Nerjyzed Entertainment Announces Black College Football Experience

[Joe]

Um...yeah. That'd be because the majority of South Africans are "black" or "colored", and so there is no South African history without mentioning the roles of those people. In the U.S. African-Americans have comprised anywhere between 10% and 15% of the population. So, their roles in American history, without special mention, tend to be excluded from the general account.

So would you be opposed to a White History Month in South Africa, given that they're a minority and play a smaller role in South African history at large?

 

[Godheval]

Less apparent - which is still probably much different than less prevalent. At the higher socioeconomic levels, the racism is probably more of that institutional variety I mentioned, as opposed to the outward animosity.

Anyway, what you say sounds ideal, as far as getting to a point where everyone has those privileges. However, this seems impossible so long as the concept of race itself exists and serves as a boundary between groups of people. Even if it became a wide consensus that race is a bullshit concept, most people would still harbor race-based preconceptions and attitudes, albeit even more quietly.

And so, short of abolishing the entire race paradigm, the more feasible alternative is to reduce white privilege. But even that seems highly unlikely.

 

[Godheval]

So would you be opposed to a White History Month in South Africa, given that they're a minority and play a smaller role in South African history at large?

If in fact "white" South Africans were under-represented throughout accounts of South African history, such that a white history month was required, then I would be behind it 100%. Absolutely. But somehow I doubt that that's the case. Reason being that there is a huge difference between the two minorities - white South Africans and African-Americans.

White South Africans once - and for a long period - held most of the power in the country. This means that they were often the ones writing or regulating how history was recorded. This has never been true for African-Americans.

 

[Joe]

Less apparent - which is still probably much different than less prevalent. At the higher socioeconomic levels, the racism is probably more of that institutional variety I mentioned, as opposed to the outward animosity.

"Probably" is quite the gotcha, there, though, isn't it? I think we'd agree, however, that the more people from disparate racial and social backgrounds enter college and enjoy better living situations as a result of their education will go a long way in evaporating institutional racism as more and more generations benefit from the civil rights movement.

Anyway, what you say sounds ideal, as far as getting to a point where everyone has those privileges. However, this seems impossible so long as the concept of race itself exists and serves as a boundary between groups of people. Even if it became a wide consensus that race is a bullshit concept, most people would still harbor race-based preconceptions and attitudes, albeit even more quietly.

And so, short of abolishing the entire race paradigm, the more feasible alternative is to reduce white privilege. But even that seems highly unlikely.

Honestly, I think it's attainable. All we need is that damn Equal Rights Amendment to come up through Congress again. And I do think race is a bullshit concept, and I'd venture a lot of people in my generation do. But I disagree that penalizing one race/gender combo that's doing well just so everyone's on a level playing field is a good way to go. And I'm a borderline socialist.

In regard to your second post, at what point does a Black History Month become unnecessary? When blacks account for 10-15% of an American history curriculum?

 

[Andy Chalk]

This reminds me of a joke about the Englishman who sees a rich man driving by in his limousine and thinks about how he can't wait until the day he's able to ride in a limousine himself, and the Frenchman who sees the same car drive by and thinks about how he can't wait until the day he can pull that rich fellow out of the car and make him walk like everyone else.

You've determined that your way is the only way because you've somehow been directly touched by cold claw of slavery, and that those of us who think there may be better (or at least different) ways to address the issue have invalid opinions by default, because we're not black. You say the elimination of racial underpinnings in day-to-day interactions is impossible as long as race exists as a concept and boundary between people, but aren't you the one maintaining that concept and boundary by insisting on the injustice and hypocrisy of moving on?

 

[Godheval]

Malygris, I have no choice but to ignore you from here on out. You manage to only hear/read what you want out of everything I've had to say, so what point is there in talking to you further?

Joe - if it is possible, then great. But I'll have to see it to believe it.

Another article you may be interested in:

http://www.uwm.edu/%7Egjay/Whiteness/whitepeople.pdf

This one, for all of you, touches on a lot of the attitudes expressed here in this forum, such as exempting yourselves from accountability/responsibility for the racialist paradigm.

 

[Bongo Bill]

Not like it was much of a tough call there, Bill.

I take my victories where I can get 'em.

And Bill, you're a fool. There hasn't been any "race scandal" here, but merely a discussion. You could try engaging in it, or you can continue to sit back and be ignorant and cynical.

I'd love to join in, but I'm a blind robot who was only activated last Thursday, and am accordingly incapable of processing complex human emotions.

 

[Godheval]

You've determined that your way is the only way because you've somehow been directly touched by cold claw of slavery, and that those of us who think there may be better (or at least different) ways to address the issue have invalid opinions by default, because we're not black. You say the elimination of racial underpinnings in day-to-day interactions is impossible as long as race exists as a concept and boundary between people, but aren't you the one maintaining that concept and boundary by insisting on the injustice and hypocrisy of moving on?

And you're also a damned hypocrite. Because while you accuse me of thinking that my view is the only view - something that you'd know is completely untrue if you knew anything about me, or read any of the articles I've posted - you have your own pre-existent view on this matter, and have refused an alternative (my) point of view as having any validity. You are likely so certain that you have heard my arguments before, that you've already prepared your response - the same responses you've undoubtedly made to other people when discussing similar topics. So before you accuse me of being myopic in any way, actually take IN the whole of my argument - which requires some reading - and then comment to me. Until then, I have nothing to say to you.

