New Extra Credits is up

[Geo Da Sponge]

I think what could work is if, in addition to what was said in the video, players had a larger points total to draw from the longer they'd been playing, like the system used in online poker. When you fight with, say, a 1500 point army you are effectively 'wagering' it against your opponents. This would mean that longer-term players could take part in more apocalyptic games, adding a brilliant incentive to continue playing. It would still have to be set up so that you would almost certainly get more points from playing and losing than from not playing at all, as you wouldn't want to lose less capable players.

Well, shit.

I'm not too familiar with IP or copyright laws (read: "not at all"), but since they're not getting paid for it, I think they'll be safe.

Youtube ads, they're getting paid.

They won't get money from ads unless they get a Partner Account. They won't get that unless they consistantly pull in thousands of viewers and for an account with 1 video that is still a while off.

On the contrary, I was offered a Youtube partnership for a video with barely 10,000 views.

 

[Okysho]

why not put the whole thing in space? you have a mothership/fleet and harvest resources by building outposts on asteroids/planets and the units are limited by the space in dropships and the number of dropships a combat zone can support. You even can explain what happens to the fleet when you log out, space is big and you are invisibly when not moving.
and for some reason there are no ship-to-ship weapons.

I was thinking something like this, but instead you have a planet rather than a mothership (eliminating the ship-to-ship weapon thing)

 

[targren]

is it just me, or did they leave one site where the "only sometimes got paid" and joined a site where they won't get paid at all, only to have someone repost the same material on the original site anyway, deliberately depriving that site of ad revenue thereby influencing it's ability to pay other contributers, potentially giving rise to similar problems, rinse, repeat, etc?

seems like kind of a dick move more than anything else

in either case... great video, if somewhat idealistic, as per usual

No. It's just you. With the loss of the infrastructure needed to host their videos, and the fact that they don't have their own, they had to find somewhere else with the infrastructure to host videos.

Surprise, that's what YouTube was made for.

 

[Tanis]

I really would love to see a 4X MMO myself.

Nothing against RTS, but I think a 4X - set in space - would work better.

You'd start off in your own little solar system and go from there.
Setting up whole galaxies to control.

 

[DuelLadyS]

Oh this is not what I wanted AT ALL!! I want Extra Credits and the Escapist to resolve their differences, realize they ARE in fact fighting for the same cause (that is the advancement of Gaming as a medium, no matter how difficult the journey) and continue to work together with mutual understanding!
Please James, if you read this: I know you're mad, and I COMPLETELY understand.....but give them another shot. Try and works things out. I'll beg on your metaphorical internet feet!

I understand how you feel... honestly, I'd rather EC remain a part of my daily Escapist wanderings... but I also understand there's a lot more at play here than a 'kiss and make up' can handle. I'll settle for EC continuing in any form, and perhaps someday everyone will get their ducks in a row that we can see the Escapist relationship repaired.

In the meanwhile, I have to do check out the early EC Youtube videos I didn't know existed until today. Finally, someone tells me excactly what the Uncanny Valley is!

 

[Dr Snakeman]

Like I said in the main thread:

Anyone who watches the video and likes what they see should subscribe. They only have 3,503 subscribers right now, which is NO WHERE NEAR enough to get a Youtube Partnership and start running ads on the videos, if they want to keep getting paid for them.

If they're just fishing for a new publisher, than maybe it's not as important, but if they stay on Youtube for any length of time, they need to collect more views/subscribers.

Quoted for truth. If they're going to make money, they need a partnership, and for that, they need subscribers. Do your part.

Oh, and I've calmed down significantly since yesterday. I'm not dumping this site just because of a business dispute. I mean, I'm still not a fan of the Escapist brass, but that's no reason to forsake MovieBob's musings and Yahtzee's profanity-soaked fury.

 

[teebeeohh]

why not put the whole thing in space? you have a mothership/fleet and harvest resources by building outposts on asteroids/planets and the units are limited by the space in dropships and the number of dropships a combat zone can support. You even can explain what happens to the fleet when you log out, space is big and you are invisibly when not moving.
and for some reason there are no ship-to-ship weapons.

I was thinking something like this, but instead you have a planet rather than a mothership (eliminating the ship-to-ship weapon thing)

and portals get your troops to a new destination?
that's even better, when you are offline so is the portal on your planet and you can't be attacked.

 

[JaceArveduin]

I'm surprised they didn't mention Saga, it was pretty good, though if memory serves they refused to get a publisher or something and wasn't able to get the funding to add too much, and a small player base.

