Ninja Theory: Devil May Cry Skeptics "Secretly Want to Like It"

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After I heard that Dante's mother was going to be an angel I just said "Screw it! These guys know NOTHING about Devil May Cry!"

Why am I saying this? Let me elaborate. Note how the series is called "Devil May Cry". This is a refrence that in the games, devils do not cry, humans cry. Dante (as in the REAL Dante)considers that his ability to cry makes him him more of a human than demon. He also will not kill any demon who "cries" and or shows signs of being more like a human. If Dante is no longer human at all, then this series cannot be "Devil May Cry". Hell, they might as well it the "Adventures of Captain Scowly Face" for all I care.

I honestly doubt Ninja Theory has seen the ending to Devil May Cry 3...

On an unrelated note, Angels = Good, Demons = Bad... I'm smelling a MORAL CHOICE SYSTEM!!!
 

ShindoL Shill

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see he used to be a studmuffin.
now he's barely a smutscone.

now i'm going to dust my PS2 twice, plug things in and play the original, the way i like him.

VGC USpartan VS said:
After I heard that Dante's mother was going to be an angel I just said "Screw it! These guys know NOTHING about Devil May Cry!"

Why am I saying this? Let me elaborate. Note how the series is called "Devil May Cry". This is a refrence that in the games, devils do not cry, humans cry. Dante (as in the REAL Dante)considers that his ability to cry makes him him more of a human than demon. He also will not kill any demon who "cries" and or shows signs of being more like a human.

I honestly doubt Ninja Theory has seen the ending to Devil May Cry 3...
holy shit seriously? i hadnt heard that. fucking hell.

and the ending of DMC3 is probably the first time i felt massive emotion during a game.

WHY ARE YOU RUINING MY CHILDHOOD, WORLD!?
 

HerbertTheHamster

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Maybe if your company had made anything other than completely unplayable pieces of shit your opinion would hold more weight.
 

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The new char. design doesnt bother me none. Know why? Because they are backtracking with the story. But that (backtracking) does bother the ever flowing liquid shit out of me. Finish the story! Kill Dante, have Dante murder Mundus with a happy little cut sceen at the end where he is wearing a crown and sitting on the Throne of Hell. Leave it open ended, I dont give a fcuk. DMC 3 was already an 'origin' story, and IMO it was the best of the series. The cut-sceens were energetic and fun, Dante was smug but not 8th Grade EMO about it, the whole thing was just a delight to play through. Every single cut sceen in DMC 3 had a number hidden somewhere to indicate which cut sceen it was (in the 9th cut sceen the camera zooms in close to the spent casing of either Ebony or Ivory with the words '9mm' stamped into the brass). I'm not sure if they did that in the previous DMC games, but when I figured it out I played through the game JUST to see the next sceen and spot the number.
DMC3...the origin story.
If a company keeps on making 'origin' stories it is serverly limiting to what they can and can't do. In DMC3 Dante uses his 'Devil Trigger' for the VERY first time...ever. That means there will be no devil trigger in this next itteration, or...OR...there will be an extremly cheesy explination that will cheapen the whole continuity. Not just in the respect to Devil Trigger, but pretty much to everything else really. Personally I believe that this game should be a parallel story that may someday arc into Dante's story. Or...OR...if they have blue balls to do yet ANOTHER origin story...why not do Virgil. I'm sure loads of ppl think he is an interesting character, and NOBODY would EVER ***** if an origin of Virgil looked like the 'goth kid next door'.
 

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I do like devil may cry, just not the new one. Also not a very good thing to say to your fans...
 

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HerbertTheHamster said:
Maybe if your company had made anything other than completely unplayable pieces of shit your opinion would hold more weight.
This is really the thing that Ninja Theory knows is the important one, but doesn't want to make it the issue.
 

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If an editorial piece told me that I might secretly like "DmC" or how I should give it a chance, then, yeah that could be a interesting article. Truth be told I think conceptually a prequel about how he gets his demon powers (related to his white hair, I guess?) sounds fairly solid, and the gameplay trailer was kind of interesting in it's own way. However, since this is coming from the DEVELOPERS it just sounds ridiculously smug and over confident and makes me question the quality of the final product.
 

