Nintendo continue to protect your eyes from disgusting female form.

[Erttheking]

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No, I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the first thing that flew into my head was flawless. That's what happened. I had an idea, I put it down, realized it was a fucking horrible idea and took it out.

This is a real problem people seem to have nowadays. So many people assume that the first draft is sacred, even though any writing class you take will advise you to not be shy when editing.

And while this is certainly a fair point, are we really going to pretend that's the only reason things get changed in media? Are we really going to act like there aren't reasons for changes that aren't in best interests of making a good end product?

I didn't say that and I never implied it. To be frank I'm more than happy to get on a change for not being in the interest of a product. It's when people have to talk about how it's an attack on freedom of speech or the result of mistrust or something that my sympathy is lost.

 

[infohippie]

...Y'all do realize porn is a thing.

Its free, you can get at it easily. Generally, Persona characters are developed enough to not need to be wank-bate, they have personalities. If all they have done is remove a superfluous bikini shot, you don't need to complain.

You know, personality and character are what some of us look for in our masturbatory material.

 

[Leg End]

So how does this translate to never look at anything on the internet ever again? Or are you telling me that you literally cannot look at anything online without being upset?

What's the point in caring when none of it matters?

Basically. Your bringing a lot more attention to a game that most people didn't even care for over a slight alteration that doesn't even harm the game nor affect it.

It looks retarded. That affects it quite a bit.

Great. So can we stop yelling at every studio that decides they don't want to be a part of it?

Helps if they weren't a part of it in the first place.

This? This is the reason people aren't taking Nintendo seriously? Give me a break. There are a lot of legitimate resaons people have posed for why they don't care for Nintendo anymore. And the removal of anime titillation is so bottom of the barrel it might as well be out of it.

For a company not caring about the consumer. One piece of a giant tumor.

Oh, I'm sure they take their customers seriously. They were so serious about this that they had the devs made alternate outfits for different localizations outside of Japan. A company that doesn't give a shit wouldn't put the extra hours and dollars for something like that. Please. Nintendo for the most part takes their products very seriously. Don't sully that by claiming their adamant stance on not going too far with anime pandering means they aren't serious about what they put out.

They care about bitching and screaming from people that don't play video games more than the people that actually do.

It's an argument that only holds up among echo chambers.

Good thing neither is in an echo chamber.

I'm not a hormonal teenager. I can purchase games that don't rely on jiggly tits and crotch pouches.

You're a functioning human bean.

Don't disrespect how the company wants to present their games by making the false argument that by removing tittilation they are treating you like children.

They're arguably missing a chunk of the reason the game exists for zero purpose.

It's a garbage argument. If you are truly the mature adults you are you wouldn't be stamping your feet and screaming at Nintendo doing this.

Great image that doesn't go with reality.

An adult would recognize that this is a company that isn't interested in this nonsense and take your business to the other studios that give you what you want.

And that's why they're kind of bleeding money.

Selection of music? It's a game about Jpop idols. No. they hated it because they don't like JPop. Straight from the commentators mouth.

Well those people suck.

Pretty bold statement to make seeing as how
1. You never played the game.

Well certainly not going to now.

2. You were going to dismiss it now anyway because of an altered swimsuit.

Upon learning of Nintendo pulling bullshit, yes.

3. They went beyond a simple crossover and actually combined the various elements of both games in an attempt to make a unique experience. Anyone can just slap Marth and friends in as main characters and call it a day. Whether that concept failed or not has yet to be seen.

I want my weeb Fire Emblem shit pre-Awakening mixed with the bullshit from Persona.

Because your that mad over them altering swimsuit bikinis. This is the definition of pointless arguing.

When does it become worth arguing about to you?

That's now what localization is. It's never just a straight translation. It's making altercations to the game to best appease to the markets they are targeting.

Because doing that with a game made of pure Japan totally works.

and I hate to break it to you, weebs on the internet never are and never will be a large enough influence to stop these edits. So you can keep complaining and it will keep happening.

Well then I hope Nintendo enjoys not having an audience, because this is a game only weebs will play.

The game was never advertised as a titty game. That's all on you.

Pretty sure you or someone mentioned the phrase first.

This would require me to bring up 'she who must not be named' and 'that group' and I'm not going to go farther than that.

So, nobody in other words.

Oh, so it's a hackjob now? I assume you have already played to game to determine that it's of poor quality? Or does tits really matter that much to you in a videogame that any studio who alters them MUST be backed by an absolute garbage game?

I pay for a full game so I expect a full game. No unaltered release, no money transfer from my wallet to Nintendo.

Sweet relief as well. I mean, you just said their game was a piece of shit overcharging their price because they altered female swimsuits.

Making something look stupid would indeed qualify as being a piece of shit.

They have bad PR with people who ultimately don't matter. Just like all the bad PR over Fire Emblem fates didn't stop the games from selling double the amount from the last installment because the 1k weebs who swore off the games are vastly outnumbered by the hundreds of thousands of people who just enjoy playing games.

