Montreal Police "Investigate" School Shooting Game
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Nobody says it doesn't have the right to exist. But we shouldn't just look at it, say "yep, that's art" and move on.Tactyk said:
Wake up people, the world is not black and white. It's not either all games are art or no games are art. Some are, some aren't and you have a varying degree in between. That games is not art. There's no message, there's no redeeming value, there's nothing there that is remotely artistic. It's a shoot-em-up that uses a tragic event as an hook to get traffic.
Shit, nobody defended Ed Wood or feels the need to defend Uwe Boll to make sure movies keep their artistic status.
It's totally not the same as news outlets spreading the news over and over. Totally not the same.Andy Chalk said:
Good eye, it's not. The purpose of a news outlet (a reputable one, ie not Fox News) is to inform its audience of recent happenings. The purpose of a flash game is to entertain.Milkman Dan said:
you know except that one movie by the same nameShadowKirby said:
and anyone who can get that out of BloodRayne certainly has some sort of creativity in them
If we're not even going to discuss the possibility of something within a medium having some intrinsic value then we are claiming the whole medium as defunct. Sorry, just the way I see it and I don't define art the way you do.
If an exploitation movie like Hostel can be art I see no reason this tasteless stuff cannot be
So where do you draw the line on art?
If its done with the intent of expressing something, ANYTHING, it is, in my mind, art.
You can just be offended all you want, it won't change what people do
Alright, it can be art if you want it. It doesn't stop that shit from being offensive and I have a responsibility to call it out because unless you can tell me what this game is trying to pass as a message (I really hope someone actually tries to argue that with me), I want game express something interesting in a meaningful way, not just take a tragic event and "make it fun".Tactyk said:
Making something fun out of a tragic event is not art, it's provocation. If someone made a tasteless comedy about a school shooting (but hey "it's fun"), not even the most fervent defender of movies as art would stand up for that shit.
It's not even a "art/not-art debate", it's about defending free speech only when there's a speech to be defended. That game has no speech. It's a dumb kid pissing his name on a grave.
The one of the biggest problems I seem to be having with it is the title of the game: Dawson College Massacre!. That exclamation mark takes away any seriousness he claims the game is about. He is just trying to make publicity off of it, and although I do agree that it should not be suppressed, I think it should be ignored.SamFisher202 said:
So it has the right to exist no matter how offensive.
what's the point of this argument now?
Its tasteless sure, but it's the market's job to punish it not someone shouting about it. That will only bring it more publicity.
Provocation is still a form of expression and like I said, you can be offended all you want but it doesn't change anything, it still has a right to exist. It isn't your job to defame it, and all you do by trying is bring more attention to it. I don't see proper film critics talking about exploitation films. Its a parallel market that they don't care for, so they bring it no attention, so let this little game die off on its own and stop shouting into the darkness about how its lack of class is somehow a call to arms against it.
what's the point of this argument now?
Its tasteless sure, but it's the market's job to punish it not someone shouting about it. That will only bring it more publicity.
Provocation is still a form of expression and like I said, you can be offended all you want but it doesn't change anything, it still has a right to exist. It isn't your job to defame it, and all you do by trying is bring more attention to it. I don't see proper film critics talking about exploitation films. Its a parallel market that they don't care for, so they bring it no attention, so let this little game die off on its own and stop shouting into the darkness about how its lack of class is somehow a call to arms against it.
You know what? This article was reminding me of that one guy who made that game about the Virginia Tech shooting. I think it was called "V-Tech Rampage".
However, here's one big difference between the Dawson College game's creator and the V-Tech game's creator:
On the other hand, I read that the guy who created that V-Tech game said he'd take down the game and apologize... IF people gave him $3000. Now THAT was a guy at risk of burning in hell.
However, here's one big difference between the Dawson College game's creator and the V-Tech game's creator:
At least Dawson College Massacre!'s Virtuaman made an apology.Andy Chalk said:
On the other hand, I read that the guy who created that V-Tech game said he'd take down the game and apologize... IF people gave him $3000. Now THAT was a guy at risk of burning in hell.
I'm old enough to know that there's thing that make people laugh or at least giggle. One of this is pissing peoples off and watching people getting their torch ready. As such @Andy Chalk, congratulation for giving attention to that Dumbass.
*Roll my eyes at post*
Really, not even a little bit of credit to the guy that; Had the idea, Made the graphic, Recherches the pics, weaved a narrative and put the project together. No sir, it's all Newgrounds fault. Seriously, I don't think that you know how making a Flash project and posting it work. Posting it to a website like Newgrounds is the FINAL STEP.
I blame video games. No really, what does theses thing ever do right?WanderingFool said:
*Roll my eyes at post*
Really, not even a little bit of credit to the guy that; Had the idea, Made the graphic, Recherches the pics, weaved a narrative and put the project together. No sir, it's all Newgrounds fault. Seriously, I don't think that you know how making a Flash project and posting it work. Posting it to a website like Newgrounds is the FINAL STEP.
Maybe in narrative, but the real goal was to shock people and get coverage. Isn't what the kid, VirtuaDumbass, wanted in the first place? Even if you make the distinction between Army and Killer, He does have a point. Mind you, not a big one but i do seem to recall some of the officer of Fallujah being honored to be in a game or at least to have their story out. It's mostly parent and family of their fallen comrades that did that game in for, and I quote, "poor taste".Celtic_Kerr said:
He got it a bit of coverage,but do you really want to learn about a College shooting from an "Interactive Experiance"? Alot of people are just getting over what happened there. Many people are still shocked. I know it's been a good 4 years or so, but think of the shooting at another Montreal school: Polytechnique. It's been forever and we all remember.Akalistos said:
The people who know about the shooting know about it. the news will mention it from time to time and remind us of the tragedy we faced here in montreal. We do not need this mockery of a game. A girl died. He's pissing on her grave, saying "Now other people can have fun shooting pixelated versions of you"
THe public doesn't need bullshit like this