Norwegian Retailers Get Rid Of Games After Attacks

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Norwegian Retailers Get Rid Of Games After Attacks



Following the devastating attacks in Norway, a couple of retailers are pulling the games that the accused murderer cited in his manifesto.

Last week, Anders Behring Breivik claimed responsibility for <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Casualties_2>the terrorist attacks in Norway that ultimately claimed the lives of 77 people. While the country is still reeling from the tragedy, a couple of retailers have decided to pull the games that Breivik cited in his manifesto.

Breivik's 1,500 page document (which it turns out <a href=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658269/Norway-shooting-Anders-Behring-Breivik-plagiarised-Unabomber.html>had large sections plagiarized from the Unabomber's manifesto) claimed that World of Warcraft gave him a useful cover story while he secluded himself to plot the attacks and also stated that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 was a useful way to hone one's shooting skills. Unsurprisingly, certain stores don't want to have any association with Breivik, however tenuous.

According to ITavisen, retail chains Coop Norway and Platekomaniet have both pulled the the following games from their shelves:

? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Black-Ops-Xbox-360/dp/B003JVKHEQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056477&sr=1-1>Call of Duty: Black Ops
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Xbox-360/dp/B00269QLI8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056445&sr=1-1>Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
? Call of Duty: World at War Platinum
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Call-Duty-Modern-Warfare-Xbox-360/dp/B0016B28Y8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056404&sr=1-1>Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Classic
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Ghost-Warrior-Playstation-3/dp/B004EDJOYC/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056348&sr=1-1>Sniper Ghost Warrior
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Counter-Strike-Source-Pc/dp/B000AOJ7FK/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056221&sr=1-1>Counter-Strike: Source
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Battle-Chest-Mac/dp/B000H96C9M/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1312056084&sr=1-2>World of Warcraft
? <a href=http://www.amazon.com/Homefront-Xbox-360/dp/B003Q53VZC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312055890&sr=8-1>Homefront

However, these games haven't been permanently removed from the stores. Reportedly, the decision to pull the games is a temporary one that was made "out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]."

Source: <a href=http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itavisen.no%2F874728%2Fdisse-spillene-fjernes-fra-hyllene&act=url>ITavisen

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AstylahAthrys

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Because, you know, the shootings totally didn't happen because the guy was a crazy extremest and mentally unstable. At least it's only temporary that the games are gone, I hope logic prevails and they're put back on shelves soon.
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Agreed.

But why was World of Warcraft pulled? I can see why they'd stop selling violent shooters concurrent with what actually happened, but how is that relevant, even if he used it as a "cover story"?
 

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Norwegians were only doing everyone favors by removing Homefront and Sniper: Ghost warrior. Just?go with it.
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Hate to say it but I agree :3
IMMA BRACING FOR THE HATE!

Although WoW seems rather, odd dont you get that online anyway?
Or do you have to buy it first?
 

PixelKing

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He used WoW as a cover, nothing else.
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
*cough*Counter Strike*cough*

EDIT: Someone posted that in his manifesto he was encouraging other extremists to use WoW as a cover story, thanks for pointing that out. And I'd just like to say R.I.P to all the dead and my sorrows go out to the families of the dead.
 

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Good for them. They aren't profiteering off of products named in a pathetic, but inspirational (to some) attack.

I could see Amazon putting Mein Kamph on special if it had been around in the 30's
 

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Condor219 said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Agreed.

But why was World of Warcraft pulled? I can see why they'd stop selling violent shooters concurrent with what actually happened, but how is that relevant?
He cited WoW in his document, claiming that a professed addiction to it could be used as a cover story when people questioned his suspicious behavior. Indeed, he was actively encouraging other extremists to take up playing it, as it apparently makes it possible to justify actions that would other wises rouse suspicion.

EDIT: Seems some crafty ninjas have made the point before me, probably by using fewer words -.-
 

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Madman points to games as training material to incite idiotic media affiliates, media affiliates believe him, everyone overreacts, and the intelligent among us roll our eyes.

Nothing to see here.
 

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"out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]."
huh, really? what about the food and drinks he likes...And his favourite utility company,political party, music band, his (assumed) porn collection? What about them!?

Maddness >.>
 

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While I can't say I'm really a fan of any of the games they've pulled, that is irrelevant and this is still ridiculous. Even if it's only a temperory measure, I fail to see how this respects the families of the victims. If anything, it insults the intelligence of everyone in Norway that can play a game and then not go on a violent rampage. Y'know, like everyone that wasn't already extremely mentally unstable in the first place.
 

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1 month later...
Quote from a Norwegian game store clerk.
"Yeah, Online stores like Steam and D2D are the cause of bad sales..."
 

vansau

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I gotta agree with the ruling opinion. People only care about games taken off the shelf if those games are any good.
 

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I read parts of his manifesto. He also played Dragon age: Origins, Fallout New vegas and even described himself as an "RPG man". He does state that he used the first person shooters as "training", but really he could had just as well joined a paintball club.

Anyway he only started playing FPSes After he started planning the attack.



On a sidenote, as a curiousity of my own strange mind; I wonder what faction he joined in New Vegas.
 

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They removed Sniper Ghost Warrior.. Good choice retailers. /jk

Dont really affect me anyway, as I buy most my games at gamestop or steam. But I dont really get how this is showing respect? If anything it shows respect for the shooter, not the victims.
 

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Oh wow, he's pretty much saying "We're pulling these games off because they caused the incident and so if someone affiliated with the attack sees these games will become offended."

I'm betting at least one person related to the victims play one of those games.
 

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Yeah, because scoring free publicity by defaming completely unrelated stuff is totally the proper course of action any company should be lauded for taking.

...not that many people would buy their games at Coop anyway, so it's not of much actual consequence.
 

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That's... you know, in a way, I kind of agree, given the removed 'out of respect and in respect' bit. If it's a temporary measure, then it feels less like trying to pander to knee jerk game-blaming, and more like 'We pulled these because we don't want anything to do with profits that might come from a tragedy giving them publicity.'

'Course I still think the better option would be to just ignore it, lest pulling them only encourage others to try to twist the repercussions to their own ends but.. I can understand at least.
 

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WOAH.

My knee. It totally jerked.

At least my fellow American's aren't the only ones to act illogically when faced circumstances beyond their control.
 

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ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
 

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for those of you not in the know: Coop Norway = norways answer to Wallmart and platekompaniet is a store primarily for music and films. (PlateKompaniet means RecordCompany in English)

Sojoez said:
1 month later...
Quote from a Norwegian game store clerk.
"Yeah, Online stores like Steam and D2D are the cause of bad sales..."
a friend of mine works for a gameretailer here in norway, they carry PC games ofc, but he says to all customers(when his boss isent arround) "go and buy it of Steam, its cheaper."
 

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Well, interesting. Don't see the reason behind WoW, but still, it's their shelves or whatnot.
Also, i don't remember the last time I saw news on a weekend on the Escapist, it's always dead silent on that side, if i remember correctly.
 

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mad825 said:
"out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]."
huh, really? what about the food and drinks he likes...And his favourite utility company,political party, music band, his (assumed) porn collection? What about them!?

