Nintendo Pulls Out of Brazil

[FogHornG36]

so... they want to build a black market of video games?

 

[San Martin]

It's because they are classified under "Gambling"

I have no words. How do you even get from Gambling to videogames.

That gif is AMAZING! But what does it mean?

 

[JoJo]

so... they want to build a black market of video games?

Could be tactical move on behalf of Nintendo, any black market consoles must eventually lead back to them and perhaps they're hoping pulling out officially will put pressure on the Brazilian government to change the law, since the state will be getting nothing in tax now. Once the law changes, consoles will be much cheaper for your average consumer and Nintendo can return to much greater sales and profit. Genius!

 

[P-89 Scorpion]

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I think people were pissed off about the Steam mostly because they were paying taxes over a non-physical product, which is understantable, plus no one in the right mind want more taxes.
And aren't videogames over the jogos de azar (Translating it's Luck Games for our english speaking buds) taxes, therefore being something akin to gambling and not toys?

Actually, I heard both versions, "gambling" (jogos de azar) and "toy" (brinquedos eletrônicos), but never from a reliable, official source. (Unfortunately, I am used to the press printing gross mistakes)
I am a lawyer, not a tax man, but "toy" always made more sense to me (since gambling is illegal). But I am not positive about that.

Either way, it is badly categorized and absurdly taxed.

This does make sense considering that videogames were pretty much classified by our stores as "Toys" before Tec-Toy game along with Sega and change that somewhat. But a large amount of those were NES or Master System clones assembled in Brazil (Oh, how times have changed, this shit wouldn't pass these days), therefore no taxes over then. I found it weird because I always heard it was over "gambling". Maybe it's not technicly illegal to ship them in and just to play them? I don't know, the law can be weird like that sometimes.

Sega licenced console production to Tec-Toy for the Brazilian market it was not an illegal copy.

 

[Diablo2000]

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I think people were pissed off about the Steam mostly because they were paying taxes over a non-physical product, which is understantable, plus no one in the right mind want more taxes.
And aren't videogames over the jogos de azar (Translating it's Luck Games for our english speaking buds) taxes, therefore being something akin to gambling and not toys?

Actually, I heard both versions, "gambling" (jogos de azar) and "toy" (brinquedos eletrônicos), but never from a reliable, official source. (Unfortunately, I am used to the press printing gross mistakes)
I am a lawyer, not a tax man, but "toy" always made more sense to me (since gambling is illegal). But I am not positive about that.

Either way, it is badly categorized and absurdly taxed.

This does make sense considering that videogames were pretty much classified by our stores as "Toys" before Tec-Toy game along with Sega and change that somewhat. But a large amount of those were NES or Master System clones assembled in Brazil (Oh, how times have changed, this shit wouldn't pass these days), therefore no taxes over then. I found it weird because I always heard it was over "gambling". Maybe it's not technicly illegal to ship them in and just to play them? I don't know, the law can be weird like that sometimes.

Sega licenced console production to Tec-Toy for the Brazilian market it was not an illegal copy.

I meant the others like the Phantom, sorry if wasn't clear.

 

[PunkRex]

It's because they are classified under "Gambling"

I have no words. How do you even get from Gambling to videogames.

There's a Pokemon Games Corner joke in there somewhere but I'm not smart enough to see it.

OT: Damn, Extra Credits mentioned how hard it was on the Gaming market out there but giant, stone, needs'a'hug Jesus that's expensive.

 

[K12]

Brazil not pregnant.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

And I thought Australia's electronics import taxes were bad...

Perspective, ay? I just got back from Hong Kong and most electronics were on par with Australia in terms of price, so we definitely don't have it bad.

 

[Mangue Surfer]

so... they want to build a black market of video games?

A pirate market, actually.

 

[Darks63]

This sucks for the possible few people who have Wii U's or 3DS games in Brazil, especially because of the fact that the consoles are region locked, although I'm sure those people probably also imported their systems as well.

Most of our consoles come from Grey Market, imports from the US. So, we will be fine of Nintendo products. The problem is that there's seems to be less and less stores selling 3ds games. Even in Rio's own Uruguayana, a big Grey Market\Piracy\Whatever thing (Visit it if you ever come, just stay clear from more shady individuals) I could only find one store with extremely limited supply.

What is the "Grey Market" specifically? I think i understand but If you could give some clarity on what it is exactly.

OT: Wow i guess this is a feel good story for the Aussies in a twisted sort of way huh?

