Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"

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Eh, I've never been a fan of JP, but most metal bands were never my jam. But I did love driving a remote control Knight Rider car in Watchdogs 2, while blaring Turbolover. That was just too damn fun.
Yea.. I just .. can't.

I Love remote control vehicles though.. My airsoft tank is the best by far.. but I would listen to this while shooting things with it instead:
 

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Yea.. I just .. can't.

I Love remote control vehicles though.. My airsoft tank is the best by far.. but I would listen to this while shooting things with it instead:
That's fine, walk out you drama queen!! :p

I mean it's not that I LIKE the song, I just find it funny as a set piece for the car sequence in that game. I honestly don't know a full JP song at all, I think that is the only one I've ever heard in it's entirety. Like, I've heard bits of breaking the law for years, thanks to beavis and butthead. You can dislike that song/album/band all you want, I'm not trying to convert you.
 

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That's fine, walk out you drama queen!!

I mean it's not that I LIKE the song, I just find it funny as a set piece for the car sequence in that game. I honestly don't know a full JP song at all, I think that is the only one I've ever heard in it's entirety. Like, I've heard bits of breaking the law for years, thanks to beavis and butthead. You can dislike that song/album/band all you want, I'm not trying to convert you.
I would just use my airsoft vehicle and use it to shoot whatever is playing that mess until it doesn't anymore. XD

For some reason this makes me want to go build a battle bot to go mess stuff up..

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I don't get the reference.
Danyl was a guy who was banned from old escapist for his endless rants about why beastiality should be legal.. Anyone who was in R&P there at the time would never be able to forget him..LOL
 

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Is bestiality actually bad? I mean there is the 'eww' factor but is it actually damaging? Considering all the things we do to animals, it seems like fucking them would be on the less fucked up side. I guess there is the consent issue and power dynamic.
Dude, are you pathologically incapable of not talking about your fetishes?
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Danyl was a guy who was banned from old escapist for his endless rants about why beastiality should be legal.. Anyone who was in R&P there at the time would never be able to forget him..LOL
Oddly enough I don't remember him at all and I did use to argue there a decent amount.

Dude, are you pathologically incapable of not talking about your fetishes?
I have an idea, why don't you go fuck off and cry in your boyfriends lap while you both lament that neither of you knows why pedophilia is bad.
 

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My what a strange place this thread turned into...
I brought popcorn. You want yours salty or sweet?

Dude, are you pathologically incapable of not talking about your fetishes?
Being pathologically incapable of not talking about their fetishes is a furry staple, Ewok. Don't be too harsh on the lad, he just needs his medicinal video tape.
 
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To no one's surprise, this thread exploded, so sorry for late responses.
No, I cannot agree to that at all. If anything, they attempted to make religious extremists abuse somehow excusable or some BS, when it is anything but. I don't think this movie was made attractive to creeps either, and see that as a pretty stupid interpretation of it, as that really has no impact on their intentions, and see that entire narrative as being pretty manufactured tbh. It honestly doesn't make sense to even view it like that from actually viewing it..
Nowhere i said it was made to appeal to creeps. What i said is, that in spite of director's intention, it's possible for this film to have scenes that can make child predators cream themselves.
If it doesn't, that's fine.
To get it out of the way, I haven't watched the movie(for various reasons besides not wanting to end up on a watchlist), so i can't discuss about the movie itself, rather the discourse that surrounds it.

Point being, despite best intentions you can still create a movie that comes off as exploitative.
 

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I have an idea, why don't you go fuck off and cry in your boyfriends lap while you both lament that neither of you knows why pedophilia is bad.
My boyfriends and I are pretty aware of why such things are wrong. The only thing we’re lamenting is your garbage posts.
 
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Whatever, just wash your hands.
My boyfriends and I are pretty aware of why such things are wrong. The only thing we’re lamenting is your garbage posts.
Wait, so now you fox and wok are all in a gay relationship? Damn, you guys have horrible taste.
 

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Degeneracy spreads and erodes morals gradually over time. In another 50 years we'll lower the age of consent to 10 and work on legalizing bestiality, if humanity is still here. I'm exaggerating... or am I?
Yes, you are exaggerating. AOC laws are a recently new thing, and other things like older men marrying much younger women are becoming less socially acceptable, not more.
In fact I wouldn't reject the possibility for a push for setting AOC even higher, somewhere in the future. Based on a human brain supposedly maturing halfway through one's twenties.
(Side note: Although this would also likely entail discussion about voting age/draft age etc.)

Girls ready to being "reaped" once they hit puberty, was something way more normal in the "good ol' times".


Is bestiality actually bad?
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...Yes??

Two things can be wrong at the same time. Just because meat industry is cruel, doesn't justify litteraly screwing the pooch.
 
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A) Revy is more like our stalker
B) Wow, rude
Extremely rude for you to refer to me as such, I am genuinely upset.
Wait, so now you fox and wok are all in a gay relationship? Damn, you guys have horrible taste.
Well, I can safely say none of us have made an even half serious defense of child porn or beastiality, so I think our taste is at least preferable.
 
