And, you know, the parts about the girls using hypersexualized dance moves and the [spoil] scene when one of the girls starts taking her clothes off[/spoil]
How much of the movie did you see?
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Hmm, ok, well my point is that you not only need consent but informed consent, which is decidedly hard to get from both parties on topic and even harder to show to a 3rd party.
This is a weird hill to die on, really I don't understand the appeal of drawing the line here. It should have been drawn about two or three decades ago.
There's worse out there, and had been, for example Denmark became a hub of international pedophilia in the 70s. A renowned porn production company made films with kids 12, 10, 7 years old, with titles like "Sucking Daddy" and "Child Love".
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Nickelodeon and Rob Schneider, Charlie Sheen's proclivity for kids, a lot of stuff is out there, and people choose to popularize this French flick... uh.
There's worse out there, and had been, for example Denmark became a hub of international pedophilia in the 70s. A renowned porn production company made films with kids 12, 10, 7 years old, with titles like "Sucking Daddy" and "Child Love".
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All of it. The move where she didn't actually take off any clothing, she didn't even pull anything down at all there, and that entire scene was completely blown out of context. The guy stopped her the second she started and made it clear that was not appropriate. She was confused because her own mother and aunt told her she was a woman because she started her period, but yet everyone still treats her like a kid. That was the point. The point being that this time in a girls life is a difficult struggle between being a child and turning into a woman. It wasn't actually about sex and there was not sex taking place. It was a confused girl acting like a confused girl not understanding whether she was a kid or an adult yet, but obviously doing exactly what a kid would do during the entire situation due to her not understanding what it even means to be an adult yet. There is nothing that should be censored in that scene, as that is something girls her age can actually relate to rather than being something that would cause emotional harm. The parental religious abuse OTOH can cause actual psychological harm.
"Hypersexualized" tbh is really some serious BS. It is like somehow wrong or shameful for girls to have a sex drive or something or they should be shamed of their bodies. But the reality here is that dance =\= intercourse. I have an extremely high sex drive, MUCH higher than most even consider "high" ,yet dancing doesn't make me think of sex either. I was never told to be ashamed of sexual pleasure or masturbation as a kid and yea I did more than my fair share of it, HOWEVER, dancing is not related to that no matter how sexy someone else thinks it is. It isn't actually about sex at all is the issue here. That isn't what girls themselves are thinking about while they are dancing. This is important because if they say " they are ignorant of how this impacts others" it is just projecting others thoughts on to them rather than expecting others to be responsible for their own thoughts. If you have creeps fetishizing baseball players and that the kids don't realize how sexy they are in those tight pants BS are we going to go police them as well? This is no different. You hold those who are thinking those things about the kids accountable, not the kids. I don't see this as sexual because I don't see kids as sexual. If you see them as sexual, that is on you to correct, not them. Don't punish kids for your own thoughts. Telling kids " Put that away dear, Daddy has a dirty mind" is WRONG. If Daddy thinks that is sexy, daddy needs to check himself instead.
It is like they expect girls to exist in a bubble separate from everyone else and the rest of life. It doesn't work that way. See the problem here is the way you view what is happening rather than what is actually happening. Let the girls be girls. Growing up we danced, we had fun, we enjoyed gymnastics, dance, and goofing off doing acrobatics on trapeze and "pole dancing" on the tetherball pole on the school playground. You see this as something being imposed upon the kids, I see the ONLY thing being imposed upon the kids here are these ignorant religious extremist beliefs and done so in both a physically and emotionally abusive manner, which is considered extremely wrong and illegal where I come from to do so at all. Indoctrination of children into religious beliefs is wrong.
Girls dancing, goofing off and being girls is not. People really need to stop trying to police everything girls do.
Girls dancing are not shameful or wrong, to make it worse, some see what girls actually do in reality as being worse than all the portrayals of violence and murder in the media. This goes back to religions teaching it was okay to stone someone to death but to not have a sex drive. It was stupid then and it is stupid now.
Also this is no different than what girls do here all the time on their own as well and it isn't wrong here either.
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And to make it clear, kids should be free to express themselves and develop their own sexual identity, but displaying that in a live-action movie should be treated with a lot more caution than Cuties appears to be doing. They took a lot of caution (unless the director, producers and casting...
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Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
And to make it clear, kids should be free to express themselves and develop their own sexual identity, but displaying that in a live-action movie should be treated with a lot more caution than Cuties appears to be doing. They took a lot of caution (unless the director, producers and casting...
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Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
Yes. You need more context than "dance competitions" before you can draw the line between what sort of outfit isn't acceptable for a dance competition? I don't believe you.
