Neo-Nazis Faked Out by Trick T-Shirts
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Since when were Nazis, of any ilk, "right-wing?" No, I'm dead serious when I ask that question. The name of the group gives away that it's a very left-wing ideal. The word "Nazi," after all, stems from the German word "Nationalsozialismus," which, literally, translates to "National Socialism." Are we really so far to the left that Socialism is considered "far right-wing?"
Then again, the "scholars" who place the Nazis on the "far-right" are all alumni of the Frankfurt School. The Frakfurt School was founded as the "Institute of Social Research" in 1923, by Carl Grünberg, as, for lack of a better term, a Marxist brain trust. With Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the Marxists saw the "far-right Socialism" as a major threat, and fled, ending up at Columbia University, and taking hold in the Ivy League.
So, yeah. I guess, to a group of Marxists, Socialism is "right-wing," by comparison. But, since the ACTUAL right wing, government should be small, and limit itself from the infringing it can do on the rights of others, the ACTUAL right wing has nothing to do with Socialism, or the Nazi party.
Then again, the "scholars" who place the Nazis on the "far-right" are all alumni of the Frankfurt School. The Frakfurt School was founded as the "Institute of Social Research" in 1923, by Carl Grünberg, as, for lack of a better term, a Marxist brain trust. With Hitler's rise to power in Germany, the Marxists saw the "far-right Socialism" as a major threat, and fled, ending up at Columbia University, and taking hold in the Ivy League.
So, yeah. I guess, to a group of Marxists, Socialism is "right-wing," by comparison. But, since the ACTUAL right wing, government should be small, and limit itself from the infringing it can do on the rights of others, the ACTUAL right wing has nothing to do with Socialism, or the Nazi party.
You're sorta mixing things up. The concert in question here had about 600 attendees. And about 900 demonstrating against it. I don't know about the "head guy who is so calm" you're talking about but I suppose you're referring to a head of the (allegedly) far-right wing party of Germany (in truth, they're extremists). They don't get many votes.Saelune said:
why do nazis still exist?
I thought we got rid of both them and communists after people realised corruption makes both those systems completely unusable.
I thought we got rid of both them and communists after people realised corruption makes both those systems completely unusable.
No it fucking isn't. A lot of these morons would bash your head in you if you tried to leave.Treblaine said:
From what I know, they are even less important than the KKK, and less hidden.Saelune said:
Apropos, I loved that describition: "Still around, but more hidden, not very powerful, and pissing in the woods."
An official estimation from the year 2008 said that about 4400 people in Germany are active neo-nazis.
http://www.welt.de/politik/article1906787/Zahl_der_Neonazis_in_Deutschland_steigt_an.html
It's not the most up to date source, but it gives you a nice overview.
Neo-nazis are pretty unimportant on the grand political scale, but they are a nice scapegoat to make fun of.
There's even a really funny mini-series in which a Hilter-impersonator makes fun of the neo-nazis and shows how they even fail on their politcal ground.
You know, I am not really from the politcal left or centre myself, but I have to say, you're mostly right. I see it in my own country pretty clearly. Generally, extremists are simply mindless. Unsophisticated scum, not any better than barbarians. Neo-nazis and Antifa (the main wings of extremism here) are the same kind of assholes, just in different colours. Mindless, degenerated slaves without a real intention to change things for the better, simply, brainlessly participating in violence for the "kick" and to vent their anger.ShadowsofHope said:
I'll say it like that:
If you put them all into a bag and beat it with a stick till nothing moves anymore inside of the bag, you won't hit any innocent.
OT: That serves those traitors right. Nice trolling I have to say, simply great!
Still doesn't change much about the fact that vast parts of democracy are equally full of shit like those neo-nazis (or the Antifa, respectively).
All of them are cheerfully bringing great shame upon the fatherland. But that's another story...
No, I meant the skinheads in the movie that he was getting away from after he left prison (his former girlfriend, the fat guy and Cameron). The film, otherwise, is primarily exactly that.Generic Gamer said:
Because the Nazi Party was Socialist like North Korea is a Democratic Republic. If you remember back to your education, the Nazis had no reservations about killing political and ideological opponents, which included proponents of Social Liberalism, Democratic Socialism, Social Libertarians, Communists, and others along the left side of the political spectrum. The Nazis themselves were very much traditionalists and racial purists (to the extreme extent of White Supremacy), and several high ranking members of the SS were devoutly Conservative Religious individuals.Sikratua said:
The majority, however, usually are. And to the point of vandalism and outright murder of minority ethnicities, no less.El Luck said:
They may be unfair to you, but 99% of all extremists have yet to prove any of my words wrong on the topic. And when they seem to be rational and intelligent about their ideals, it is usually more or less whipped up in a clever attempt to get you to see the "rationality" behind their ideals through the same methods that they themselves were subject to when they started reading/listening to extremist propaganda. They have been used and indoctrinated, simple as that.xHipaboo420x said:
Though I do wonder, provide me an example of an argument from a right-wing extremist you have met (so you claim) that apparently has some measure of intelligent and rational though, Hm? Can you do that for me?
You've missed at least two points here.ShadowsofHope said:
I never said that their right-wing views were reasonable, I said that they were as people. They're not my friends and they never will be, they are reactionary and ridiculous. You guys would probably get along.
