Nintendo Suddenly Claims Ownership Of Many YouTube Videos

alrekr

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
didn't feel the need to then buy it having seen the story play out.
By that logic are you against wiki pages? If all I care about is how it plays out I can wiki the story and just read it.

Also what about non-story based games like fighters. The appeal of walking dead was the writing but BlazBlue or Mortal Kombat are all about the gameplay, that can be shown in a video, but it is not the same. Watching someone have fun =/= having fun. It can result in a different kind of fun but not the same fun; thus there is still a reason to buy the product.
 

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i just see LP's as another form of reviewing a game, so yeah, this is some pretty big bull shit.
 

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Nintendo, you didn't really need another nail in the Wii U coffin, did you?

& LP'ers? start making a mass exodus to Blip or something. Make a statement
 

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The people putting out Let's Play videos do deserve to get paid for their videos: at least the ones that know what they are doing and not just putting videos of themselves playing games. It takes practice to make Let's Play videos that are entertaining, and in many ways they are like a news feed. On the other hand, they are profiting using someone elses property in order to do so without direct permission from the company in question, so Nintendo does reserve the rights to collect revenue from Let's Play videos using their games. This isn't one of Nintendo's smartest moves, though.
 

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thaluikhain said:
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although it is true that Scott is uploading gameplay from its games, his viewers watch his gameplay videos to hear his commentary and review, and it seems unfair that Nintendo should simply take all the ad revenue when he's the one putting in the hard-yards maintaining a fanbase.
Yeah...no. He's using their stuff. Just because someone works hard to get a fanbase using someone else's stuff doesn't mean they are entitled to it. You can't say the fans are just interested in his ramblings, otherwise he could just as easily make them without gameplay footage.
Ever see a game review with no screenshots? How about a walkthrough with no game assests (maps ECT)? A preview with no video?
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
So that is why Nintendo did not just say all commercially operated channels or took just half of the ad revenue... but imposed it on all channels featuring their products, even reviews and also took all the ad money, right?

Yeah no, mate, no nintendo dick sucking from you in public please. When even review channels are hit, who even under your application of fair use should have been protected, then no it is not okay or alright or fair. Even those non-profit LPers, the ones who just play for fun and don't want to put adds in their videos? They will automatically have adds put in them to give money to Nintendo.

Not to mention the fact that a recording of me playing the game should be about as much property of Nintendo as "A Song of Ice and Fire" should be the property of the manufacturer of the Laptop it was written on, or if that one is to far out there, think of a street performer using music to dance on, all he earns now automatically goes to the record company, not the actual artist of the song, because without the music he would just be flailing around. In the end this will not even help the developers, which I might support if they were reasonably in their demands, but the only one getting rich here is Nintendo shoveling the cash into their money vault.

I don't think we give the person playing the game enough credit for the audience they have. I don't think many people actually watch LP's to see the game but instead see the LPer play the game, the main attraction is the LPer. Not to mention all the work that actually goes into making good LP videos. I would very much like to see what would happen if we took away the LPer, I hope you enjoy mario standing at the start of world 1 for 24 hours a day. If it was a movie or a comic or anything else that did not involve a player to actually make things happen you would be correct, games however? Nintendo made them, Nintendo sold them, the people are the ones that play them, whatever footage of people playing them is almost always wholly unique to the person playing it so really what are you copyrighting claiming here? All the different ways people could play your game?

It sounds to me like you have some kind of idea that these people are lazy bums mooching off of other people's hard work, which says quite allot about you, and that Nintendo is somehow some white knight riding in to defend the fair copyright princess from infringement. LPers don't get paid to play Nintendo's games, Nintendo indirectly profits from advertisement and basically what amounts to live demonstrations of gameplay. If Nintendo was hiring LPers and then pocketing the ad revenue that'd be fine, but they aren't, they are basically muscling in like a bunch of mobsters into people's channels and demanding they hand over ALL ad revenue. Regardless of the content or style of the video. If it shows Nintendo, Nintendo demands to be paid.

Now if Nintendo wants to piss all over that and just take the whole advertisement pie, it can just go ahead and do that, but let's not pretend it is out of some noble justified reason, it's just to grab all the ad money. So the CEO's don't have to go RoboCop because of the WiiU's sales.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
alrekr said:
j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
didn't feel the need to then buy it having seen the story play out.
By that logic are you against wiki pages? If all I care about is how it plays out I can wiki the story and just read it.
No, because Wikis don't use the actual assets created by the developers themselves. They rely on users doing their own write ups, composing their own summaries of the story thereof.
But they tell you exactly what happens. If you don't give a fuck about the gameplay and only the story a wiki is just as damaging. You could just read a wiki and be done, why give a shit what happens in the game when you can read what happens in it? By watching an LP you destroy the need to buy it because you know the story, same thing with the wiki.

Which makes me wonder why you watched an LP, all the way to the end, for a game you wanted to buy? I think you didn't really WANT to buy it. Also really? That is you argument that it takes effort to write the story down? How do you think things get recorded with proper audio? By magic fucking eyeballs every LPer has?
 

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I think I would rather take down my videos and give them the finger rather than just give them the revenue.
 

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And this is why the copyright "laws" are broken, unusable and inappropriate in today's age. Thanks Disney!
 

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Looks like the Wii U is floundering even worse than we thought if it has Nintendo beating up Let's Players for their lunch money.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Again, I will link you to Youtube's user agreement which talks about standard monetization policy



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Can you show me where in this news story Nintendo follow anything other than regular Youtube policy?

The only reason this is news is because Nintendo are doing it a couple of years later than everyone else.
Did I say it was against the rules?

No, what I said was that youtube sucks at defending the people posting content, when SEGA went around DMCAing EVERYTHING they even took down reviews. However where does it say "Any company can come in and siphon all revenue from your channel"?

It doesn't say that. It says you MAY be refused for monetization, so what SHOULD have happened is that those channels should have been notified that any Nintendo videos will NOT be allowed to run adds. Also it quite clearly mentions right there "videos that just show a user playing....." an LP is not silent. It's not just someone playing the game with nothing else added. So even by youtube standards there is a giant loophole there for LP's who fall in between categories.

So to get back on that. Did Nintendo just take away the adds or take down the videos? That's not what happened is it? That's strange because why would they want videos that harm their business (like you claimed) operating? Maybe it is because Nintendo wanted money? Instead of just removing adds, taking down infringing videos or just straight up blocking the users, they instead put more ads on things that didn't have ads before this so to me it still looks like a big fat money grab.

A legal big fat money grab, but then again not all things that are legal are good. See American politics for an example.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
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And when people elect to watch an LP instead of buying a game, that's one less game that ends up selling.
OR people like what they see and then buy the game. It can go either way. Kinda like REVIEWS. Funny that isn't it?
And people don't play or watch LPs of Trials Evolution for it's story content.

There's a demand for pirated movies. There's a demand for leaked albums. Christ, there's a demand for people trafficking, slave labour and heroin. Saying there's a demand for something doesn't mean that makes it automatically alright to provide it. Not when the copyright laws are far from clear on the subject.
Let's Plays aren't illegal.
The things you listed are.
That was a terrible point.

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Once again, this has nothing to do with reviewers, and yes reviewers generally do get paid, and yes reviewers generally have to put more effort into their reviews