Nintendo Wants To "Win Over the Halo Audience"
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nintendo is so fucking out of touch. first off not all hardcore gamers like halo. second i dont think making watered down versions of games like dead space are going to attract ps3 and 360 owners when they can play a better version of the game without the awkward motion control gimmicks on the system they already own
This is a joke, right? Who would buy a new console (assuming they do not have a Wii) so they could play a sequel to a mediocre shooter previously released upon their own console, and on a console with a reputation of having terrible online abilities, poorly adapted control schemes, and a fraction of the processing power compared to the console(s) that person already owns? Oh Nintendo, you guys never fail to make me laugh.
"Technically" but to the level that people have come to expect from their lengthy experiences with big budget, high fidelity games on more powerful systems? Not by a long shot, plus simply being able to run the game isn't enough to be able to have it be successful.DM. said:
You need a user friendly online system to have lasting success of the multiplayer mode, something that Nintendo has utterly failed to produce, excessive amounts of memory for the content that these games invariably generate and need with expected DLC, intuitive control schemes (IE not gimmicky wrist waggles that do little but break the game's flow) and good game design behind it all.
Simply saying "we think we can beat Halo" isn't enough to actually have that happen. You need to back up your claim with a brilliantly implemented game (not just a Halo clone as many studios have painfully discovered over the years) and hardware and software that was actually designed to back up what you are trying to do.
Neither of which Nintendo has with the Wii and Conduit. Perhaps they have enough to beat HAZE, but even then they're pushing their luck.
Get any worse?JetFire62 said:
XBox 360 Total global sales: 30 million (28th May 09)
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Global_Xbox_360_Sales_Cross_30_Million_Mark/4872
PS3: 21 million (20th Feb 09)
http://www.psu.com/PS3-global-sales-top-21-million,-says-Sony--a006508-p0.php
Wii: 50 million (26 March 09)
http://www.manufacturing.net/News-Nintendo-Wii-Global-Sales-Top-50-Million-032609.aspx
Extrapolate this to get them all to current date, assuming Febuary09-like behaviour [estimation only]:
http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11067
At end of May:
XBox: 30 million
PS3: 22 million
Wii: 51.5 million
Wii sales equally the sum total of both rival consoles? Where's the failure? By all accounts an undeniably huge comercial success.
What Nintendo has been doing is fantastic "disruption" and "blue ocean" strategies. Target the *non-consumer* (counter intuitively) and make an entirely new marketplace. And then with this established user-base take the whole shebang slowly by "upmarket". And in this case, this means going up the ladder into the realms of the increasingly hardcore.
Stategy: Start with the outfield plays, the non-gamer games. This is the previously untapped "blue ocean" resource. Wii play, Wii sports, Wii fit, Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc. Then, last year they made the first proper "bridge" games, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl and Zelda: Twilight Princess. It's only now that the targeting of the true gamers begins. If they keep it up then from christmas into and through next year we're going to see some genuinely epic stuff.
The best thing about this strategy is it starts out completely passive. Targetting the non-gamer market as the number one priority? Nuts surely? A large chunk of the first few years the user base doesn't overlap too much with the old target markets, so Microsoft and Sony aren't too worried, but by the time it's encoached on their doorstep its far too late.
Sony did it in the 1950s with the transistor radio over AT&T, Honda did it with off-road motor biking over Harley-Davidson, and Nintendo is doing it now.
Don't want to take it from me? Heres a quote from the Reggie himself:
http://www.brandweek.com/bw/magazine/features/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001995536Reggie Fils-Aime said:
Ok this is getting too long for a single post. One more thing:
A quick question to the more hardcore Halo/GoW fans (or more generally to those people who consider themselves hardcore Xbox/PS3 users and specifically the more anti-Wii ones):
How did you feel when Microsoft and Sony showcased at E3'09 technology that is self-evidently due a direct influence (if not outright immitation) of Nintendo's Wii-Motion and interactivity technology? *Especially* after it was villified by the massed hardcore gamer hordes (to which you might well have contributed) for its role "destroying console gaming".
1) Bitterness? Betrayal? Micosoft/Sony sold out for a meagre slice of this new market pie at the expense of your future gaming enjoyment?
2) Is it awesome and makes you realise just how truely great Nintendo was, pioneering this tech without which current developments would never have happened? And therefore maybe still a bit bitter?
Then there's always:
3) Denial? If this is you, you can keep telling yourself these developments would've happened anyway, but your not kidding anyone else.
Disruption is awesome
Reference: http://malstrom.50webs.com/ Some fantastic (and huge) articles on Disruption and Blue Ocean strategies. Particular reference to how Nintendo is using them to dominate the console market.
Exactly, most Halo-people I see would only try to see how much porn they could get off it... I need some new friends..... WTS Xbox bastards If you can haul em you can keep em..Yoshi_egg80 said:
They want to win over the Halo audience? really? I thought they already held the market on casual gamers.
Super Mario Galaxy:Spleenbag said:
Metacritic: 97%
GameRankings: 97%
MobyGames: 96%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_galaxy#Reception
Metroid Prime Corruption:
Metacritic: 90%
MobyGames: 90%
GameRankings: 90%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_Corruption#Release_and_reception
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metacritic: 96%
MobyGames: 96%
GameRankings: 95%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelda_twilight_princess#Reception
You were saying?
Good fuckin' luck, Nintendo.
You'll need it, I don't know how you're going to make a beer-bong game exciting.
You'll need it, I don't know how you're going to make a beer-bong game exciting.
I think if Nintendo really wants to win over the Halo audience and make themselves a little more hardcore, they should do one thing, give Kirby a gun!
No, I hated them a while before that...I never got into the Mario games, so they didn't have that much weight behind them to me.Fumbles said:
What changed somewhat recently is that I just completely lost hope for them after that announcement for Wii Music.
Also, I just noticed how stupid the double "honestly" looks...hells.
What's that you say, Nintendo? You want to appeal to the audience that enjoyed Halo, the audience that traditionally favors good, M-rated games? Here's an idea- stop 'wanking off of your old franchises', as Yahtzee would say, come up with some new, innovative IPs, and start making more T and M-rated games. You can't change things by releasing vague statements- you change things through your actions.
Prove you deserve our- the 360 audience- attention, Nintendo, and you'll be rewarded for it.
Prove you deserve our- the 360 audience- attention, Nintendo, and you'll be rewarded for it.
