Norwegian Mass Murderer Defends Gaming Habits

El Luck

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Saviordd1 said:
El Luck said:
Saviordd1 said:
El Luck said:
-Concentrated Ignorance-
Seriously? Remember Columbine? How many people blamed the whole damn thing on games because one of the shooters played counterstrike.

This shit always bites us in the ass, wake up.
Ok then, so what exactly will happen if video games are blamed for this by a few media groups who are just trying to drum up a sensationalist piece to sell a quick paper here and there?

Because clearly I'm too ignorant to see it.

Or maybe, just maybe I realise that gaming has been around for fucking years and yet somehow despite all the shit thrown at games like Mortal Kombat, GTA, Carmageddon, Doom, Counter Strike, Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, WoW and countless others, its still here and its gone from strength to strength.

But no, ignorance, clearly.
Public opinion lowers, always lowers, will continue to lower unless it changes.

All of those blows have set gaming back by years and months. Gaming is still always on the political chopping block because it is still seen as evil by idiots.
Ok, let me come at this another way, so what?
 

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"He slipped and fell on his dagger...I mean...it was self defense! yes, he slipped and fell on his own dagger in self defense".
 

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And there is no such thing as "Evil" people, what are you? Five years old? Every man is the hero of his own story. Nobody is decidedly evil or think of themselves as such unless they are insane and even then their "Evil" can be explained with psychological issues and problems thus they aren't evil just broken.
Evil could be argued to be Personality Disorder. The BTK killer along with most serial killers don't necessarily view themselves as the "hero" of their own story. Frequently they view themselves as the villain who can torment the police, and get away with it.

Making up a word to classify people under does not remove the fact they are evil, and classifying people as "broken" implies that they can be fixed. If that's what you believe how about you go live with the next "fixed" serial killer. Psychopaths cannot be fixed, and the moment you think they can be you've put them one step closer to killing again.

Anders logic is flawed, but it is flawed in the same way that Nazis logic is flawed. Sure you can blame liberals and socialists like Anders and Hitler did. You can pick the most hated groups of the moment to justify it just like they have, but in the end they are both just making a move against Democracy. This kind of logic is only implemented in instill terror into the majority so that they do nothing when the time comes to stop the madness.

This entire event has been intended to inspire the minority to take control just like the Bombing of the Reichstag helped to inspire Nazis into power. Heck even Anders Manafesto is similar to Mein Kampf.
 

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Gaming has a harder time becoming recognized as an art form.

Also government more likely to attack gaming since it would be the default boogyman for the time.
 

El Luck

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Gaming has a harder time becoming recognized as an art form.

Also government more likely to attack gaming since it would be the default boogyman for the time.
Video games already have first amendment protection, they have been recognised from a legal stand point as an art form, they are safe from forcibly being changed.

From a cultural stand point, who the fuck cares if someone doesn't consider games an art form? won't affect it in anyway what so ever.

Oh and politicians will attack gaming and treat it like a boogyman? Cool. This makes it different from TV, Rock and Roll, Rap, DnD, Comic Books, Porn, Heavy Metal, Rave Music, Alcohol, Cigarettes, Homosexuals, and a slew of other things that have all been attacked, how?

By the way, the 'how' is rhetorical, I'm done with this stupid fucking conversation, this entire thing has fuck all to do with games, it was only mentioned as a formality and quite a lot of the news media are aware of it.

There have been a few places that have used sensationalist titles to rile up the knee-jerkers, and the escapist is included in that list. The title of this article is one I would have expected from something like the daily mail or fox news, but there we go.
 

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El Luck said:
-Pompous Ignorance-
Yes because the first amendment is followed strictly in our nation -.-

And they aren't different, but why should we turn a blind eye to stuff being attacked for no reason?

And maybe you should read the god damn article, or did you not do that? Because your attacking the title when the article is exactly what the title said.
 

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Self defense against 77 people?
Well 77 people could kill me so I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm glad to see that a mass murderer is defending gaming, because if we can't even get them to stick up for us we're doomed as a culture.


This guy also wrote a book. I'm surprised that writers aren't being associated with mass murder.

Seriously Escapist, why do you run pieces that serve no purpose but to demonize gaming.
You should run more articles that demonize books and movies just to balance the score.
 

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Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.
 

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I wonder if he hated the idea of dwarves and elves co-existing?
Nope, he didn't hate elves, dwarves or orcs co-existing. He just hates the idea that elves are taking over his country and changing the dwarven way of living and thinking into the supperior elven way without the dwarves even noticing.



:'D
 

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I love how everybody is like "yeah ♥♥♥♥ fair trail. kill him.".

Makes me believe in our "civilization".
 

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snalin said:
Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.
Just about every article in the current news cycles has stated that is declared defense is that he "acted in self defense".