Maddness >.>
Unless I'm mistaken, he openly cited them as influence. His political party doesn't exist, which is why he massacred people. The other stuff is inconsequential.
 

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ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
No, they're not morons. Temporarily pulling those games from the shelves is not only the right thing to do out of respect for the people who were hurt by the massacre, it is the right thing to do out of a business standpoint as well. In a store of that size, with that many people shopping in it, for every single little detail that isn't perfect, you have a customer that is ready to throw a fit over it. I've seen people go to the newspaper and cry "scandal!" over issues far, far less significant than this.

Regardless of where these retailers stand in the whole "games cause violence" debate (odds are they don't even care), it would be moronic for them to risk upsetting paying customers, especially when it comes to an issue that is currently ass sensitive as this.
 

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even though it says its only temporary, I cant really see these games coming back because when themotion is made, people who lost someone or just like to ***** about these sorta things will say that this guy used them and it will encourage others.

Also, wihle next to impossible its going o create a dangerous precedent forthe sequels of the mentioned games and if they will be released.

and I'm curious as to if Norway is going to stop WoW period, including people who already have accounts or not, cause i could see some civil liberties being stepped on and if not, at least some retribution sought for the monthly fee that will be lost.
 

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mad825 said:
"out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]."
huh, really? what about the food and drinks he likes...And his favourite utility company,political party, music band, his (assumed) porn collection? What about them!?

Maddness >.>
I'm assuming that for those things, he only...
food/drink: Baby kittens and blood
Utility Company: None
Political party: Commie!
Music Band: Marylin Manson (when HASN'T he ever been blamed for this shit...)
Porn: Child porn.

Lets also assume that Call of Duty and World of Warcraft makes us like these things more (I mean hey, Gnomes are kid sized...).
HATE MORE ON THEM!
 

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Norway is casting aside all of its war-based video games?

[HEADING=2]Their defenses are broken! Let the slaughter begin![/HEADING]

MWA HA HA HA HAAA!! Without their precious training programs, we will swoop in and take over!

(Obvious satire.)
 

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AstylahAthrys said:
Because, you know, the shootings totally didn't happen because the guy was a crazy extremest and mentally unstable. At least it's only temporary that the games are gone, I hope logic prevails and they're put back on shelves soon.
If not logic than sales will. Sure, they remove it for a month or two, but when they see how much money they lost they'll put them right back on the shelve.

Or the investors will find a new CEO that will...
 

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They forgot to remove Tetris, Barbie's Super Fun Time, and the latest bloodthirsty Mario fiasco. I swear those fuckin' Bob-ombs made me do it.


LoL my captcha ... 'hand. it yurks' .. wtf?
 

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I wonder if book stores there also stopped selling the numerous pieces of literature cited in the manifesto. Actually, no, I don't wonder at all because I'm quite certain they haven't. *sigh*
 

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Stealthygamer said:
In my honest opinion CSS is the only good game there, and its much cheaper to get it off steam
A multiplayer only quickscoping ego tournament...

Nope, nothing of value was lost to the industry.
 

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Turns out knee jerk reactions after a crisis are international, not just an American thing.
 

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...Seriously? Ok, why not ban violent movies, and forbid all forms for organized shooting contests. Oh, and let us not forget books and comics that has violent content. After that everyone will be happy, right?!

Games don't kill people.
Guns don't kill people.
Crazy people with guns kill people.
 

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Both Platekompaniet and especially Coop Norway have ridicolous prices for video games anyway. Not a single fuck given.
 

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He is a smart bastard, WoW can be a very good cover story. A smart lunatic can be dangerous, even from prison. He should be sent to a mental institution and medicated so heavily that he can not use his own mind for the rest of his life.
 

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Prince Regent said:
On a sidenote, as a curiousity of my own strange mind; I wonder what faction he joined in New Vegas.
Now you've gotten me curious, as well.

On an somewhat related note, I'm laughing pretty hard at the douchbags claiming that nothing of value was lost.
 

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only CS:S on there is worth something...but why world of warcraft i wonder?

"IM SO FUCKING MAD IM GOING TO CAST FIREBALL ON YOUR ASSES!!!!!"
*right clicks nothing*
......"SHIT!!!!"
 

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I hear his computer had solitaire on it... Why have we not looked into this? I also heard that he wore socks.

If you want to show respect for the dead have their names engraved in a memorial or something that matters not some half assed pulling stuff from the shelves. I mean pulling any item off of shelves because someone cited it in their "why I kill people" would lead to a ton of religious texts being pulled and well that never goes well.

While I understand people are emotional I also recognize I can be very cold. I have an issue with emotions, they annoy me. So should this post rub you the wrong way, sorry.
 

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Fellas, this was obviously part of his plan... The man might be a psychopath but he isn't stupid, he know how to mess with the people.
 

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Pulling WoW is kind of weird, considering you can buy it and all it's expansions online anyway.

Also, they said they're pulling them out of respect? What about when they reintroduce them?
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
This, concise, precise.

honestly though, these games are just killing simulators and provide little to nothing to stimulate the brain, is it any bad thing if they are resigned to the scrap heap?
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
You /thread ed on the first post. Well played indeed.

If only we could get these games pulled in the states, innovation explosion shall occureth!
 

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This is another reason why you guy games from Spaceworld or GAME.

Also this:
Gardenia said:
Both Platekompaniet and especially Coop Norway have ridicolous prices for video games anyway. Not a single fuck given.
Platekompaniets Drum and Bass selection is abysmal, too.
 

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vansau said:
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 was a useful way to hone one's shooting skills.
Call of Duty: You will learn how to shoot by playing. Honest.
 

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WoW? They banned it because it was his cover story? If he said reading the bible all day was his cover story do you think they would have banned it? Seriously, they're games its not like they're teaching people how to make bombs and use weapons.
 

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i still can't see how playing call of duty (or any video for that matter) would help anyone prepare themselves for a real shooting. i know some armies in the world use VR training for team work but i doubt they use it for actual target practicing.

i call shenanigans.
 

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This is just like when the twin towers fell and movies and games were held back from release even if they had nothing to do with New York. It's out of respect, so whether or not it makes any sense it's hard to argue with.
 

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I want to know about Bobby Kotick's reaction.

But I agree, nothing of value was lost.
 

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I'm glad that only Norway is doing this since it's much more understandable over there for this to happen. The act is still ridiculous, but at least it might ease the conscience of those in Norway who don't really understand the correlation (or lack thereof) between violence and video games.
 

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World of Freaking Warcraft?!?

That thing is our best bet for world peace, FFS. Everyone will be too fat and obsessive to fight.
 

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I'd like to quickly clarify that these stores have every right to pull these games, and it's probably a good move given the circumstances (the circumstances being that people still think that video games universally cause violence) - but I'm pissed off that they should have to go that extra step further to protect themselves in this case...

so...

All aboard the bandwagon!

I really can't stand this Anders Bhering Brevik guy. First and foremost because he's a mass-murdering psycopath, but also because he thinks that he can just hand off the blame onto violent video games - an issue that he knows full well is a touchy subject with the world's population of overprotective parents and phsycotic morons - and get himself off the hook.

A few problems with this...