Though the RTS part of Saga did feel clumsy to me (then again, I'd been playing BFME2)

 

[Okysho]

why not put the whole thing in space? you have a mothership/fleet and harvest resources by building outposts on asteroids/planets and the units are limited by the space in dropships and the number of dropships a combat zone can support. You even can explain what happens to the fleet when you log out, space is big and you are invisibly when not moving.
and for some reason there are no ship-to-ship weapons.

I was thinking something like this, but instead you have a planet rather than a mothership (eliminating the ship-to-ship weapon thing)

and portals get your troops to a new destination?
that's even better, when you are offline so is the portal on your planet and you can't be attacked.

Didn't think that far ahead, but that's a good premise there. Motherships would probably stand better as units rather than bases anyways, opening the doors for multiple fleets (Galactic Empire anyone?)

I'm reminded now of Star Wars Empire at war (on the premise, not really the execution) Where they had land and ground battles where orbital defenses needed to be pierced in order to start planatary invasions and such as opposed to maybe "oops I blew up the fleet around your planet now it's mine" It can add a lot of depth, though probably a lot of extra work...

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

Hmmm Bacon vs Narwhal. Not a match-up I'd ever personally considered. I'm gonna have to give this one to narwhal. But then again, who knows what the criteria is.

I don't know about you, but that just makes me want Narwhal bacon, mmm tastes like endangerment.

 

[MordinSolus]

Oh, good. I didn't think I'd find this.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Oh god... so much bettwer quality than the escapist vids (in terms of video and sound quality, not content) Im sorry but it is. Its just so jarring to realise how poor the uploads have had to be here.

Seems a bit soon for a new vid after the whole implosion thing but i guess its saying "We are still here without you **finger**" and i guess they are still dedicated to weekly vids.

more like they already had some eps finished, and they have fans that would be disappointed to not have a new vid despite the current cluster fuck

interesting topic though >.> i know people that would be interested in this

 

[geK0]

So... They don't own the IP, but, are doing it anyway.


What could possibly go wrong.

Well, it's Extra Creditz now as opposed to Extra Credits. Even one letter can make a difference. Capitalism's a *****, ain't it?

Extra Credit(z) can do this but Mojang is getting sued for using the word 'scrolls'?
I really don't understand copyright law....

 

[squid5580]

Show's just as great as before it seems, thankfully. Good on the EC crew; they seem determined to keep the show going despite all this shitstorm spinning around the escapist.

Liked the episode, too. I've always wondered how different kinds of mmos (besides the ever popular RPG) could work with different genres. The "limited resources per battle" model seems like it'd have potential. Though I feel they *could* make an mmorts somewhat like starcraft in that the instanced battles they mentioned could have resource gathering, but the resources gathered in instanced battles wouldn't carry over. Just a thought.

Wouldn't that just confuse players and eventually divide the community anyways? Not to mention cause the devs a huge headache by having to create 2 different games within a single game. Why would a player venture into the other if they are good at one and not so good at the other? It would lead to half the community (give or take) playing it solo until they lost interest since there would be no overarching story to carry them through it.

 

[SHIFTYMACO]

snip

Not necessarily, Extra credits owns the rights to their own work unless otherwise agreed upon when the show began. EG. a TV station doesn't own the programs they run unless they created the programs in-house. But A graphic designer doesn't own the artwork they create when the are working for a design company.
I don't know the situation but yeah. its all unfortunate.

 

[Kopikatsu]

snip

Not necessarily, Extra credits owns the rights to their own work unless otherwise agreed upon when the show began. EG. a TV station doesn't own the programs they run unless they created the programs in-house. But A graphic designer doesn't own the artwork they create when the are working for a design company.
I don't know the situation but yeah. its all unfortunate.

That's what the IP is- Intellectual Property. It's basically ownership.

 

[Eisenfaust]

is it just me, or did they leave one site where the "only sometimes got paid" and joined a site where they won't get paid at all, only to have someone repost the same material on the original site anyway, deliberately depriving that site of ad revenue thereby influencing it's ability to pay other contributers, potentially giving rise to similar problems, rinse, repeat, etc?

seems like kind of a dick move more than anything else

in either case... great video, if somewhat idealistic, as per usual

No. It's just you. With the loss of the infrastructure needed to host their videos, and the fact that they don't have their own, they had to find somewhere else with the infrastructure to host videos.

Surprise, that's what YouTube was made for.

so what you're saying is... yes, they did leave one site where the "only sometimes got paid" and joined a site where they won't get paid at all... which is exactly what i said... so it's not just me! hey there!

(also keeping in mind that the "loss of infrastructure" was more like "abandoning infrastructure that works quite well", essentially changing it from "we went here because we had to" to "we went here because we could", which sort of reinforces my point...)