Something something argument about people who don't care about the medium, something something the series going downhill into waifu simulator.

A lot of people are buying their shit. Especially on the handheld side.

Handhelds only, if at all. That's about all they have left and they're losing it to the mobile phone market as time goes onward.

A physically fit character isn't a sexually charged character. So this isn't really a rebuttal and only further proved my point.

Honestly, I just can't think of a case where the fanservice wasn't roughly even in a game where females had particularly revealing clothes. You mostly get a similar level of eroticism.

Christ, you really are this mad over swimsuits?

I'm mad over pointless changes when I thought the industry was long past altering content for regions. It's absolutely stupid.

Look pal, if you want the 'authentic' experience that bad maybe you can brush up on Japanese and buy yourself a Japanese Nintendo system and enjoy playing the products 'as they should be'.

So, give Nintendo an assload more money so I don't have to pay a smaller amount for a butchered game?

Hey, even go the extra mile and try getting hired at Nintendo of Japan!

I'm a baka gaijin and not worthy.

I mean, so many things get chopped off, deleted, or removed from the game before it even hits store shelves!

Just going by what is hopefully the intended vision of the creators.

Or....maybe, chill out? I don't know what to tell you my dude. I enjoyed all those 'horribly censored' videogames just fine as it is.

I just refuse to give my money to a company that makes pointless changes to a finished game for zero reason. I'd have less of an issue if Nintendo stated publicly it was to aim for a lower ESRB rating. I'd have a different issue but I'd have less of one, because it would make sense from a warped business perspective. They've altered a game that likely would have gotten a T to begin with, for no reason we can reasonably see other than to be stupid, because from the source article, it still exists in game. It's absolutely pointless and gives me a headache.

Again, I would like to ask where are you getting the impression that this was a titty game? It was marketed as a color splurge of idols, music, and anime. Titties was hardly, if ever the forefront of it's advertisement.

The titty grabbing comment was a general thing for the player. Lots of games can grab your titties and take you for a ride while not being sexual. But they always have to be a fun ride of drugs.

Oh well, I suspect in the coming months gamers will exact their rage on another hapless Nintendo employee who talks a lot on Twitter and get them fired as a result.

We talking about the one that was fired for other reasons that came up as a result of the shitstorm? Just wondering.

You know, personality and character are what some of us look for in our masturbatory material.

This man, he understands.

 

[Erttheking]

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Does it? The definition you gave said "To suppress or delete anything considered objectionable." I deleted something considered objectionable. Nowhere does it say that there needs to be a hidden "true" copy anywhere. Where the heck did you pull that part of the definition?

Oh so it's not hypocrisy because people admit that it's all about them wanting their wank material and not about taking a moral stand despite what they say? Well I always knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed.

 

[DemomanHusband]

And then there's more narrow parlance. In gaming circles, "censorship" appears to mean "they changed something in a way I don't like."

I think it might be more accurate to say "They changed something for the perceived (accurate or not) reason of not offending some group due to the suggestive content, whatever it might be." Some people do simply point out the change, like the OP here, trying to point out the contradictory nature of their alterations, missing some parts, but not others, etc. The OP doesn't seem offended by it, more so confused at the inconsistency of it I think.

Granted, most of the people who then respond to such threads tend to fall into the "changed it in a way I don't like" category, but it's not always the case.

Keep in mind, when they changed the design of Mobius Final Fantasy's main character to make them less sexy, there was no howling cry about censorship.. because said character was male. Funny that, making women less sexy is bad to these people, but making men less sexy is totally ok.

Well, here's some things about Mobius:
A) Being a phone game rather than a handheld console/home console/PC release, something which means that while it will still have a sizable market, it will ultimately not be large enough to make such complaints notable. (thus why you seem to assume that anything less than total frothing at the mouth anger over censorship is relevant)

B) As far as I can see, the game was only released in Japan, thus there is little chance of 'regional differences' or 'differing tastes between cultures' being to blame. Ultimately, it really was the creator's decision, so no localization firm or aged-up teenager drunk on progressiveness is to blame. Which would explain why sentiments about the change were less angry and more "Well, okay then."

C) Personally, I liked the original outfit. So again, I know my mild grumpiness over a sexy guy no longer being as sexy isn't good enough for you, but I'll throw my hat in and say I like skimpy outfits to stay skimpy whenever possible. I do not doubt, however, that the protagonist will find himself in layers of silly scarves and belts the moment SE try to bring it over to western territories.

 

[infohippie]

Oh so it's not hypocrisy because people admit that it's all about them wanting their wank material and not about taking a moral stand despite what they say? Well I always knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed.

This is too, a fallacy. That you can't take a moral stand if you want your wank material.
Widespread censorship always starts with the wank material. It's pretty moral to oppose it regardless.

Ah, but remember, the very idea of male masturbation is creepy and shameful. It's only female masturbation that is empowering and something to be proud of.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

*Looks back at thread*. Yep, that's why I tend to define censorship as requiring some form of outside, authoritative interference.

