Nintendo Addresses "Misinterpreted" Watergate Joke in Paper Mario: Color Splash

[TheMysteriousGX]

Quinn? Go away.
I don't wish you harm. I don't wish you ill. But every time you shout something like this as wide as pssible, it becomes harder to buy the argument that you just want to be left alone.
Could you, maybe, I dunno, work on a *game*, just so maybe people could have something else to associate with you?

It's Twitter. If people didn't obsessively hate-follow her, she would be invisible.

Be the change you want to see.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Good on Nintendo for clarifying, and for calling GamerGate out as a hate campaign.

It's not that surprising for Quinn to jump at shadows considering everything that happened to her, so I can't say I blame her in that regard.

If she didn't "jump at shadows", she wouldn't be in the situation she put herself int. Quinn is a complete scumbag of a person, and the only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because she has tits.

Oh you've totally convinced me, with your great reasoning there. Just a shame owning those tits got her an inordinate amount of abuse that makes it a lot easier to sympathise with her.

That works better if you changed it to jump on shadows fyi.

No, she didn't get that abuse for having tits. She got the "abuse" for being a horrible person. There is a clear difference.
But since she has tits, she actually managed to pull the "sexism" card so doxxing people and doing a lot of other things isn't important. Think of the tits!

 

[Callate]

It's Twitter. If people didn't obsessively hate-follow her, she would be invisible.

Be the change you want to see.

Reasonable point. Though, for the record, I'm not on Twitter, and this kind of thing is partly why.

 

[Wrex Brogan]

-reads comments-

...jesus, no wonder she's jumping at this. For someone who 'doesn't matter' y'all are just chomping at the bit to heap shit on the pile. That kinda long-term hate is enough to make anyone suspicious of shit, just in case it's yet more fuel to the fire that everyone denies is still burning.

I don't even agree with her but fuck me guys, take the hate-boner down a couple notches, yeah? If it last longer than 4 hours, you're supposed to contact a trained medical professional, not swing it around an internet forum.

She took two out-of-context images, and put them together to imply a relationship that does not exist, and you call that being "suspicious of shit?" No, Wrex, that's not being suspicious of shit. It's disingenuous. It's misleading. It's a lie by omission.

You imply that she's been harassed long-term for one little thing. That's not the case. She's the recipient of social justice only when she does something to earn it. To wit: she's been left alone for a long time as she faded into obsolescence. Note the number of people in this thread who have expressed surprised that she's back on the radar. That's not the reaction of a community that's been hounding her from the beginning of time through the present. Good grief man.

...I miss when people wouldn't read into what I'm saying and instead read what I'm actually saying.

Anyway, 90sgamer, what I'm saying is that I understand why she's suspicious of this and jumping to conclusions. Did you miss the part where I said 'I don't even agree with her'? Because I don't. I don't think this was some vast effort on behalf of Nintendo to make a joke at her expense, but I can understand why she would think that because of the sheer volume of shit she's had to deal with over the years by people who 'don't care'. Shit, there's already a guy on the first page talking about how she's a rapist and several others continuing the 'five guys' thing, so... yeah.

Also, 'implied'? Let's not. What I'm saying is that for people who think she is meaningless, everyone who dislikes her seems to just be waiting to burst in and go 'MAN SHE'S SO IRRELEVANT AM I RIGHT GUYS???' at the slightest mentioning of her ever. REAL meaningless, if you've gotta bust down a door and scrabble over everyone else to proclaim how meaningless she is to you.

 

[Plucky]

The worst thing that other than the outcry from yet another untraditional Sticker Star-like Paper Mario, the whole reference is the only thing giving the game attention at all. i mean even now, the Mario & Luigi series is starting to stagnate to a degree since Dream Team and beyond. it's probably almost as worse as Fedaration Force at that point.

 

[Karadalis]

https://twitter.com/indiedevil/status/746249900854231040

I want to be opressed too! I too want 3.2 k per month for doing jack shit...