Well firstly - if you train yourself to shoot on Call of Duty then you are going to die fairly quickly when you come face to face wth armed police and discover that a controller is in fact COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from a real firearm.

Secondly - How could his plan possibly have been furthered by playing WoW? Is this guy just adding to his murder charges by trolling us?
Oh yeah - and you can buy WoW online now so it doesn't need to be in stores - whoop dee doo....

Fuck you Brevik...

Norway - keep on trukkin'... that is all.
 

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I can't wait till they found out he made his meal that day using a recipe he learned playing Cooking Mama. Then they have to ban that too.
 

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america ,if we want to keep the respect of norway. we must join in on the festivities and destroy all the cods in our local gamestops,walmarts, and targets.
 

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PixelKing said:
He used WoW as a cover, nothing else.
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
*cough*Counter Strike*cough*

EDIT: Someone posted that in his manifesto he was encouraging other extremists to use WoW as a cover story, thanks for pointing that out. And I'd just like to say R.I.P to all the dead and my sorrows go out to the families of the dead.
This.
He also mentions Hip Hop in his manifesto of hatred and if you can remember back,Hip Hop was the devil all the way through the 90's+early 2000's,before that it was gory movies,
now people have something else to blame for all of society's ills,
and I think this sick bastard was/is intelligent enough to hit as many "hot buttons" as possible so the gutter press can foam at their collective mouths about "what's to blame!"
there were no video games,and precious few movies when H H Holmes murdered possibly hundreds of people at(and around)the time of the worlds fair in 1893...what do you think they blamed then?
black and white photos?.
People will always look for scapegoats rather than admit that there are some very,very broken,sick individuals out there.
 

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lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
 

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schiz0phren1c said:
PixelKing said:
He used WoW as a cover, nothing else.
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
*cough*Counter Strike*cough*

EDIT: Someone posted that in his manifesto he was encouraging other extremists to use WoW as a cover story, thanks for pointing that out. And I'd just like to say R.I.P to all the dead and my sorrows go out to the families of the dead.
This.
He also mentions Hip Hop in his manifesto of hatred and if you can remember back,Hip Hop was the devil all the way through the 90's+early 2000's,before that it was gory movies,
now people have something else to blame for all of society's ills,
and I think this sick bastard was/is intelligent enough to hit as many "hot buttons" as possible so the gutter press can foam at their collective mouths about "what's to blame!"
there were no video games,and precious few movies when H H Holmes murdered possibly hundreds of people at(and around)the time of the worlds fair in 1893...what do you think they blamed then?
black and white photos?.
People will always look for scapegoats rather than admit that there are some very,very broken,sick individuals out there.
It's more comforting to blame something you can act against than to feel powerless, I suppose.
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Pffft, almost any time I open a thread to make a sarcastic quip about it somebody's beaten me to it in the very first reply :<
 

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lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
I think it's funny that you're telling someone that they can't say how they'll react if their child ever dies, but then go back around to TELL them how they'll react in such an event. Isn't it hilarious?! No, not really. Maybe because I'm an avid gamer and also an avid literature-reader, I could safely realize that, in the event of my child ever getting killed, the killer listing a book or a game - either of which you're saying are supplied by a major retailer - is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. Call of Duty does NOT help you with weapons training. A controller is the exact opposite from a real damn fire-arm that requires real training to be used in an accurate manner. And I doubt any book supplied by a major retailer is going to have such a great psychological effect on someone that they'd turn around and murder someone - and in the event that did happen, I'd see straight through that bull to realize that that person is just completely effing insane and is using something as a scapegoat.

In the event of my child being murdered, the only thing that would give me any gratification would be the killer being put behind bars to slowly rot - not a game or book from a clearly bullshit manifesto, written by someone who is addled in the head, being taken off of retail. Because I realize that games and books and movies do not work that way on people who are not psychotic.
 

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CS:S is still getting sold? Woah!

TheEndlessSleep said:
Secondly - How could his plan possibly have been furthered by playing WoW? Is this guy just adding to his murder charges by trolling us?
It probably told him everything he needed to know about fashion sense.
http://kookyplanet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/136477-norway-massacre-suspect-admits-shooting-bombing.jpg?w=300&h=214

And I agree. He be trollin' with his "the games made me do it" excuse.
 

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World of Warcraft is a shooter? All this time people have been saying its a grindy MMO guess ill try it then.
 

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Very true Speakercone,
and from the sound of how this guy acted in life,we'd need to be getting into "minority report" levels of snoopery to catch his type of psychopath,
I just can't help thinking there's a better,more positive way to react to such happening's
damned if I know what(yet,give me a while!)
I don't even think the old "hang 'em high,eye for an eye" style morality would put this kind of guy off,
even if he knew the punishment for his actions was to be hung,drawn,and quartered I think he would have gone ahead and regarded himself as a martyr.
mad world.
 

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He most likely has an anti-gaming agenda and listed these games as a way to attack them. No one sees that he turned himself in alive JUST so that he can influence the public with his rhetoric? Yet again, stupidity and fear prevail.
 

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no, dont do this.
there's some moron down here in Australia who is trying to twist this slaughter into a "ban games" campaign and this will give him leverage.

wait a second, the only truly good games out of that are the modern warfare series...maybe ghost warrior...how is this the list of banned games when there is shit a lot worse for the ps1.
 

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*ahem* "This jsut in on fawkz newz: Vedio Gaems cause the Shootign in Norway because being a psycho in the firstp lace doesnt count *ahem*. If this happened. I CALLED IT.
 

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I completely understand the reasoning. He boasted about how he was going to kill these people and what methods he was going to use. It's not stupid for these retailers to pull these while their country buries the dead.

How any of you can call them stupid is utterly disgraceful and you should be ashamed. People who lost loved ones don't want to be reminded that a psycho killed their family when they see a game title he named.

harvz said:
wait a second, the only truly good games out of that are the modern warfare series...maybe ghost warrior...how is this the list of banned games when there is shit a lot worse for the ps1.
There is NOTHING good about Modern Warfare. Quit lyin'.
 

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Although i dont care for the games i am a bit embarrassed over my country. Mr.Lunatic just want to cause as much damage as possible. when he said he was using CoD as training(or whatever) he basically said: Ban this. but the fact that he was christian didn't spring to mind.

Yeah he was using guns too! Would be much more efficient banning those
 

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First they came for the FPS games and I was silent...
Then they came for WoW and I was silent...
Then they came for the obscure furry romance JRPGs and woe, for there was no-one left to speak up for me!

Just because I don't particularly enjoy current FPS games, doesn't mean this isn't a dick move.

Also he wasn't a WOW player, as is said, it was just a cover, if he was a WOW player he wouldn't have left the house with a raid on that night.

Honestly, we just need to stop using words like terrorist and 'religious extremist' and just put them all down as 'nutter', as they long stopped following any real religion or idealogy, and there'd be a lot less respect for anyone if on the news they didn't use 'terrorist' but simply stated 'There was minor collateral damage in Missouri today when a ... nutjob fucknugget blew himself up, displaying nothing but his own idiocy to the world.'

'Perhaps in the horrible case where they hurt or kill others, the term could be 'clueless waste of life' or something else, just to make sure there's ZERO glory in being a violent twunt.