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I was skeptical at first with dante's look but then after thinking on how he may of lived when he was orphaned after his mum was killed and virgil went missing for like 12 years i thought "hey, he could of easily dyed his hair to fit in with society, after being made fun of by other orphans and having pretty much no love from anyone."

but as the gameplay trailers came out (which felt really slow) and it was revealed that Dante's mum is now a angel, i've lost all interest in it. it doesn't help that their other two games (heavenly sword and enslaved) had similar poor gameplay choices and technical problems.

they may write a good story for it but if it doesn't feel like Devil May Cry then there is no point.

I really don't like what they have done with the IP and if i do get this game it will be pre-owned. i'm not giving team ninja any money.
 

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Oh I'm looking forward to it, I'm just worried at the prospect of this being a complete reboot as opposed to a prequel. I can forgive the hair, especially since his hair changes as his power awakens.
A thing that bugged me about #3 though that bugs me with this one too is, in the first game it was a BIG revelation that Dante was near-invulnerable, when the sword impaled him and he just got back up from it, but in 3 Dante was for some reason even more powerful and skilled than at the castle later. Also, Dante discovered his devil trigger in 1, how is it that he has one in 3? I understand improving gameplay with every installment, but seriously...
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
/snip'd

Away from all the needless bitching, moaning and general hatery surrounding the game, I found this article somewhat illuminating.
Eh, still liked Nero better. I'll have you know that my sarcasm detector is really quite first rate, but you seemed to have chaff'd my sensors.

I think the point was not that bad writing makes it good, it's just that sometimes it can add a...how shall we say, a quantum of something. The original DMC games were so over the top action that the only thing that could accompany it was over the top dialogue, like a big hammy play. Surely you've seen anything done by Sir Alfred Pacino in the last 10 years*; it just kind of matched the tone. Dante thought he was a super hero, acted like it aaaand that included talking like it, all 100% irony free. Also, capcom has the worst dialogue writers IN THE WORLD so for once they were playing to their strengths.

*This one is my favorite.
 

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Salad Is Murder said:
*This one is my favorite.
Goddamn I love Heat. DMC's writing was like a fun action movie like Die Hard or Lethal Weapon. It KNOWS what it is and has fun with it. NT's writing, tragically, is not much better than DMC's, not by a LONG shot. It's just more full of itself and snobbish which makes it all the more pathetic.
 

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Aiddon said:
Salad Is Murder said:
*This one is my favorite.
Goddamn I love Heat. DMC's writing was like a fun action movie like Die Hard or Lethal Weapon. It KNOWS what it is and has fun with it. NT's writing, tragically, is not much better than DMC's, not by a LONG shot. It's just more full of itself and snobbish which makes it all the more pathetic.
You know what, I have to say, because now you put that idea in my head http://inception.davepedu.com/ but: I never once considered that someone would actually write worse dialogue than capcom in a DMC game...but now I have...and the future is fucking terrifying.
 

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I dunno, this is the part where personal preference starts muddying things up. I view the old Dante as a weird combination of a pretty-boy model who happens to kick ass, and the current one as an ass-kicker who happens to look slightly effeminate in a gruff body.
Really? I see the new one as just... off looking. Maybe not for a different series but for DMC, no thank you. I'm not entirely against it but from what I've seen, it makes things just look wrong. I think part of the original Dante look was for him to be... somewhat unassuming. In DMC2 they made the mistake of having Dante as, surprise surprise, a brooding badass and that's all he came across as. Just look here. [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kF3J2soAXgo/TTaw-oTrSJI/AAAAAAAABq4/bq-yhxj35To/s1600/dante-devil-may-cry-newanimationworld.jpg] It felt like it was trying too hard. Dante in 1, 3 and 4 all have a cocky attitude and dont' really look at all like they'd kick ass. The new one looks like DMC2 Dante; trying too hard. And even though, yes there has been very limited footage, the first trailer alone is enough to safely assume they're going for a "darker/grittier" feel.

And he may very well still be a fun character. He looks like it, but his actual personality has never been shown. I recall someone showing a screenshot in the previous DMC thread on this where it showed Dante smiling. I dunno if that really helps, but there's more to the character than looks, and that's all we've really seen so far.
Yeah, I saw that too and while it isn't very clear, if it turns out that Dante's just as fun of a character as ever, I'll be happy but it seems they're going the route of "Total badass" here rather than what Dante was which was more fun. But like I said, this Dante in both trailers looks like an angst ridden teen. The whole bit of being locked up in a prison cell doesn't help getting the more "fun" feel of the original games back either.