But sadly im a priviliged white male

Well i guess ZQ got what she wanted out of this. However that begs the question who is stupid enough to throw money at her? That woman hasnt done anything ever since depression quest... and even that wasnt really anything anyone could call themselves "game developer" over. Any RPG maker game has more scripting in it then that "game".

 

[Musou Sadie]

Quinn is either clinically delusional or simply an attention whore that exactly knew what the quote was about, but lost so much popularity after Gamergate won and went into hibernation (well part of it) that she looks out for every oppertunity to be recognized again (no matter how racist and sexist she looks like).
Nincenso should ahve said nothing, Quinn is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Gearran]

I think this is a good example of some people being far, far too oversensitive about certain things. While yes, Ms. Quinn's experience was horrible, this particular misunderstanding took actual effort to construct. Like Nintendo pointed out, the two points were separated by significant gaps in both time and context; they would have to be (and were) singled out and put next to one another, inventing entirely new context to link them before they could possibly be offensive.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

"This person just wants relevance and attention for money" says the people following her Twitter in the news article about her....

 

[EndlessSporadic]

Gamergaters are fucking desperate now. Zoe Quinn is undeniable cancer to this industry.

 

[Karadalis]

Gamergaters are fucking desperate now. Zoe Quinn is undeniable cancer to this industry.

Why exactly are gamergaters desperate in this context exactly?

The whole internet is collectively facepalming about ZQs antics and despereate grasps for relevancy and victimhood to (successfully) boasting her patron... and that somehow makes gamergate desperate? Desperate for what?

The only desperate person is Quinn herselfe becomming what people like her fear the most: Irrelevant.

"This person just wants relevance and attention for money" says the people following her Twitter in the news article about her....

Oh boy.. someone really needs to learn how social media functions eh?

This nonsense blew up on twitter so big that you didnt actually need to follow her, you only need to follow nintendo to take notice of it. And guess what? Alot more people follow nintendo then they follow ZQ. The fact that nintendo actually deemed it necesary to respond to some unimportant professional victim is allready newsworthy in and off itselfe.

Also i highly doubt (or rather really hope) that no one around here actually throws money on the epitome of unproductivity that is Zoe Quinn.

 

[Creator002]

Completely unrelated, but trying to view the links made me discover my barely used Twitter account had been hacked and changed to a scam porn thing. So, yay!

 

[Jamcie Kerbizz]

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[Gali]

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True. I think when it comes to video games MGS 1 had probably the best Watergate reference.


Anyway, I don't think Zoe Quinn is that stupid. This just shows how she and her ilk primarily depend on publicity for patreon bucks/donations out of pity or for the sake of virtue signalling. It's a shame. I believe some of these people could create worthwhile stuff if they would stop wasting time and energy with playing politics, creating controversy and telling others what bad persons they are for liking things they don't.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

As someone who doesn't really follow gamergate one way or the other, can someone please explain what 'Five Fun Guys' has to do with Gamergate? Is this supposed to be some kind of reference to these men Zoe is said to have slept with?

I'm entirely neutral here, just curious.

Yes. According to the rumours (Screw you, spellcheck, I spell it British), Zoe slept with 5 men besides her husband. Hence, "Five Fun Guys", according to her.

(Boyfriend, not husband.)

Before it was called Gamergate (probably after, too, but they transitioned over to Literally Who so quickly once other women were thrown into the mix that it's a bit hard to keep track anymore), Quinn was being referred to (on this very website, no less) as "Five Guys Burger and Fries", due to the allegations raised against her in the post that kicked everything off that said she slept with five other people.

I neither had nor have any interest in Gamergate or Zoey Quinn but that's fucking hilarious.

 

[McMarbles]

"She just wants attention!"

...and we're up four pages of people screaming "She just wants attention!"

Great job not giving her attention guys.