I'd like to state I have sympathy for anyone who lost anyone to the actions of this lone crazy fuckwit, but I sure as hell ain't gonna label him terrorist, right wing, or anything else. I don't like the right wing bunch, but he was far beyond mere politics when he strapped the gun on.
 

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A religious extremists killed people because they belong to another religion and videogames are the problem here?

Sure, why blame religions and and banning extremist mosques and churches when you can just scapegoat videogames.
 

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Radelaide said:
harvz said:
wait a second, the only truly good games out of that are the modern warfare series...maybe ghost warrior...how is this the list of banned games when there is shit a lot worse for the ps1.
There is NOTHING good about Modern Warfare. Quit lyin'.
as far as AAA games are concerned, its pretty good in comparison (excluding halo reach) and its the only COD game ive finished. of course i only have played the single player.
 

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Gotta love the trolls.

over 50 people were killed that day. By a single man.

This world can be fucked up.
 

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Ah Norway, strengthening democracy by pulling games from the shelves. Oh the irony. I am disgusted.
 

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Can you imagine the outrage if retailers banned certain books every time a mass murderer read or claimed to have been inspired by it. Books like the Bible and the Koran would never be sold at all and even if retailers claimed banning them was done out of respect to the victims of the crime it would cause riots since many would see it as a grave insult to the religious text since the retailers would be demonstrating by removing these books that they directly parted some part as they apparently encourage mass killings. Retailers didn't remove "The Catcher in the Rye" after John Lennon was shot, "The Collector" by John Fowles linked with a number of serial killers or "Rage" by Stephen King linked with a few mass school killings. Actually "Rage" is a bad example since it is no longer published. Hopefully this type of attitude towards games will fade out through the years as more and more of the worlds generations have grown up actually playing games. Comic books and movies used to have the same problem its time video games gained the same respect.
 

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And yet no-one has pulled Bibles from the shelves..... Probably not the first to say it.

Captcha: customer is always right
 

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america ,if we want to keep the respect of norway. we must join in on the festivities and destroy all the cods in our local gamestops,walmarts, and targets.
You get the pitch forks, I'll get the angry mob


Your Local DJ said:
Gotta love the trolls.

over 50 people were killed that day. By a single man.

This world can be fucked up.
Really dude? Really? Did you just find this out? Are you that naive?
OT:No one here is making fun of the people killed (I could be wrong), we're just making fun of the retailers.... and some of the games (mostly the games).
 

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And yet no-one has pulled Bibles from the shelves..... Probably not the first to say it.

Captcha: customer is always right
Maybe not but no ones mentioned The Koran ,"The Catcher in the Rye", "The Collector" or "Rage" yet.(I think)
 

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DaHero said:
Stealthygamer said:
In my honest opinion CSS is the only good game there, and its much cheaper to get it off steam
A multiplayer only quickscoping ego tournament...

Nope, nothing of value was lost to the industry.
Custom maps and gamemodes are what make CSS
 

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lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Improvizor is right.

What good would that do me? Would it bring my kid back if some Store decided they want to use my personal tragedy for publicity and ''thwart'' the killers manifesto in the process. No, it wouldn't. So exactly how is something like this supposed to help anybody cope? All they are doing is looking for a superficial REASON, the only reason behind those killing is that the man is insane. It's not because of Games, Books, TV, Movies, Comics, Drugs, Sex or Rock n' Roll. None of this has anything to do with anything, aside from the fact that a insane man mentioned them, all they are doing is acknowledging him. They might aswell just say ''Yeah, you're obviosly right.'' or ''Good job, you scared us enough to make us get rid of a product, mission accomplished.''. Real good message you're sending there.

And just for the record, if anybody ever killed a child of mine, and they mentioned a book, the only way I would consider the book a threat were if it were titled ''101 ways to kill Children!''.

The only thing that would possibly make me feel a little better in a situation like that, is if the police offered me to rip out his Jugular with my bare Hands, that might help, a little.
 

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Stealthygamer said:
DaHero said:
Stealthygamer said:
In my honest opinion CSS is the only good game there, and its much cheaper to get it off steam
A multiplayer only quickscoping ego tournament...

Nope, nothing of value was lost to the industry.
Custom maps and gamemodes are what make CSS
Experience tells otherwise, no offense. It's easier to join a server and hear a kid raging.
 

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Removing games?

What a bunch of cowards.

Games do not force people to do anything. This is more about a mentally disturbed man not getting the help he needs, which is a failure of his friends, town, and government.
 

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And nothing of value was lost.
while i agree, its still right up there in the 'dumbest things ever' list -.-

the dood was whacked BEFORE playing those, so yanking em off shelves fixes absolutely NOTHING
 

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I'm Norwegian. And I'm offended. Big time. I thought we were immune to the American levels of stupid.

This just proved me wrong.
 

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Norway is a really liberal country and I know that they've criticized the no-R18 thing and Germany game censorship once before (or at least some of their political people have anyway) so they'll probably start selling those games again eventually.
 

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Sounds like the first thing Norway needs is a nice big fat BANHAMMER on Video Games and Religion!

Thats the best way to fix this in the end

BANHAMMER
 

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Norway is casting aside all of its war-based video games?

[HEADING=2]Their defenses are broken! Let the slaughter begin![/HEADING]

MWA HA HA HA HAAA!! Without their precious training programs, we will swoop in and take over!

(Obvious satire.)
Oh how i do love that Megatron quote of yours it made my nostalgia sense tingle.
 

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This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
 

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Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
I don't know if I agree with that. the gamestop retailers near where I currently live know me by name, and from my point of few they seem pretty smart...

But I will admit to the idiocy (hope I spelled that right...) on this one. I mean, World of Warcraft... Really? I've never even played that game, and them removing it from the shelves doesn't even make sense to me. I can understand the FPS's like Counter Strike, or Modern Warfare, but WoW.... Really? I mean, I'm sure it can get violent at times, but... really?
 

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This doesn't seem very cool but it happens I believe catcher in the rye was removed when it was involved in its own controversy. If you want it but don't have it just wait awhile. It will come around and will probably not cost much at all to buy when it does.
 

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personally I hate this kind of knee jerk reaction, it just stinks of hypocrisy. Also pulling a few games "out of respect" just gives them a negative image. This in no means is suppose to trample the feelings of those who disagree, I just find it really silly that these games get pulled when the media gets its panties in a twist.
 

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LoL, extremist commits mass murder, and in turn extreme actions are taken just because he had limited interaction with a particular medium. Somehow, it doesn't actually make any sense.
 

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lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
No, it's utter nonsense. Basic respect is not giving in to irrational desires and slighting someone else who was not at all responsible. Basic respect is blaming who is responsible, not a scapegoat.
 

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Norway, you do know you're well known for your notorious link to black metal...right? Several musicians involved with murders and church burnings in the name of Satan? Maybe I'm just prodding at nothing or I don't have my facts straight, but it just seems weird.
 

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World...of...Warcraft.


...Oh sod off really? Every other game involves guns and semi serious subject matter. But the colourful, cartoony, nonsensical, puntastic, culture referance packed WoW?

Get out out of here you morons.
 

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There are only 2 games in that list that are worth two shits not directly to the face. I'm not quite sure why they would get rid of WoW though, besides the fact it is WAAAAY to addicting for its' own good.
 

