Dragonbums said:
Battenberg said:
You have a talent for misinterpretation. That wasn't my point at all, my point was that you were implying that just reusing old games with minor changes to make them current gen is acceptable. Not everyone feels that way and the CoDs and Fifas of the world certainly aren't very popular on this site. If you like them that's fine, you're free to do so just like I or anyone else is free to dislike them, the same goes for Nintendo games.
Personally I think Nintendo are overrated and are basically incapable of creating new ideas and nostalgia has encouraged a lot of people to forgive them for this and not include them as one of those AAA deveopers who symbolises current stagnation in big budget games.
That's a lot of 6-10 year olds with nostalgia issues.
I would guess one for every manchild who thinks CoD and Fifa are the only reason consoles even exist because for every one of those people there will be one person who sees them and despairs, thinking back to the good old days of video gaming when they weren't around i.e. Nintendo.
DaViller said:
Battenberg said:
Care to back that profanity up with an actual argument? Ideally one that includes examples?
Dude be real here you honestly think that there was no innovation in nintendo games in damn 20 years?
That statement borders on the type of blind hatin that I see in youtube comments.
But ok ima list some examples that i found pretty innovative for theyr time.
Majoras Mask: 3 day system and the very depressive atmosphere make the game very different from ocarina of time.
Smash bros: A very unique fighting game that up until today has no real equals because of it's KO system.
Metroid Prime: At that point in time I didn't see any other fps designed with exploration as theyr main theme and a story that presented itself like this.
Wii: Well the entire console basically.
I did say close to 20 years for a reason and the games you listed still aren't exactly recent, the only item you mentioned from the past decade is the Wii and since I am purely talking about games it isn't really relevant. Majoras mask I haven't played so I can't comment on that but Smash Bros. was and still is just a moshpit version of tekken, street fighter, or even dead or alive with Nintendo's stash of overused characters instead of Ken, Ryu, Yoshimitsu etc.
I also said _basically_ no _innovation_, basically and innovation are key words there. Yes there have been some slight innovations in games and yes some of their games are still good but as a whole Nintendo have gradually ground to a halt, constantly relying on the same overrused icons they always have to sell their game for them (e.g. Mario, Link, Pikmin). Yes they still make the _occasional_ good game and very rarely a new Nintendo game will have some minor mechanic that hasn't been seen in other AAA games however for the most part they are coasting on their previous successes. Having mentioned the Wii I don't think it's unfair to say that Nintendo just wouldn't have any sway in any area of gaming other than handheld games today if they hadn't released the Wii and in my opinion it's their games that are holding them back at the moment.
I'm not 'hatin' on Nintendo (on a side note I only hear someone described as 'hating' on something or being a 'hater' when they present a legitimate argument about why they personally don't like something, frankly it's become cliched), they have been a huge force in the gaming industry and I thank them for that but that doesn't give them carte blanche to put any less effort into innovation than they used to. I think the best way to describe my feelings for Nintendo is to liken them to my feelings for Freud. Psychology is my other main passion (aside from gaming) and as many people know Freud is really the godfather of the field, presenting revolutionary ideas that helped change and define psychology for the better. I have huge repsect and gratitude to the man for that, just as I do for Nintendo's pioneering work in consoles. However if you know much about Freud's ideas you will know that they have not stood the test of time and are generally considered dated and even somewhat immature by many (based on overemphasising sex). Nintendo have not kept up with modern gaming, remaking Zelda games or Mario games (they may have different names but the majority of Mario games boil down to a 3d version of the original) over and over and not coming up with anything that keeps them relevant. I also mentioned maturity with Freud because hard hitting characters and stories are not Nintendo's forte by a long shot. It feels like they haven't acknowledged the fact that their audience is older now and often expect more mature content in their games. Now I'm not saying we need more grey-y brown-y games about apocalypses and monsters but it would be nice if Nintendo at least tried to make something more appealing to the older audience than re hashes with the same old cartoon characters. It's certainly not impossible in today's market either- Naughty Dog started out with the Crash games, then moved to the slightly weightier Jak series, before moving onto Uncharted (clearly aimed at the average young adult gamer) and have now had huge success with The Last of Us, an incredibly deep and adult game at its very core. So like I said I certainly don't hate Nintendo, I am very grateful to them for what they have previously done but they're not up to date any more. Unlike Freud they have the oppurtunity to change that and bring themselves more to the forefront in innovation.
In short Nintendo need some new IPs and new characters or they will just fade out (which would no doubt be a shame). Personally I think they could do with one or two franchises that are more serious than the happy go lucky cartoon mascot template that applies to just about every game they have made.
