well, French.

OT: Good on them. Nobody wants to watch a predetermined game. Too bad they couldn't have gotten the #3 and 4 teams to compete for top prize at least though.
 

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Jandau said:
Now all I'm waiting for is the first e-sports doping scandal. Not quite sure how it would be done (cocaine? amphetamines?), but I'm sure someone will think of something...
"... and here we see members from the top three teams getting disqualified from the tournament for testing positive to Red Bull, Mother, Monster and several other banned energy boosting forumals"



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Captcha: "Egg On". When I was a kid that meant you were daring, attempting to coerce someone to do something silly. How apt for a "pro" gaming story about alleged cheating.
 

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as much as i dislike curse on a human level , saintviscious , what a tool. even i have to credit them to have more intelligence than this.

i mean seriously if you were going to match fix would you have the stupidity to play an aram game before hand thats going to raise some serious questions about the two teams communicating?

so i find myself believing them they agreed to the aram and maybe maybe not the pot split but not the match fix.
 

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I would just like to point out that at the time this article was posted there was no evidence provided by MLG nor did any of the accused teams admit that they fixed the outcome of the matches.
The quality of the article is very low as it does not even mention the statements any of the other 3 parties involved in the incident (Riot games, Team Dignitas, Team Curse) Please do better next time.
 

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Interesting, but not surprising, when money gets involved things like this always crop up, and it's just going to get worse if there is enough exposure for people to start seriously gambling on it.

That said, I have increasingly little faith in organized competitions anymore since there is no way to watch the watchdogs so to speak, and politics and cultural differances get involved too heavily without the people who are supposed to be neutral putting their food down. With something like gaming it's just going to get worse if they ever tried to go global due to the differances between Eastern and Western players and attitudes on fair competition.

Of course in my case a lot of this has to do with the last two Olympics where China seemed to be going absolutly insane with the cheating, and no action was really taken. The Olympics are supposed to be "the" event with the highest standards (more so than major league sporting organizations) and it just got too political. I remember back in Beijing how they had those likely underage girls competing and all of the contreversies and blockades about that. This year while they seemed to be taking doping tests more seriously, China seemed to be under a lot of suspician, and one article I read referanced their "excuse" as being "Well, if the US or Russia do it, it's no big deal, so why should it be for China?" not that they were caught, but at the same time there are accusations people were intentionally lax with some (but not all) of the Chinese medal winners for fear of what they might find. Whether that's true or not is debatable, it kind of went away when China didn't win the medal count over the US, but at the same time it seemed to me not enough was being done publically, and then of course there were the shadows of Beijing.

The bottom line is that if you can't even keep the Olympics straight, and free from this kind of contreversy (which involves more than China) you can't expect things like pro-gaming to be any more honest.

I'll be frank, I expect the big thing with pro-gaming to be the people running the tournaments doing the "fixes" when the time comes. There are enough variables involved in these games where it's going to be tricky to tell if the software/computers/whatever provided by the sponsors aren't set up to subtly favor one person/group or another with the RNG or whatever. On something like Starcraft a slight input delay on one side or the other just makes them look slower, in things like LoL with random numbers involved as far as I can tell someone's crit percentages/defenses being adjusted covertly might not be noticible to an observer if it's done correctly.

Give it a few years, people might not believe it or see it, but if you think this is bad, just watch, if this takes off, you'll have the guys running these tournaments eventually caught in cahoots with bookies in Vegas or whatever to subtly manipulate the outcome, which is arguably harder to control/police than things like Boxing where there have already been tons of problems.