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anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
 

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AngelOfBlueRoses said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
I think it's funny that you're telling someone that they can't say how they'll react if their child ever dies, but then go back around to TELL them how they'll react in such an event. Isn't it hilarious?! No, not really. Maybe because I'm an avid gamer and also an avid literature-reader, I could safely realize that, in the event of my child ever getting killed, the killer listing a book or a game - either of which you're saying are supplied by a major retailer - is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. Call of Duty does NOT help you with weapons training. A controller is the exact opposite from a real damn fire-arm that requires real training to be used in an accurate manner. And I doubt any book supplied by a major retailer is going to have such a great psychological effect on someone that they'd turn around and murder someone - and in the event that did happen, I'd see straight through that bull to realize that that person is just completely effing insane and is using something as a scapegoat.

In the event of my child being murdered, the only thing that would give me any gratification would be the killer being put behind bars to slowly rot - not a game or book from a clearly bullshit manifesto, written by someone who is addled in the head, being taken off of retail. Because I realize that games and books and movies do not work that way on people who are not psychotic.
Welcome to grief. Grief has very little to do with what you know logically.
 

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lacktheknack said:
AngelOfBlueRoses said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
I think it's funny that you're telling someone that they can't say how they'll react if their child ever dies, but then go back around to TELL them how they'll react in such an event. Isn't it hilarious?! No, not really. Maybe because I'm an avid gamer and also an avid literature-reader, I could safely realize that, in the event of my child ever getting killed, the killer listing a book or a game - either of which you're saying are supplied by a major retailer - is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. Call of Duty does NOT help you with weapons training. A controller is the exact opposite from a real damn fire-arm that requires real training to be used in an accurate manner. And I doubt any book supplied by a major retailer is going to have such a great psychological effect on someone that they'd turn around and murder someone - and in the event that did happen, I'd see straight through that bull to realize that that person is just completely effing insane and is using something as a scapegoat.

In the event of my child being murdered, the only thing that would give me any gratification would be the killer being put behind bars to slowly rot - not a game or book from a clearly bullshit manifesto, written by someone who is addled in the head, being taken off of retail. Because I realize that games and books and movies do not work that way on people who are not psychotic.
Welcome to grief. Grief has very little to do with what you know logically.
I guess I'm just able to grief with rational thought and put blame where it is actually due, then. Shame.

lacktheknack said:
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
I don't think you know what that word means!

-clears throat-

Motive - the goal or object of a person's actions: Her motive was revenge.

Well, if you had read, games were never the motive. At best, you can say that the killer called them the tool, which, let's face it, we all know is clearly bullshit. His real motive was "a call for a Christian war to defend Europe against Muslims" a la Christian Crusader.
 

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Fellas, this was obviously part of his plan... The man might be a psychopath but he isn't stupid, he knows how to mess with people.
Exactly.

This guy has already proven to be very methodical so I wouldn't be surprised that claiming he used videos games was apart of his plans. The stores can claim they're pulling the games from shelves as an act of respect and that's fine. However, if the games he cited continue to be the main focus afterwards, it will only show how much people have given this psycho power over their decision making.
 

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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Condor219 said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Agreed.

But why was World of Warcraft pulled? I can see why they'd stop selling violent shooters concurrent with what actually happened, but how is that relevant, even if he used it as a "cover story"?
Stealthygamer said:
In my honest opinion CSS is the only good game there, and its much cheaper to get it off steam
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Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
haha first comment, QFT

I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to think such..but it seems quite a few agree.
teh_Canape said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
what are you talking about?
Counter Strike: Source is awesome
DaHero said:
Stealthygamer said:
In my honest opinion CSS is the only good game there, and its much cheaper to get it off steam
A multiplayer only quickscoping ego tournament...

Nope, nothing of value was lost to the industry.
InsomniJack said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Ditto.

Well, except for Homefront.

Slightly.
The Lugz said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
This, concise, precise.

honestly though, these games are just killing simulators and provide little to nothing to stimulate the brain, is it any bad thing if they are resigned to the scrap heap?
Roboto said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
You /thread ed on the first post. Well played indeed.

If only we could get these games pulled in the states, innovation explosion shall occureth!
Stilkon said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
Pretty accurate statement right here.
ElPatron said:
I want to know about Bobby Kotick's reaction.

But I agree, nothing of value was lost.
You guys ARE joking, right?
spectrenihlus said:
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
First they came for the Call of Duty but I did nothing for I hated that game...
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
Should they pull water too, because he couldn't have done this without water. Video games don't train you to kill people, Penn and Teller pretty much debunked this.

My captcha is "norwegian cruise line"...
 

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Should they pull water too, because he couldn't have done this without water.

My captcha is "norwegian cruise line"...
kids could drown on water too

BAN IT I SAY
 

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Bags159 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
Should they pull water too, because he couldn't have done this without water. Video games don't train you to kill people, Penn and Teller pretty much debunked this.
The thing is, the killer claimed that he used it in his training regimen. He didn't claim that he trained himself with water.

I don't give a damn about rationality here, grieving people aren't rational. It's only a temporary pull, for the simple reason of helping people move on.

Take it from someone who went through four years of non-stop, agonizing grief: Every bit helps. Even the token and symbolic gestures.
 

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While I can't say I'm really a fan of any of the games they've pulled, that is irrelevant and this is still ridiculous. Even if it's only a temperory measure, I fail to see how this respects the families of the victims. If anything, it insults the intelligence of everyone in Norway that can play a game and then not go on a violent rampage. Y'know, like everyone that wasn't already extremely mentally unstable in the first place.
So true.

It's not like he did it BECAUSE of video games. I'm sure he did other things in his spare time. Maybe he liked drinking coffee, so the coffee shops should close out of respect.

Seriously though, he was on a shitload of drugs to make him more alert and stuff so I sure as hell hope those drugs aren't available across the counter.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Bags159 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
Should they pull water too, because he couldn't have done this without water. Video games don't train you to kill people, Penn and Teller pretty much debunked this.
The thing is, the killer claimed that he used it in his training regimen. He didn't claim that he trained himself with water.

I don't give a damn about rationality here, grieving people aren't rational. It's only a temporary pull, for the simple reason of helping people move on.

Take it from someone who went through four years of non-stop, agonizing grief: Every bit helps. Even the token and symbolic gestures.
But you can't use it in your training regimen. That's as insane as if I claimed I used Motorstorm to learn how to race off-road.

If someone ran over a family member and blamed GTA, frankly I'd be confused and maybe insulted. Video games don't kill people. He killed people.

Get a spine Norwegian retailers. People aren't retarded.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Bags159 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
Should they pull water too, because he couldn't have done this without water. Video games don't train you to kill people, Penn and Teller pretty much debunked this.
The thing is, the killer claimed that he used it in his training regimen. He didn't claim that he trained himself with water.

I don't give a damn about rationality here, grieving people aren't rational. It's only a temporary pull, for the simple reason of helping people move on.

Take it from someone who went through four years of non-stop, agonizing grief: Every bit helps. Even the token and symbolic gestures.
But you can't use it in your training regimen. That's as insane as if I claimed I used Motorstorm to learn how to race off-road.
But it doesn't sound insane to some of the people that are affected.