Man, when this forum finally finishes spiraling down the toilet, I'm really looking forward to delivering the chaser.

 

[Lightknight]

As someone who doesn't really follow gamergate one way or the other, can someone please explain what 'Five Fun Guys' has to do with Gamergate? Is this supposed to be some kind of reference to these men Zoe is said to have slept with?

I'm entirely neutral here, just curious.

Yes. According to the rumours (Screw you, spellcheck, I spell it British), Zoe slept with 5 men besides her husband. Hence, "Five Fun Guys", according to her.

(Boyfriend, not husband.)

Before it was called Gamergate (probably after, too, but they transitioned over to Literally Who so quickly once other women were thrown into the mix that it's a bit hard to keep track anymore), Quinn was being referred to (on this very website, no less) as "Five Guys Burger and Fries", due to the allegations raised against her in the post that kicked everything off that said she slept with five other people.

I neither had nor have any interest in Gamergate or Zoey Quinn but that's fucking hilarious.

The ball got rolling by a post released by an angry ex lover. Hence any kind of focus on a person's love life. Essentially the launching pad was that Rock Paper Shotgun ran a story by a guy named Nathan Grayson about 50 indie games in which he clearly made Depression Quest the premium game (The article was called Submission Quest, the picture leading the article was a picture from depression question, and he only called out three of the games as special and depression quest was the one called the "Twine darling"). Now, this blew up to holy hell because he was in a relationship with her (either sexual or really friendly at the time depending on the timeline) and he was cited in the game as a QA tester which Zoe confirmed herself via twitter. He also wrote another article benefitting her later about some kind of reality TV indie dev experience that she then left to make her own (which he advertised in his article).

So essentially, the whole gaming internet when nuts over one random kid making two mistakes in the name of love.

The bigger looming criticism that got other people on board were some other points of journalism corruption that we kinda already knew were a problem. Like cronyism that benefitted some people over others just because of personal relationship. The point at the time was that there was an organization that was promoting female developers that got blacklisted by the same Zoe Quinn who was actually in competition with them because she knew the right journalists. They had a clause where in order to be part of the competition you had to have at least identified as female by the competition start and that became a claim that they were anti-trans even though they were accepting trans-females too.

Enter the massive SJW component here where sites were pushing an agenda that was incongruent with a non-trivial number of gamers (huh, writers are more liberal than the general public, who'd have guessed). This was really the mainstay of the debacle.

There were some other corruption pieces but nothing really came out of anything. Just a massive shaking of the industry and most people just holding on for dear life. There was some coercion issues that were also presented and a whole bit where some people decided to re-appropriate the term "gamer" itself to now mean something offensive. That was truly the launching pad into ridiculousness and got a whole lot more people on the gamergate side of things than ever could have been possible otherwise.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

As someone who doesn't really follow gamergate one way or the other, can someone please explain what 'Five Fun Guys' has to do with Gamergate? Is this supposed to be some kind of reference to these men Zoe is said to have slept with?

I'm entirely neutral here, just curious.

Yes. According to the rumours (Screw you, spellcheck, I spell it British), Zoe slept with 5 men besides her husband. Hence, "Five Fun Guys", according to her.

(Boyfriend, not husband.)

Before it was called Gamergate (probably after, too, but they transitioned over to Literally Who so quickly once other women were thrown into the mix that it's a bit hard to keep track anymore), Quinn was being referred to (on this very website, no less) as "Five Guys Burger and Fries", due to the allegations raised against her in the post that kicked everything off that said she slept with five other people.

I neither had nor have any interest in Gamergate or Zoey Quinn but that's fucking hilarious.