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I feel the need to ruin this for everyone by reminding people that Léon The Professional is surprisingly paedophile friendly, he rejects her constantly thoughout the film, sure, but by the end he calls her love and scenes throughout the film have Mathilda engage in a lot of sexual behaviour, which is to say insinuating herself to Léon, supposedly under the pretence that she's trying to act like an adult, but if we take context into account and the fact that the director of the film Jean-Luc Besson was dating a 15 year old girl at the time of filming with which she had a child by next year, the real disturbing context of the film surfaces, in which it's trying to portray romantically the relationship between an almost middle aged man and a 12-year old girl.

So yeah, while the film can definitely be read as you describe, I don't think choosing a film that portrays a romantic relationship between a child and an adult in a mostly positive manner that was directed by an actual paedophile is like a great choice on how to handle these things tastefully.

BTW, I don't give a shit that the age of consent in France is 15, it doesn't make him any less of a paedophile.
Could be wrong, but I always saw the relationship between Leon And Mathilda as a paternal one.

Mathilda came from a very damaged home, one in which she felt marginalized if not outright neglected as evidenced during the scene where she first encounters Leon after her family is slaughtered; the only person she feels any loss for is her baby brother.

Leon is the stoic hitman who's come to terms with his lot in life, lonely (or alone) by design, keeping to routines of Spartan simplicity until "business" has to be conducted where his only rule is "no women, no kids."

Suddenly this child in dire need is thrust upon him at a very tense moment, and even then, he considers what it means to upset his routine to help her and get involved. He reluctantly takes her in with the plan to offload her when appropriate, but circumstance dictate that that's to be later rather than sooner. They form bonds as he begins to feel "something" outside of cold, methodical calculation in pursuit of his profession again, and she begins to experience what it feels like to actually matter to someone, to be cared for.

Now, I'm not a young girl, but I've heard tell that young women from troubled homes/situations often try to compensate for damaged emotions and mental states in sometimes not so healthy ways, one of them being unmerited (and unwarranted) attraction to those who demonstrate value in their particular emotional voids, and that can lead them to further misconstrue their own feelings and act inappropriately. There's no doubt Mathilda loved Leon, but I think she misinterpreted it as the romantic love between a man and a women when in fact it was her desire for the love of a father. She tried to prove herself a worthy "lover" by demonstrating her adult side with romantic intimations, obedience, and even wanting to learn to be a "cleaner" like Leon. And I think for Leon's part, he intuited this in some way (being a stranger to certain softer emotions,) but I don't think he was reigning in any unethical desire to requite or take advantage of her; you see in the scene I posted, he's visibly uncomfortable with her sultry advances, and this moment is used specifically to add levity to the otherwise austere film. I think his struggle was more with the idea of his life being irrevocably altered, for the better, having to care for this child he's grown to love as a surrogate father.

I guess if one wanted, they could read into their more intimate exchanges and interpret under/overtones of pedophilia, but given the general universal praise for the film with some not-so-small names in it, I doubt they could have passed that one off as a [then] modern day "Lolita" without a lot of controversy.

TL;DR? Leon loved Mathilda as a daughter he never knew he could handle, and she him as the father she never knew she could have.
 
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Is bestiality actually bad? I mean there is the 'eww' factor but is it actually damaging? Considering all the things we do to animals, it seems like fucking them would be on the less fucked up side. I guess there is the consent issue and power dynamic.
Thinking back to older discussions-- involving, yes, Danayl, I think was the spelling-- I think the main thing is that, compared to eating animals, fucking them seems very gratuitous. Perhaps the best moral argument against it actually comes from virtue ethics, which I hesitate to ever endorse-- and makes me a bit skeptical, actually. But essentially, extending from the above, you don't want to be the kind of person that does that sort of thing. Whereas eating a hot dog? That's whatever. Like wow, you eat nutritious things? Not exactly the makings of a horrible person. This argument doesn't have much force against 'Cuties', so far as I'm aware, because making questionable decisions with respect to making a movie is pretty normal among people who make movies and not usually regarded as morally outrageous. And also all the stuff lil devils x posted that make it clear that young children are often generating wank material for pedos (not intentionally, obviously) pretty viciously undermines the argument from virtue ethics because now you're arguing with an entire normalized practice.

Virtue ethics does seem pretty good at justifying existing cultural norms (and very weak at condemning them). In any case, the safest thing is to err on the side of not doing these various questionable sexual things. No real need to worry about whether some specific case is reaaaaaaally wrong from a(n act) utilitarian standpoint-- whether it is harmful in its particular consequences-- if you just confine your sexual activity to consenting human adults. And that's the rule utilitarian argument (which I'd characterize as more practical than moral) against bestiality and may well be extended to various arguably sexual depictions of children. Not having watched 'Cuties', I won't opine on whether I think the rule utilitarian argument extends to condemning that. I will say, though, that it seems like there is a bit of moral panic going on over the whole subject, some of it well justified but probably not all of it.
 
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