I said "token and symbolic" for a reason. Stop trying to make everything fit your point of view, the entire crux of my argument relies on being empathetic and viewing it from someone else's emotional viewpoint.

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If someone ran over a family member and blamed GTA, frankly I'd be confused and maybe insulted. Video games don't kill people. He killed people.

YOU'D be confused and insulted. Someone else wouldn't respond the same as you.

Get a spine Norwegian retailers. People aren't retarded.
No, they aren't. It's just that "video games cause violence" is currently conventional wisdom, and stunningly, not EVERYONE has done their research, or even played one, whether you like it or not. Retardedness is irrelevant.
 

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waits...world of warcraft?....what??

one of thease things is not like the other....
 

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Yea, because Call of Duty is soooo realistic. I would definitely turn to that game to hone my shooting skillz!!!

So is anyone thinking he is bullshiting about some of this or what?
 

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Well I certainly hope that they've also figured out what movies, books, music, washing machine brand and toilet cleaner he preferred as well and pulled them from shelves. What, they're all about as relevant as the video games. Hell, with the media flaring up over some of the literature he had on his bookshelves why aren't some retailers removing them for 'respect'. Utter nonsense. I mean, they're free to do whatever they want, but it's still utter nonsense propped up by fear-mongering and what I like to call 'douchebag worship'(i.e. obsessing over a mass murderer or killer and their lifestyle).
 

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amazing how stupid this world gets by the minute. like using the brain is really hard to do now. not for long and every one will blame santa clause for making children sad because he doesnt exist.
like pulling of these games will really make a difference or help the people who lost some one in that attack.
just stupid. simply stupid.
 

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Feel free to correct me, but doesn't Norway have a compulsory Military Service for all men? He's trolling the fuck out of you, Modern Warfare didn't teach him shit, he learned as part of his own legally mandated service.

This is not an argument against Norway's National Service, just saying, his actual instruction from firearms came from a highly accredited source: the Norwegian Armed Forces, which makes me feel something I'm unable to articulate properly.......
 

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ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
No, they're not morons. Temporarily pulling those games from the shelves is not only the right thing to do out of respect for the people who were hurt by the massacre, it is the right thing to do out of a business standpoint as well. In a store of that size, with that many people shopping in it, for every single little detail that isn't perfect, you have a customer that is ready to throw a fit over it. I've seen people go to the newspaper and cry "scandal!" over issues far, far less significant than this.

Regardless of where these retailers stand in the whole "games cause violence" debate (odds are they don't even care), it would be moronic for them to risk upsetting paying customers, especially when it comes to an issue that is currently ass sensitive as this.
Can I commit a killing spree in half the Europe, then list them few hundred thousands of songs, books, movies and video games, and get them all banned everywhere?

"Oh, this is the game that CAUSED him to kill... it's of course not his upbringing or emotional/psychical problems, it was all the game's fault".
 

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And nothing of value was lost.
Agreed.

But why was World of Warcraft pulled? I can see why they'd stop selling violent shooters concurrent with what actually happened, but how is that relevant, even if he used it as a "cover story"?
What if all the psycotic 13 year olds got it in their heads to shoot lighning out of their hands and throw axes at each other? Either way does it really matter? They would pull fucking Barby Pony Adventure off the shelf if he claimed he played it.
 

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Actually, they put some attention to what kind of games he was playing before he even mentioned what he had used them to. In the newspaper the next day, they named some of the games he played just out of the blue.

As for the removing the games from the stores? I don't believe that has any worth, unless some families requested it, which I doubt.
 

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What is the big deal!?

They did not ban the games, or even call for their ban. They just chose to not sell them for a while to show sympathy and respect, and to avoid customers or people randomly walking past the store to get upset.
Also no one is saying that these games caused him to kill. He just said that it helped him train. Everybody knows that is bullshit, but when such a tragedy is involved, it does not hurt to show as much consideration for the victims as you can, if it is rational or not.

Can we please get over ourselves enough to see that the feelings of those involved is more important than beeing able to buy CoD in a brick and mortar in Norway? Do you really think anyone actually cares, that now they have to have it shipped to them, provided they don´t all ready have it if they are at all interessted? Do you really want to argue that Modern Warfare is such a work of high art that doing without it for a few weeks will really impact the lives of, well, anyone?

Calm down and stop calling people morons who have very good reasons for what they did, while you have no reason what so ever to even care.
 

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(if I remember correctly) it kinda reminds me of when September 11 happened... violent action movie production was paused and I remember a music video being refilmed because near the end the house crumbled down...

in a way, I suppose I can understand the retailers pulling games off the shelf. but I think explosive movies like Transformers deserve to be pulled off the theatres as well.
 

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Ironically, no mention of them removing the (also mentioned by Breivik) Dragon Age or Bioshock series from sale, just your sterotypical manshoots. And WoW, for some reason. Then again, he did only mention them once, and usually followed by the words to the effect of "and I enjoyed it".

(Source: this excellent blog post [http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2011/07/25/3277688.htm] by the Australian ABC, refuting the country's Christian lobby's claims that videogames were involved.)

There also the small fact that the games in question are still all available in your digital distribution store of choice.
 

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"out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]."
huh, really? what about the food and drinks he likes...And his favourite utility company,political party, music band, his (assumed) porn collection? What about them!?

Maddness >.>
Lacoste is actually suffering because he wore Lacoste clothes in public after the incident and wrote that Lacoste is his favourite brand in his manifesto. I would say that on top of being a horrible person for the acts of terror he's also a major troll. I'm sad to see my city harmed this way and I am also sad to see another setback for gaming.


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I'm assuming that for those things, he only...
food/drink: Baby kittens and blood
Utility Company: None
Political party: Commie!
Music Band: Marylin Manson (when HASN'T he ever been blamed for this shit...)
Porn: Child porn.

Lets also assume that Call of Duty and World of Warcraft makes us like these things more (I mean hey, Gnomes are kid sized...).
HATE MORE ON THEM!
Funny how you should put the blame on communists when it's clearly been stated everywhere that he was a right wing extremist not a left wing.
 

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I'm Norwegian. And I'm offended. Big time. I thought we were immune to the American levels of stupid.

This just proved me wrong.
there was never an american level of stupid.people are stupid in general except yahtzee
 

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america ,if we want to keep the respect of norway. we must join in on the festivities and destroy all the cods in our local gamestops,walmarts, and targets.
You get the pitch forks, I'll get the angry mob


Your Local DJ said:
Gotta love the trolls.

over 50 people were killed that day. By a single man.

This world can be fucked up.
Really dude? Really? Did you just find this out? Are you that naive?
OT:No one here is making fun of the people killed (I could be wrong), we're just making fun of the retailers.... and some of the games (mostly the games).
but but one of them has turned into a newt D:
 

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I'm Norwegian. And I'm offended. Big time. I thought we were immune to the American levels of stupid.

This just proved me wrong.
As a fellow Norwegian I'm gonna have to quote you for truth on this one. This isn't showing any respect, this stupidity is just outright insulting our intelligence.
 