 

[Diablo2000]

This sucks for the possible few people who have Wii U's or 3DS games in Brazil, especially because of the fact that the consoles are region locked, although I'm sure those people probably also imported their systems as well.

Most of our consoles come from Grey Market, imports from the US. So, we will be fine of Nintendo products. The problem is that there's seems to be less and less stores selling 3ds games. Even in Rio's own Uruguayana, a big Grey Market\Piracy\Whatever thing (Visit it if you ever come, just stay clear from more shady individuals) I could only find one store with extremely limited supply.

What is the "Grey Market" specifically? I think i understand but If you could give some clarity on what it is exactly.

OT: Wow i guess this is a feel good story for the Aussies in a twisted sort of way huh?

Stores who mostly runs without proper documentation to run a store and often deal with outside sources for their products rather than official ones.

 

[marioandsonic]

I remember Extra Credits did an episode on Brazil about this. I guess this means things have not gotten any better since?

 

[Atmos Duality]

I really studied Law of the Public Sector and believe me... Brazil is a shitty country. That's just it. We are shitty.

Just a bit off the cuff here, and I intend no personal offense...but damn.

Between this, and what I've heard from the Columbia native in my dept, it just sounds like South America is all kinds of fucked up right now. (I did a presentation on Sao Paulo's extreme drought and water troubles recently and I'm legitimately curious as to how that government functions.)

 

[direkiller]

This sucks for the possible few people who have Wii U's or 3DS games in Brazil, especially because of the fact that the consoles are region locked, although I'm sure those people probably also imported their systems as well.

Most of our consoles come from Grey Market, imports from the US. So, we will be fine of Nintendo products. The problem is that there's seems to be less and less stores selling 3ds games. Even in Rio's own Uruguayana, a big Grey Market\Piracy\Whatever thing (Visit it if you ever come, just stay clear from more shady individuals) I could only find one store with extremely limited supply.

What is the "Grey Market" specifically? I think i understand but If you could give some clarity on what it is exactly.

OT: Wow i guess this is a feel good story for the Aussies in a twisted sort of way huh?

It's a term for legal goods sold outside normal distribution channels.

Basically there are people who will mail you a WiiU from the US. It avoids all the taxes and import fees so it cheaper then buying it from the store.

 

[RicoADF]

I think there is some morbid irony in that international gamers have to assume an American ID just to play games sold on the American Marketplace because their domestic marketplace is such a disaster. See also Australia.

Piss off, it's far from that bad here in Australia. Especially pricing wise, it's actually getting to the point that local stores are offering as good if not better prices than Steam (non sale). Then for the few that you can't theres always buying online, it's called shopping around.

Edit: To clarify, here in Australia "Piss off" is used in a similar way of saying "get real", not as an insult. Just figured I'd add a disclaimed in case of a language difference/barrier.

What is the "Grey Market" specifically? I think i understand but If you could give some clarity on what it is exactly.

OT: Wow i guess this is a feel good story for the Aussies in a twisted sort of way huh?

Gray market is when you either buy from an overseas store and import it, or buy it from someone that imports it themselves. It's legal (atleast here in Australia) and ironically here in Australia our government encourages it to force the local prices down which it's succeeded in doing. The PS4 for example was quite well priced, I crunched the numbers when it was announced and found it was cheaper to buy at the store than import it. Here in Australia people forget that shipping isn't free and when you compare Australia to US prices it's not a fair comparison as our prices include tax, USA doesn't (something that threw me off when I visited the states, having to figure out what the real total price was).

 

[FPLOON]

That said, anyone would receive my Club Nintendo Smash Bros promotional double CD and ship it to me? I would buy you a beer (apart of the shipping costs, obviously)!

I would do it just to say that I'm shipping "something important" to someone in Brazil... (Then again, I'm not really someone who drinks beer in general, though...)

OT: At first, I was like "Oh no... Why would the big N do that?"... But, then after reading about Brazil's tax-within-a-tax "thingy" and even how an alternative has been going on for I-don't-know how long, I was like "As long as the big N gets the $, I somehow find this all funny... somehow..."

 

[Veylon]

so... they want to build a black market of video games?

so... they want to build a black market of video games?

I wouldn't be surprised if they wink at it. Even if the discs are pirated, someone somewhere has to buy a WiiU for it to make it onto the black market. They - or their representative, in this caes - probably wouldn't ask too many questions if stores on the Brazilian border start ordering far more units than they could possibly be selling at their locations.

 

[RoonMian]

Does anyone with a boat and some free money to invest wanna set sail to Brazil with me?