Norman Jayden - addicted to triptocane or ARI? *possible spoilers*

[AFdrft]

Ok, I've played through Heavy Rain a couple of times now, and something got me wondering. Is Jayden actually addicted to the tripto, or to ARI? There seems to be some kind of link between the two, as he hallucinates ARI happenings in real life. When he is waiting for the police chief when you are fisrt in the station, if you listen to his thoughts he says - 'I could use some ARI time' - indicating that it must be more to him than just a work tool.

Also, his ARI generated bartender claims 'be careful not to overindulge in you-know-what'. Towards the end he also starts bleeding from his eyes while using it. I've not seen or experimented with his different endings yet, I was hoping some of them may shed some light on the situation. What do you think, fellow escapians?

 

[Riobux]

I can't quite help but think there's a link between the two. Like you have to take the Triptocane to use the ARI or it enhances the experience.

Also, I have to ask: Am I the only one that considering Norman Jayden almost a bit flamboyant? Which shows more and more when he gets angry (especially at the beginning of the scene where you must solve the murder altogether).

 

[Remleiz]

add to that one ending where he sees the ARI tanks crawling on his desk...

 

[Riobux]

add to that one ending where he sees the ARI tanks crawling on his desk...

I must know: Is there an ending where he doesn't see the tanks but actually has a good ending? So he doesn't die, quit the FBI or see the tanks while working.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Am I the only one that considering Norman Jayden almost a bit flamboyant? Which shows more and more when he gets angry (especially at the beginning of the scene where you must solve the murder altogether).

I think it's because he's a British (voice) actor who's trying to do a New York accent.

Spoiler: OT: I've only had two Jayden endings as of yet.

One where he dies and one where he's tripping his F-ing balls off and sees holographic tanks riding across his desk.

 

[Riobux]

Am I the only one that considering Norman Jayden almost a bit flamboyant? Which shows more and more when he gets angry (especially at the beginning of the scene where you must solve the murder altogether).

I think it's because he's a British (voice) actor who's trying to do a New York accent.

Spoiler: OT: I've only had two Jayden endings as of yet.

One where he dies and one where he's tripping his F-ing balls off and sees holographic tanks riding across his desk.

Haha, perhaps, but he ends up coming off as flamboyant. He doesn't even come off as English because he's trying to keep the professional/quiet tone while being angry.

Also, sorry for the quick spoiler, still not familiar with the coding here to be honest; then again there is a spoiler warning in the title so I may be safe. May as well try to do a spoiler thing to tell you how to get the "quit FBI ending".

Spoiler

All you have to do, in the scene where he's meant to solve the murder by combining all the clues, you just quit without accusing anyone (it may be possible to do it after you've accused Blake, but I'm not sure). You also can't get him involved with the final showdown at the warehouse against Shelby by ringing him up with Madison (then again, I made it so Madison would die when I got that ending, so I could watch Shelby walk away).

 

[Yossarian1507]

Ok, I've played through Heavy Rain a couple of times now, and something got me wondering. Is Jayden actually addicted to the tripto, or to ARI? There seems to be some kind of link between the two, as he hallucinates ARI happenings in real life. When he is waiting for the police chief when you are fisrt in the station, if you listen to his thoughts he says - 'I could use some ARI time' - indicating that it must be more to him than just a work tool.

Also, his ARI generated bartender claims 'be careful not to overindulge in you-know-what'. Towards the end he also starts bleeding from his eyes while using it. I've not seen or experimented with his different endings yet, I was hoping some of them may shed some light on the situation. What do you think, fellow escapians?

I think the addiction goes for tripto, but ARI is adding it's share of craziness into the fray... As seen in Mad Jack's for example, even without ARI the thing that helps him is tripto. On the other hand the time he spends in ARI, the tanks he sees in one of the endings and later in the game when he takes ARI off you can see a lot of brown spots around his eyes suggests that ARI has a bad effect on him as well.

I think the overexposure to ARI may end in hallucinations and stuff like that, but not exactly addiction. That's tripto's work, and in combined effect with overexposure to ARI leads to really fucked up situations (Jayden Blues).

Anyway, the game is great, and I love any single inch of it from the greatest game ideas to any single plot hole.

 

[Nomanslander]

add to that one ending where he sees the ARI tanks crawling on his desk...

Honestly I locked that portion out of my memory quick out of fear it would ruin the ending.

It's like the whole time I was dreading the game would go bat shit crazy like Indigo Prophecy, thankfully Heavy Rain was able to contain itself until that last part at the very end....ROFL!!

 

[scnj]

Also, his ARI generated bartender claims 'be careful not to overindulge in you-know-what'. Towards the end he also starts bleeding from his eyes while using it. I've not seen or experimented with his different endings yet, I was hoping some of them may shed some light on the situation. What do you think, fellow escapians?

Whoa whoa. What? Did I miss something? I thought that guy was real.

 

[AFdrft]

Also, his ARI generated bartender claims 'be careful not to overindulge in you-know-what'. Towards the end he also starts bleeding from his eyes while using it. I've not seen or experimented with his different endings yet, I was hoping some of them may shed some light on the situation. What do you think, fellow escapians?

Whoa whoa. What? Did I miss something? I thought that guy was real.

That was just my understanding of it, as he was wearing he glasses at the time, and the location looked a little out of place. Plus, what FBI officer would tell a real bar tender he was a drug addict? Could be totally wrong though.

 

[Loves2spooge]

The bartender was real, and the hallucinations were an effect of the triptocane which caused his visions in ARI to bleed into reality. There's really not much to read into here.

 

[Yossarian1507]

I don't think the bartender (I would say it's a butler) was real. Remember that scene before Jayden finally solves the puzzle, when he was freaking out and Blake came in to tell him he can pack his things? There wasn't anyone in that room besides them, and yet he magically appeared when Jayden put on his glasses.

Not to mention he was speaking the exact same thing word for word as in Jayden Blues. I think it's ARI programmed butler to remind Jayden of danger coming from taking tripto as well as to make several generic hints like 'maybe you should revise your clues' etc. to make an illusion of no working alone all the time.

 

[themoddifier]

He uses triptocaine to reduce the effects or the ARI. It has its own side effects though so thats what we see in those cut scenes; the triptocaine side effects.

 

[Jonathan Lau]

The bartender was not real. He was using ARI both times he saw the bartender.

 

[Solytus]

From what I culled from the game, I figured that the ARI and the Tripto balance each other out, with each having their own unique side effects that are mediated by the other.

I also don't think that he was addicted to either the ARI or the Tripto. I believe he views the ARI as an invaluable tool, and nothing else. Furthermore, I think that the "withdrawals" he suffered when he didn't take the Tripto were side effects of the ARI, and that he wanted to take to Tripto to reduce said side effects, not due to an addiction.