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That's just disgusting... They still bury their dead, and these guys wanna downplay his actions and make excuses for it. He killed 80 something people.

"out of respect and in respect to those affected [by the attacks]." This is not the way you do it. What he did was horrible and unforgivable. He shouldn't be shown any compassion, any understanding, and shouldn't have excuses made for him. Oh, it wasn't really his fault, it was the video games, yeah that's disgusting.
 

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and I'm curious as to if Norway is going to stop WoW period, including people who already have accounts or not, cause i could see some civil liberties being stepped on and if not, at least some retribution sought for the monthly fee that will be lost.
One of the retailers who removed these games is a grocery store and the other is a store that primarily sells music and films. None of the mayor game retailers have stopped selling these games. This will probably have little effect on the Norwegian gaming policy, or whatever it's called. Also, the Prime Minister plays Age of Empires 2, so I doubt he would try to ban games.
 

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Don't they get it?
He did this to have power.
This gives him power! Do people really think he even cares about culture and religion?! This is just a psycho wanting to make a big boom.
Dumbasses...
 

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The killer also has eaten food. Say, tuna. Are they gonna pull tuna too?

BTW funny that Battlefield wasn't affected. This could actually give EA marketing some ideas. You know how those people are. They wouldn't mind killing another 100 of people to claim that COD is a murder trainer.
 

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Meh, so long as it's temporary, I don't think this is a particularly big deal. It's probably going to make gamers look worse making a big deal out of the temporary ban than just waiting it out.

It's disconcerting to be sure, but it's also just a good business move on their part.
 

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Ah Norway, strengthening democracy by pulling games from the shelves. Oh the irony. I am disgusted.
Two private retailers did this, not the government. And it's just temporarily.

EDIT: That doesn't make it any less stupid, though.
 

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Yeah.."Out of respect"..Whut? Why would anyone of the victims families care if they pull videogame that the attacker supposedly played?
 

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lacktheknack said:
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
So just because the killer said so, you believe that video games really did in fact have something to do with his actions?
 

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Oh for fucks sake, this anti-games bullshit is getting more pathetic by the day. I give up on these morons...
 

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I don't understand why it's always taken out on games?? Why not stop selling DVDs that have guns/shooting in them? Why not stop selling CDs with lyrics about guns/killing people?

Not that I'm actually saying that they should stop selling all of them, but I think if you're going to kill people - a video game is not going to be a deciding factor for you.
 

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Littaly said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
No, they're not morons. Temporarily pulling those games from the shelves is not only the right thing to do out of respect for the people who were hurt by the massacre, it is the right thing to do out of a business standpoint as well. In a store of that size, with that many people shopping in it, for every single little detail that isn't perfect, you have a customer that is ready to throw a fit over it. I've seen people go to the newspaper and cry "scandal!" over issues far, far less significant than this.

Regardless of where these retailers stand in the whole "games cause violence" debate (odds are they don't even care), it would be moronic for them to risk upsetting paying customers, especially when it comes to an issue that is currently ass sensitive as this.
They are actively encouraging misconceptions and flat out myths about games while at the same time moving focus away from the real causes of the attack.

If they believe they are doing the right thing with this they are ignorant and stupid; if they are just doing this from a business/PR standpoint then they are even WORSE as they would be trying to profit from the deaths of over 90 people.

Nothing is less disrespectful to the victims than to completely misunderstand this tragedy by blaming it on video games rather on the REAL issues that caused it (racism, gun control, mental illness etc).
 

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anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
So just because the killer said so, you believe that video games really did in fact have something to do with his actions?
You don't read what I write, do you? Or do you not acknowledge viewpoints that aren't your own? (I'm not referring to mine, either, I'm talking about the grieving families.)
 

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Littaly said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
No, they're not morons. Temporarily pulling those games from the shelves is not only the right thing to do out of respect for the people who were hurt by the massacre, it is the right thing to do out of a business standpoint as well. In a store of that size, with that many people shopping in it, for every single little detail that isn't perfect, you have a customer that is ready to throw a fit over it. I've seen people go to the newspaper and cry "scandal!" over issues far, far less significant than this.

Regardless of where these retailers stand in the whole "games cause violence" debate (odds are they don't even care), it would be moronic for them to risk upsetting paying customers, especially when it comes to an issue that is currently ass sensitive as this.
They are actively encouraging misconceptions and flat out myths about games while at the same time moving focus away from the real causes of the attack.

If they believe they are doing the right thing with this they are ignorant and stupid; if they are just doing this from a business/PR standpoint then they are even WORSE as they would be trying to profit from the deaths of over 90 people.

Nothing is less disrespectful to the victims than to completely misunderstand this tragedy by blaming it on video games rather on the REAL issues that caused it (racism, gun control, mental illness etc).
Thankfully, they're not blaming it on the games. If they were, this wouldn't be a temporary pull.
 

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Thankfully, they're not blaming it on the games. If they were, this wouldn't be a temporary pull.
By pulling the games, even temporarily, they are acknowledging that these games somehow contributed to the tragedy when they clearly did not.

This act is EXACTLY the same as if the the killer had said "McNuggets gave me the strength to do this" and then McDonald's temporarily pulled their nuggets "out of respect".

This is:

Ignorant, if this action was taken out of honest belief that video games helped cause this tragedy.

Amoral, if this action was taken to gain public recognition.
 

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lacktheknack said:
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
anthony87 said:
lacktheknack said:
ImprovizoR said:
Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
So just because the killer said so, you believe that video games really did in fact have something to do with his actions?
You don't read what I write, do you? Or do you not acknowledge viewpoints that aren't your own? (I'm not referring to mine, either, I'm talking about the grieving families.)
I read what you wrote and the part that stood out for me is now bolded so that you can see what I'm refering to. You stated yourself that the games were part of the motive according to the killer. Which is why I asked if you really believe that.
 

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i hope they also pulled out the brand of toast he ate that morning
it's TERRORIST TOAST!!!
 

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I wasn't aware there was a retail version of Counter-Strike: Source...

Also, this is dumb. If he had said a movie made him do it, nothing would have happened.
 

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No, talk of gun control or stopping people from going to gun ranges to practice shoot, as he did, but get the games, yeah that will do it.

I say keep the games on the shelf and the dumb idea that COD MW makes you better at shooting real guns, so these kind of nut bangs get lower death tolls than if they had spent their time joining gun clubs or the military. Harness the dumbness....
 

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PixelKing said:
He used WoW as a cover, nothing else.
Deshara said:
And nothing of value was lost.
*cough*Counter Strike*cough*

EDIT: Someone posted that in his manifesto he was encouraging other extremists to use WoW as a cover story, thanks for pointing that out. And I'd just like to say R.I.P to all the dead and my sorrows go out to the families of the dead.
CS:S :( Well most people own it by now already though.
 

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This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
 

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What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
It's strange to see the words "Activision" and "innocent" together.

OT: While I disslike them doing this out of principle (what the killer wants etc.), I would probably care more if it wasn't a department store and a record store.
 

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Snordraken said:
spectrenihlus said:
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
It's strange to see the words "Activision" and "innocent" together.