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Definitely an extremist to strip your kid down to their underwear and throw water on them while shivering while chanting, then call in an exorcist. That is pretty extreme. If I found out about such happening, I would be required by law to contact child protective services. That is clear emotional and physical abuse.
Oh, she's seen it. I could presume that she's so hard on this based on her comments because religion is involved and so anything is good so long as it's sticking it to an Abrahamic religion.
That has nothing to do with it. The vast majority of my friends are Christians. I don't care what religion it is, abusing kids is not okay.
Girls dancing =\= abuse. Stripping a girl to her underwear and throwing water on her while she is shivering chanting at her = seriously screwed up abuse. Not hard to figure out.
My closest friend in this world is actually pentecostal. When I went to church with her they did that weird " talking in tongue thing". She would never do this or allow anyone else to do this to her kids however, because abusing kids is wrong. You do not have to abuse your kids to be Christian. Jesus didn't abuse kids either.
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I watched the scene. If that's abuse, then telling a child to go stand in the corner is also "seriously screwed up abuse".
I'm circumcised, and I don't feel like I was abused, so no. Would I circumcise my child? I would have to read up on the pros and cons first.
It's kind of a "if a tree falls in the forest" scenario. If someone doesn't feel abused, were they abused?
Conversely, a child might not want something done to him, like being told to stand in the corner, but that doesn't mean it's abuse to make a child a little unhappy.
This whole argument reminds me of the Victorian anti masturbation devices because god forbid you accidently walk in on someone masturbating! The horror! Their solution of course to their prudish offence at the human body was to disfigure people through torture devices..
Oh look at the extremes they went though to body police boys and young men!
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Sure is a good thing they stopped trying to body police kids now isn't it? What is even worse about this is that what the girls are doing isn't even involving sex or masturbation, they are just DANCING. The horror!
I can't even imagine what some of their reaction would be to the fact that mothers often buy their daughters sex toys so they will be able to better address their personal needs and not have to resort to actual sex to sooth their urges. If more parents did that, we likely would have a lot less teenage pregnancies.
Oh look at the extremes they went though to body police boys and young men!
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Sure is a good thing they stopped trying to body police kids now isn't it? What is even worse about this is that what the girls are doing isn't even involving sex or masturbation, they are just DANCING. The horror!
I can't even imagine what some of their reaction would be to the fact that mothers often buy their daughters sex toys so they will be able to better address their personal needs and not have to resort to actual sex to sooth their urges. If more parents did that, we likely would have a lot less teenage pregnancies.
This whole argument reminds me of the Victorian anti masturbation devices because god forbid you accidently walk in on someone masturbating! The horror! Their solution of course to their prudish offence at the human body was to disfigure people through torture devices..
Oh look at the extremes they went though to body police boys and young men!
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Sure is a good thing they stopped trying to body police kids now isn't it? What is even worse about this is that what the girls are doing isn't even involving sex or masturbation, they are just DANCING. The horror!
I can't even imagine what some of their reaction would be to the fact that mothers often buy their daughters sex toys so they will be able to better address their personal needs and not have to resort to actual sex to sooth their urges. If more parents did that, we likely would have a lot less teenage pregnancies.
Yea, that works so very well. It is a wonder why teenage pregnancies were so ridiculously high while they taught that method alone. Go figure. You act like this hasn't been tried and failed before. LMAO
Abstinence-Only Education Is Ineffective And Unethical, Report Argues
Researchers say that programs advocating abstinence until marriage fail to get teens to delay sexual activity and also prevent them from getting important information about pregnancy and STDs.
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Experts say sex abstinence program doesn't work
Programs teaching U.S. schoolchildren to abstain from sex have not cut teen pregnancies or sexually transmitted diseases or delayed the age at which sex begins, health groups told Congress on Wednesday.
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Because self-control is hard, especially when there is no self-motivated desire for it.
A bunch of people TELLING you to have self-control doesn't work. You have to want it.
You are talking about kids and teens who have their judgement control centers of their brain essentially shut down during puberty.
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Your proposal isn't a proposal at all. You are saying we should somehow make them WANT to suppress their urges. You accomplish this how? By shaming them into compliance? All this nonsense instead of just telling them the truth and that it is normal and healthy and giving them the knowledge and skills to relieve their urges themselves rather than them just have " accidental" orgasms at the most inappropriate moments like in the middle of class or the vibrations from the school bus. Do you just have no sex drive at all and not understand how the human body works here? It doesn't just go away, " It builds up" until it releases one way or another. Your suggestion not only does not work and is unrealistic, it doesn't stop it from happening anyhow at all. You really are afraid of sex so much you can't even handle people taking care of their business in private as well? You need help.
So, the entire programs that try to teach teens abstinency, rather than using protection are pojntless then?
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