This is just Nintendo doing was Nintendo has literally always done. Though it'd be nice, if just for the change of pace, for one of these complaints to be about something other than minor costume changes or sexual weeb bullshit.

 

[Erttheking]

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Apparently not. The original "true" copy was deleted. That's what deleted means. It doesn't exist anymore. You can't just twist the meanings of words to fit your personal definition better. I strangled it in its crib. It doesn't matter if it's a WIP, it's still censorship because something was deleted for being objectionable. It doesn't stop being censorship just because you don't care about it.

Oh? What fallacy? Please elaborate. Is it a moral stand or isn't it? Make up your mind! You can't have it both ways! Either it's a moral stand in which case people should stop being hypocrites and stand against all kinds of censorship, not just the ones they like, or it's not a moral stand and people are just making a fuss that there was a change they didn't like.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh so it's not hypocrisy because people admit that it's all about them wanting their wank material and not about taking a moral stand despite what they say? Well I always knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed.

This is too, a fallacy. That you can't take a moral stand if you want your wank material.
Widespread censorship always starts with the wank material. It's pretty moral to oppose it regardless.

Ah, but remember, the very idea of male masturbation is creepy and shameful. It's only female masturbation that is empowering and something to be proud of.

I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make here? It doesn't seem connected to anything in the thread.

 

[infohippie]

Oh so it's not hypocrisy because people admit that it's all about them wanting their wank material and not about taking a moral stand despite what they say? Well I always knew that, but it's nice to have it confirmed.

This is too, a fallacy. That you can't take a moral stand if you want your wank material.
Widespread censorship always starts with the wank material. It's pretty moral to oppose it regardless.

Ah, but remember, the very idea of male masturbation is creepy and shameful. It's only female masturbation that is empowering and something to be proud of.

I'm sorry, what point are you trying to make here? It doesn't seem connected to anything in the thread.

That calling something "wank material" is an attempt to dismiss it by making it appear shameful and unimportant.

 

[Erttheking]

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More like pointing out that it's wank material and not some bastion of freedom of speech. I imagine it's connected to annoyance that people get angry only when it's censorship affecting T&A

Also I fail to see how that connects to male vs female masturbation.

 

[Erttheking]

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Well that was a non-argument. You didn't counter my points at all. I did read what you posted. I found your arguments to be flawed and I pointed out those flaws.

So which is it? Are you going to pick? Or this is an admittance that people are being hypocrites and you're saying I should just let them be hypocrites.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

This whole thing is a non-issue for me, but there is something I find weird. Why is it that people keep referencing moments of male censorship and how there was no outrage over it? The ones making a big deal about this are more than likely straight males. Why would they care about the removal of a speedo or that a male character was forced to dress more conservatively? They aren't opposed to censorship, really. Just the censorship of the things they like.

 

[The Bucket]

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Apparently not. The original "true" copy was deleted. That's what deleted means. It doesn't exist anymore. You can't just twist the meanings of words to fit your personal definition better. I strangled it in its crib. It doesn't matter if it's a WIP, it's still censorship because something was deleted for being objectionable. It doesn't stop being censorship just because you don't care about it.

Oh? What fallacy? Please elaborate. Is it a moral stand or isn't it? Make up your mind! You can't have it both ways! Either it's a moral stand in which case people should stop being hypocrites and stand against all kinds of censorship, not just the ones they like, or it's not a moral stand and people are just making a fuss that there was a change they didn't like.

You don't have to act against all instances of something to be opposed to it, think of how ridiculous it'd be if you couldn't complain about any given topic unless you'd given equal time to every other instance of it on the planet.

 

[Erttheking]

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That's a fair argument.

What gets me mad is that when that happened, I made a thread bringing it up and absolutely no one cared. Plus no one has actually said that they were actually against that change, not that I've seen anyway.

Plus there's the fact I can count the number of instances were complaints about censorship weren't about female T&A on my hands. People just don't care if tits and ass of the female variety aren't involved, which makes me struggle to take these complaints seriously.

 

[infohippie]

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More like pointing out that it's wank material and not some bastion of freedom of speech. I imagine it's connected to annoyance that people get angry only when it's censorship affecting T&A

See, that's what I mean. It's an attempt to dismiss it as unimportant.

Also I fail to see how that connects to male vs female masturbation.

Because anything sexual for women is always held up proudly as "empowering" rather than used to stifle discussion as is happening here. It's the usual double standard of third wave feminism.

 

[Erttheking]

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No, it's wank material. It is what it is. You're accusing me of making it not worth defending. I'm pointing out that it's not more than what it is. If you want to defend wank material, fine, but admit it's wank material. So many people act like they don't want to see tits and are just defending freedom of speech. For the love of god, I wish people would just say "I want to see tits and there's nothing wrong with that." Because there isn't. I'm tired of people acting like crusaders for freedom of speech over stuff like this.

....uh-huh. Got an example of this?