The ball got rolling by a post released by an angry ex lover. Hence any kind of focus on a person's love life. Essentially the launching pad was that Rock Paper Shotgun ran a story by a guy named Nathan Grayson about 50 indie games in which he clearly made Depression Quest the premium game (The article was called Submission Quest, the picture leading the article was a picture from depression question, and he only called out three of the games as special and depression quest was the one called the "Twine darling"). Now, this blew up to holy hell because he was in a relationship with her (either sexual or really friendly at the time depending on the timeline) and he was cited in the game as a QA tester which Zoe confirmed herself via twitter. He also wrote another article benefitting her later about some kind of reality TV indie dev experience that she then left to make her own (which he advertised in his article).

So essentially, the whole gaming internet when nuts over one random kid making two mistakes in the name of love.

The bigger looming criticism that got other people on board were some other points of journalism corruption that we kinda already knew were a problem. Like cronyism that benefitted some people over others just because of personal relationship. The point at the time was that there was an organization that was promoting female developers that got blacklisted by the same Zoe Quinn who was actually in competition with them because she knew the right journalists. They had a clause where in order to be part of the competition you had to have at least identified as female by the competition start and that became a claim that they were anti-trans even though they were accepting trans-females too.

Enter the massive SJW component here where sites were pushing an agenda that was incongruent with a non-trivial number of gamers (huh, writers are more liberal than the general public, who'd have guessed). This was really the mainstay of the debacle.

There were some other corruption pieces but nothing really came out of anything. Just a massive shaking of the industry and most people just holding on for dear life. There was some coercion issues that were also presented and a whole bit where some people decided to re-appropriate the term "gamer" itself to now mean something offensive. That was truly the launching pad into ridiculousness and got a whole lot more people on the gamergate side of things than ever could have been possible otherwise.

Best part about this I can think of is that the sum total of Grayson's "unethical" journalism is smaller than your post.

I mean, that "50 games" post, cutting out the actual list of 50 games, is barely two paragraphs. DQ was called a "twine darling"... and that was it. It was a third of a compound sentence.

The Game Jam article was an article about a game game involving a dozen odd devs and Youtubers that went horribly, hilariously wrong. And Grayson's article, barring a two paragraph quote from Quinn at the end, is just reporting on the (now dead) Indiestatick article from their guy who was there when it went down. Of course, it says good things about almost all the devs there, and I never heard any allegations about Grayson's relationship with JonTron, but whatev's. http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=794069

 

[Lightknight]

As someone who doesn't really follow gamergate one way or the other, can someone please explain what 'Five Fun Guys' has to do with Gamergate? Is this supposed to be some kind of reference to these men Zoe is said to have slept with?

I'm entirely neutral here, just curious.

Yes. According to the rumours (Screw you, spellcheck, I spell it British), Zoe slept with 5 men besides her husband. Hence, "Five Fun Guys", according to her.

(Boyfriend, not husband.)

Before it was called Gamergate (probably after, too, but they transitioned over to Literally Who so quickly once other women were thrown into the mix that it's a bit hard to keep track anymore), Quinn was being referred to (on this very website, no less) as "Five Guys Burger and Fries", due to the allegations raised against her in the post that kicked everything off that said she slept with five other people.

I neither had nor have any interest in Gamergate or Zoey Quinn but that's fucking hilarious.

The ball got rolling by a post released by an angry ex lover. Hence any kind of focus on a person's love life. Essentially the launching pad was that Rock Paper Shotgun ran a story by a guy named Nathan Grayson about 50 indie games in which he clearly made Depression Quest the premium game (The article was called Submission Quest, the picture leading the article was a picture from depression question, and he only called out three of the games as special and depression quest was the one called the "Twine darling"). Now, this blew up to holy hell because he was in a relationship with her (either sexual or really friendly at the time depending on the timeline) and he was cited in the game as a QA tester which Zoe confirmed herself via twitter. He also wrote another article benefitting her later about some kind of reality TV indie dev experience that she then left to make her own (which he advertised in his article).

So essentially, the whole gaming internet when nuts over one random kid making two mistakes in the name of love.