If you are willing, I would recommened to at least try Enslaved, if only to really gauge how NT might approach this (though from what I've seen, the new DMC doesn't seem to be that similar to it). I will say, while it wasn't especially deep or anything, it did have a satisfying feel to it. People are always citing Heavenly Sword, but I find it a bit unfair considering it was a launch title for the PS3 where NT didn't have much experience.

Who knows, third time's the charm?
Like I said to another person, I have Enslaved. I just can't seem to play it. I mean I physically can't since it won't work on my harddrive. Takes up too much space it seems. But I never bothered with it and will probably end up selling it here soon. I have seen footage of it and, while I will say the graphics are impressive, it seems bogged down by petty problems of environment issues and rather bland gameplay though I can't speak from experience.

But from looking at this new gameplay trailer, it looks to me that NT is making the same mistakes not only found in Enslaved but in DMC2 as well. From what I can tell... they're remaking DMC thinking DMC2 was the best and copying that. Two of the biggest complaints were for Dante's shift in character and the environments feeling, "Uninspired... and trading detail for open space."

Not saying this will once again be a problem but it almost seems like NT is purposefully going with the main critiques of the series, and making it the main points of their game.

And that is just fine. If the game doesn't look like it'll be good to you, then don't get it, simple as that. Just don't go off saying how the game automatically sucks and how NT should go suck a million dicks for rhuining! the franchise or some BS.
Of course it's possible that this game will be good. I'm not outright saying "FUCK YOU YOU RUINED MY BELOVED!!"
I'm merely saying fuck you to Tameem Whateverthefuck for acting like an elitist asshole. Apparently pissing off the people you're trying to sell a game to is something to be proud of. Didn't know that.

But anyway, no I don't think they're going to ruin it. You can't ruin something in one game, no matter how bad it is. I, as of now, personally think this game has potential to be great but there are a fuckton of elements working against it. If it turns out to be terrible, then oh well. If it's good, then great! Another welcome addition to the DMC franchise. :D
 

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While Tameem is a pretentious wanker, I do actually like the look of the new DMC. Yeah Dante looks kinda stupid,but Ninja Theory do do some great writing.

Looking forwad to the new DMC!
 

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@j-e-f-f-e-r-s

What I meant is that the Devil May Cry series (usually) does not work when it's serious (see DMC2).

The Dark Knight is heads and shoulders above Batman & Robin, it's just the Devil May Cry series works better when campy and stupid.

In the first game, the writing was SO BAD that I was in stitches when Trish died! In the second game... eh the writing was slightly better but the game was so dark (literally, I had to turn my TVs brightness way up high)and serious that the humor in the campiness just wasn't easy to see. In the third game, they found middle ground and it all worked out. In the fourth game... it was pretty much the same.

The writing has improved, to a point where the bad writing and the good writing meet to form something really good. If you believe Devil May Cry is a "laughably written travesty of storytelling" through and through, then you obviously have not played Devil May Cry 3 or have seen the ending to said game.
 

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"Skeptics secretly agree with us. I know because the octopus that lives in my head told me so," and "30 is just as good as 60."

Riiiight.....

I think it's safe to call BS on this one.

If a dev wants to do something different with a game, fine, but don't try to claim to know more about people's opinion then they do. And definitely don't try to sell us some used car salesman line of less is more. Or in this case, just as good as more. I'm sorry, but that Civic is not going to ride as nice as a Porche.
 

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Mcoffey said:
Dante always kind of looked like a transsexual to me and since, as far as I know, being a cross dresser was never part of his character history, I can't really see where the problem is with this new interpretation of the character. It's a reboot right? Doesn't that imply changes to certain themes and tones? It's not like they're changing the character mid-series. The original Dante's story was finished. This is a completely new story.

But then again I've never really been interested in the Devil May Cry series to begin with so maybe that's why I'm not really up in arms about it. I suppose if Valve made Gordan Freeman look like Stevie Nicks I'd probably be a little upset too.
Well that's the entire point, people are mad because they don't want the reboot. The original story was never finished.