Google can be your friend.
San Francisco Gate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/17/MN0A1O4O7P.DTL

CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57414481/norway-mass-killer-anders-behring-breivik-defiant-at-start-of-oslo-bomb-and-shooting-massacre-trial/

CNN
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/norway-mass-murder-suspect-claims-self-defense/

Or the actual Quote from him
"I acknowledge the acts but do not plead guilty, and I claim I was doing it in self-defense"
 

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medv4380 said:
snalin said:
Where did you get the sources for that he "stated that he acted in "self defense"? That is 1) wrong, and 2) not in the NYT article.
Just about every article in the current news cycles has stated that is declared defense is that he "acted in self defense".

Google can be your friend.
San Francisco Gate
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/17/MN0A1O4O7P.DTL

CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57414481/norway-mass-killer-anders-behring-breivik-defiant-at-start-of-oslo-bomb-and-shooting-massacre-trial/

CNN
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/norway-mass-murder-suspect-claims-self-defense/

Or the actual Quote from him
"I acknowledge the acts but do not plead guilty, and I claim I was doing it in self-defense"
He didn't actually said self-defence. Or well, he did, but the nordic languages has many diffrent meanings, since we have less words. It is hard to translate, someone else did earlier. He said "nödvärn". I think the best English translation in this context is "emergency response or "emergency measures". He didn't claim that he defended himself, but rather went outside the law to protect his country. Still a messed up interpretation...
 

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Saviordd1 said:
El Luck said:
Saviordd1 said:
El Luck said:
-Concentrated Ignorance-
Seriously? Remember Columbine? How many people blamed the whole damn thing on games because one of the shooters played counterstrike.

This shit always bites us in the ass, wake up.
Ok then, so what exactly will happen if video games are blamed for this by a few media groups who are just trying to drum up a sensationalist piece to sell a quick paper here and there?

Because clearly I'm too ignorant to see it.

Or maybe, just maybe I realise that gaming has been around for fucking years and yet somehow despite all the shit thrown at games like Mortal Kombat, GTA, Carmageddon, Doom, Counter Strike, Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, WoW and countless others, its still here and its gone from strength to strength.

But no, ignorance, clearly.
Public opinion lowers, always lowers, will continue to lower unless it changes.

All of those blows have set gaming back by years and months. Gaming is still always on the political chopping block because it is still seen as evil by idiots.
To the 2nd quote: I think one of them did actually re-create their school in a DOOM map, which is where people got the 'preparation' thing from.

Granted, I believe video games can help up to an extent in identifying your targets, but it doesn't help with handling it, dealing with recoil, knowing when to reload and so on and so forth.

Anders also shot people pretending to play dead, something most shooters skim over as it's not worth their time; that is the scariest part for me.

Captcha: Bitter End. Black Humour, Escapist?
 

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sinn3r said:
I love how everybody is like "yeah ♥♥♥♥ fair trail. kill him.".

Makes me believe in our "civilization".
Yet another contrarion. Wow, you are so enlightened, I mean what would we, the sensible majority, do without you showing us how wrong we are.

Because a man who murdered so many people needs a "fair trial" after he admitted his guilt....
 

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Mikeyfell said:
Self defense against 77 people?
Well 77 people could kill me so I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm glad to see that a mass murderer is defending gaming, because if we can't even get them to stick up for us we're doomed as a culture.


This guy also wrote a book. I'm surprised that writers aren't being associated with mass murder.

Seriously Escapist, why do you run pieces that serve no purpose but to demonize gaming.
You should run more articles that demonize books and movies just to balance the score.
Uh... I think you're missing a few points here.

Namely:

WMDogma said:
Before committing the attacks that claimed the lives several dozen people, most of whom were teenagers [Editor Note: I'm pretty sure these teenagers were also unarmed.] attending a summer camp on the Norwegian island of Utoya...

... Furthermore, Breivik claimed he also moved back home to have more time for writing his manifesto, a 1,500 page collection of hate-filled rambles against multiculturalism in Europe and Islam [read: hate-filled bigotry]...

Breivik later stated said he spent several months in 2010 extensively playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, claiming that he used the first person shooter to help hone his shooting skills because of the in-game holographic sight. He used a similar device when he carried out his attack on Utoya Island. [read: I used CoD to help train me to shoot innocent civilians]

Breivik's trial began on April 16th, and is expected to run approximately 10 weeks. Breivik has admitting to committing the killings, but stated that he acted in "self defense." [against civilians]
But maybe the article's wrong. Maybe Brreivik had to defend himself against 77 people (mostly teenagers) who, I guess, could've bludgeoned him to death with their Hunger Games novels or something, but let's go over what he did that led up to all of this.

He:

- Bombed government buildings in Oslo, the capital of Norway.

- Disguised himself as a police officer and, without provocation, opened fire on the adolescents at a camp of the Workers' Youth League, organized by the Labour Party.

- Confessed his entire motivation was to save Norway from a "Muslim takeover" and that the Labour Party had to "pay the price" for "letting down Norway and the Norwegian people".

- Made this little ditty (that some people may find offensive - viewer discretion advised). [www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_A5JN-UHfE]

... Yeah, no offense, but I don't see this guy winning any sympathy from anyone.