The bigger looming criticism that got other people on board were some other points of journalism corruption that we kinda already knew were a problem. Like cronyism that benefitted some people over others just because of personal relationship. The point at the time was that there was an organization that was promoting female developers that got blacklisted by the same Zoe Quinn who was actually in competition with them because she knew the right journalists. They had a clause where in order to be part of the competition you had to have at least identified as female by the competition start and that became a claim that they were anti-trans even though they were accepting trans-females too.

Enter the massive SJW component here where sites were pushing an agenda that was incongruent with a non-trivial number of gamers (huh, writers are more liberal than the general public, who'd have guessed). This was really the mainstay of the debacle.

There were some other corruption pieces but nothing really came out of anything. Just a massive shaking of the industry and most people just holding on for dear life. There was some coercion issues that were also presented and a whole bit where some people decided to re-appropriate the term "gamer" itself to now mean something offensive. That was truly the launching pad into ridiculousness and got a whole lot more people on the gamergate side of things than ever could have been possible otherwise.

Best part about this I can think of is that the sum total of Grayson's "unethical" journalism is smaller than your post.

I mean, that "50 games" post, cutting out the actual list of 50 games, is barely two paragraphs. DQ was called a "twine darling"... and that was it. It was a third of a compound sentence.

The Game Jam article was an article about a game game involving a dozen odd devs and Youtubers that went horribly, hilariously wrong. And Grayson's article, barring a two paragraph quote from Quinn at the end, is just reporting on the (now dead) Indiestatick article from their guy who was there when it went down. Of course, it says good things about almost all the devs there, and I never heard any allegations about Grayson's relationship with JonTron, but whatev's. http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=794069

Yeah, despite being a spark on the event, Grayson (and the other five guys of the burger group) was just a low ranking journalist that liked a girl and did two small things he probably shouldn't of. Certainly not a sign of overall industry corruption.

I think the issue with the game jam was primarily a failure to recuse. Being in a close personal relationship with a prime subject of the article is a problem.

But really, what kind of small and petty stuff compared to huge corporate gifts and real scandals? There's just something hugely different in my mind between a single journalist doing something unethical out of love and someone doing it because they accepted a bribe/gift from the gaming company.

However, I do think you are trivializing the unethical nature of Grayson's indie article. It was absolutely unethical (especially with him cited in the game's credits too) but just nothing close to the degree of shit he got for it.

 

[StatusNil]

Yeah, despite being a spark on the event, Grayson (and the other five guys of the burger group) was just a low ranking journalist that liked a girl and did two small things he probably shouldn't of. Certainly not a sign of overall industry corruption.

I think the issue with the game jam was primarily a failure to recuse. Being in a close personal relationship with a prime subject of the article is a problem.

But really, what kind of small and petty stuff compared to huge corporate gifts and real scandals? There's just something hugely different in my mind between a single journalist doing something unethical out of love and someone doing it because they accepted a bribe/gift from the gaming company.

However, I do think you are trivializing the unethical nature of Grayson's indie article. It was absolutely unethical (especially with him cited in the game's credits too) but just nothing close to the degree of shit he got for it.

While I think you're being remarkably generous (if not sentimental) in describing that particular tryst as "love", it probably wouldn't have been seen as a sign of overall industry corruption if it hadn't turned out to be exactly that. That's apparent from the way the response wasn't an apology and a promise to do better from then on, coupled with a slap on the wrist for Grayson. But, as it happened, a massive collective screaming fit by the media to persuade the industry to stop "catering to" those awful gamers , coordinated on a secret mailing list where "journos" who were supposedly professionally covering "indie developers" were calling them "colleagues" as a matter of course.

So it was hardly a case of a single "journalist" lead astray by the tender feelings swelling in his bosom, but an entire culture of cronyism that had coopted the major players in the games media, and one that they were prepared to turn the whole culture into a battleground to defend. To me, that's a far, far more serious problem than quotidian cases of crass bribery.