 

[Joe]

And we were doing so well. Let's keep this friendly, guys, or I'm gonna shut it down.

 

[Kemmler0]

We don't have black history month, or any museums dedicated to black history. We do have a museum dedicated to Apartheid however. So that we never forget the mistakes of the past.

Um...yeah. That'd be because the majority of South Africans are "black" or "colored", and so there is no South African history without mentioning the roles of those people. In the U.S. African-Americans have comprised anywhere between 10% and 15% of the population. So, their roles in American history, without special mention, tend to be excluded from the general account.

And I thank you not to presume you understand the "black experience" in America, simply because you went through Apartheid. The two are entirely separate phenomena. So you are in no better a position to tell anyone here to "get over it" than a white person. Sorry.

They are more related than you know. Why do you think the term is 'African American'... hmmm. As through all black people come from Africa.

Besides i don't remember saying that i understand the 'black experience' in America. I was just offering an alternate view point on the matter.

And I thank you not to assume what colour my skin is.... that my friend is racist.

 

[Arbre]

Malygris: By insisting so much on the existence of that great divide between black and white people in America, you fuel that divide.

Godheval: I insist on that divide because it exists, and it needs to be erased. Ignoring it won't help.

Seriously, I just don't know what foot to dance with.

I can't read all of Godheval's evidence. I have no guarantee that it's even correct, unbiased. I'm not American, and I don't know how far Godheval goes with his preach.

The problem here is that safe maybe a few countries in northern Europe, I don't know many where minorities benefit from equal unofficial treatment - yeah, equal rights on paper sounds nice and all, but when brought back into the cold reality of our lives, it fails on and on.
I can see that happening where I live... the only difference being that it's focused on Africans, North Africans and to a lesser extent, East Europeans, while I suppose that in the US, it's focused on the Africans, Afro-Americans, South Americans and maybe other ethnical groups I'm missing (Middle East people? 9/11 must have surely raised animosities).

I think that there will be less fuzz in a couple of centuries, if all goes well, when all ethnical groups will be respectively well represented within governments of healthy countries they would belong to.

But right now, just cite me, for example, a rich country where black people comprise the vast majority of a democratic government.
I think when all ethnical groups will have good examples to turn to, they'll ***** a bit less while being minorities in their country, because all differences will progressively get leveled.

Right now, the whites live in the most favoured countries, while all other main ethnical groups, safe the east Asians (Japan, South Korea, etc. but they're still pale skinned in the end), live in countries which are, excuse me the bluntness, true shitholes, either because of the extreme asymetrical spread of wealth, or power under all of its forms.

Well, back to the topic at hand, I don't have problems with a kind of black game, if it's not used to fuel bias against whites, or any other people actually.
But, you know, on the same hand, some black people will say that it just balances 99.99% of those games which have a bias against non-white characters. Which is not exactly wrong either.
But even if the act is pure and innocent, chances that it will be misinterpretated or altered.
I can see black extremists urging their kids to play "black games" made by their "brothers" and so on. Duh, this is the kind of divide we're speaking of.

I also understand the "pride of origins" thing, but it's okay as far it's just a piece of culture that gets mixed to the whole, not used to, again, grow that rift between groups even more.

I looked at the trailer and, well... it may be me, but I fail to see where the non-black people are in that. It's not about white people only, you know.
Maybe there are a few non-black people.
I hope, actually. Not because I'm afraid of a game that's 100% black, but because it would mean it's been precisely crafted to exclude non-black people. That would be a problem.

Maybe there's just too much ruckuss made about that game, and we should wait and see what happens.

It's also possible that the game will suck big donkey balls, and no one will care about it three months after it's been on the shelves.

 

[Godheval]

They are more related than you know. Why do you think the term is 'African American'... hmmm. As through all black people come from Africa.

Besides i don't remember saying that i understand the 'black experience' in America. I was just offering an alternate view point on the matter.

And I thank you not to assume what colour my skin is.... that my friend is racist.

I didn't say they weren't related. I said that they're not the same, and that your experience with one does not guarantee an understanding of the other. That is what you implied, but if that is not what you meant, then I withdraw that particular comment.

As for the term "African-Americans", it is because that perceived group of people have a mostly unknown ancestry - i.e. the particulars of their origins outside of the fact that their ancestors came from somewhere on that continent. There are few other terms that are useful, except in the case of those people who do know for sure where they came from. The term African-American does not necessarily imply a common plight between members of the diaspora in America and continental Africans. Of course there is a common thread, but that term does not imply it.

And where did I assume what color your skin is? I said nothing about your skin. It'd be hard for me to be "racist", being as though I completely reject the entire concept of race as invalid.

I think that there will be less fuzz in a couple of centuries, if all goes well, when all ethnical groups will be respectively well represented within governments of healthy countries they would belong to.

Arbre, you raise good points, and for the most part I agree with what you're saying. I can assure you that what I "preach" is accurate, both from personal experience, anecdotal evidence, and my extensive research on the subject. In any case, one can only hope that your sense of what will happen in the future is accurate. Time will tell...

And with that, I respectfully withdraw from this conversation. Peace.

 

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