OT: While I disslike them doing this out of principle (what the killer wants etc.), I would probably care more if it wasn't a department store and a record store.
I am glad that this is a purely a voluntary decision on the part of the retailers but it still shows that the populace thinks gaming leads to disasters such as these which studies time and time again show that they don't.
 

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Samurai Silhouette said:
This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.

I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
 

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Samurai Silhouette said:
spectrenihlus said:
Samurai Silhouette said:
This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.

I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.
 

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As a Norwegian, I can attest that noone buys videogames from these stores anyway, except maybe parents and grandparents on a holiday last-minute shopping panic. Stay calm, move along...
 

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spectrenihlus said:
Samurai Silhouette said:
spectrenihlus said:
Samurai Silhouette said:
This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

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I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.

I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.
I saw that argument coming, it's why I said "considered a lethal weapon". I was indirectly referring to actual weapons.

I honestly don't believe the retail stores want to take the games off their shelves. The people making those decisions are more than likely gamers like you and me. They probably believe it's best for their business and the game industry as a whole. "Out of sight, out of mind." I'm sure they don't want to see games being taken off the map. Who has the clairvoyance to know the consequences of these decisions? Our response to what's probably their best intentions makes the gaming community look like insensitive pricks. That doesn't help our image any either.
 

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Samurai Silhouette said:
spectrenihlus said:
Samurai Silhouette said:
spectrenihlus said:
Samurai Silhouette said:
This hasn't affected me in any way shape or form. However, I'm not so ignorant to say that I don't care about it happening elsewhere because the movement may gain momentum and happen here.

OT
I agree with the temporary take down of the games due to sympathy... as long as it's temporary.
What if the murderer said that pencils where a key component in his ability to do what he did, should pencils be taken away out of sympathy? No because that would be stupid to punish an innocent business like Activision ( yes in this case they are innocent) is simply wrong.
The pencil tool itself has zero persuasive value. It does not depict any sort of violence, nor is it considered a lethal weapon. Now the material a person can create with that pencil however holds that power. It's the art (in this case, the games) that I'm referring to.

I'd disagree if it was a permanent take down, but this is just a sensitivity issue. You think an up-to-date Norwegian parent would be thrilled to see their child walk in the door with one of those games on the list just after the incident? Some might even pubically rally to ban the games all together, and we know what happens when games end up in the news in a negative light. Take them down for a while and let the shitstorm settle. Then after everyone has gone back to their normal lives and figure it really wasn't the games that really influenced this, put it back on the shelves. Probably the best choice of action for everyone involved. What's happening to the games is what I believe to be collateral damage.
Oh i dunno I could pretty severe damage with a sharpened pencil. If the games where not the problem in the first place then they shouldn't have been taken away by doing this act the retailers have enforced the belief that games cause these tragedies, this only hurts our position.
I saw that argument coming, it's why I said "considered a lethal weapon". I was indirectly referring to actual weapons.

I honestly don't believe the retail stores want to take the games off their shelves. The people making those decisions are more than likely gamers like you and me. They probably believe it's best for their business and the game industry as a whole. "Out of sight, out of mind." I'm sure they don't want to see games being taken off the map. Who has the clairvoyance to know the consequences of these decisions? Our response to what's probably their best intentions makes the gaming community look like insensitive pricks. That doesn't help our image any either.
It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.
 

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It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.
Convince the hundreds, if not thousands of people in that country who were affected by the incident into your views. They're probably more incorrigible than you are about the issue due to the fact that this nut job directly said they were his "training simulators". What's the problem of trying to minimize unfortunate collateral damage by granting people a little sense of grace?
 

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It's not insensitive when you know that these games had absolutely nothing to do with the murder's actions.
Convince the hundreds, if not thousands of people in that country who were affected by the incident into your views. They're probably more incorrigible than you are about the issue due to the fact that this nut job directly said they were his "training simulators". What's the problem of trying to minimize unfortunate collateral damage by granting people a little sense of grace?
That's the point he is insane what he says has little to no basis in reality.
 

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And nothing of value was lost.
what are you talking about?
Counter Strike: Source is awesome


It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
 

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And nothing of value was lost.
what are you talking about?
Counter Strike: Source is awesome


It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XD
 

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teh_Canape said:
TypeSD said:
teh_Canape said:
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And nothing of value was lost.
what are you talking about?
Counter Strike: Source is awesome


It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XD

If you're going to ban anything, get rid of ARMA >_>' show some common sense.
 

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TypeSD said:
teh_Canape said:
TypeSD said:
teh_Canape said:
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And nothing of value was lost.
what are you talking about?
Counter Strike: Source is awesome


It's not even realistic. What, I suppose most counter terrorism ops have everyone running around an area with a "buy" limit, and a piece of C4 with the SAME DISARM CODE EVERY SINGLE TIME. It has guns, so why aren't they banning every single WW2 game as well?
may as well ban movies and TV as well if we're going with weapons XD

If you're going to ban anything, get rid of ARMA >_>' show some common sense.
that's the thing
those bans make no sense
 

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Restrictions are exactly what he wants

thy should go after the church as well since Breivik considered himself a Templar defending Norway from Islamic invasion
 

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WoW AND CoD.....

BAHAHAHAHA.

On a serious note, bit of a shame video retailers are doing it, but if it helps in the slightest way for those who lost people to move on and all that jazz, then I guess its for a good cause, even for only a week+
 

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Those retailers are morons. And that's just putting it mildly.
How dare they show basic respect to the families of the victims.

If he had claimed that he read a book before killing your child, it doesn't matter how accurate the statement is, you'd be glad and comforted that the local bookstores pulled the book from shelves, even if only temporarily.

I don't give a damn how "calm and reasoned" you think you are (as evident in "the retailers are morons"), if you lost your child, you'd feel damn good about the killer's manifesto being thwarted in some way.
That's some god awful flawed logic right there. By your line of reasoning if a bunch of people got run over by a nutjob with a car then should they temporarily stop selling cars as a sign of respect for the people killed?
No. This would be the killer saying "THIS CAR MADE ME DO IT", which absolutely no one would buy.

However, of the families of the victims, some believe that the games were a part of the motive - and they were. The killer has said so. Thus, it's respectful to temporarily stop selling the games.

Grieving has little to do with logic. Perfectly logical people don't grieve.
So just because the killer said so, you believe that video games really did in fact have something to do with his actions?
You don't read what I write, do you? Or do you not acknowledge viewpoints that aren't your own? (I'm not referring to mine, either, I'm talking about the grieving families.)
I read what you wrote and the part that stood out for me is now bolded so that you can see what I'm refering to. You stated yourself that the games were part of the motive according to the killer. Which is why I asked if you really believe that.
No, I don't.

But it doesn't matter if I believe that, it matters if others believe that.
 

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Oh wow, he's pretty much saying "We're pulling these games off because they caused the incident and so if someone affiliated with the attack sees these games will become offended."

I'm betting at least one person related to the victims play one of those games.
No they are not saying that at all. So why dont you go back and read what they actually said before making idiotic statements like that.
 

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Oh wow, he's pretty much saying "We're pulling these games off because they caused the incident and so if someone affiliated with the attack sees these games will become offended."

I'm betting at least one person related to the victims play one of those games.
No they are not saying that at all. So why dont you go back and read what they actually said before making idiotic statements like that.
I appreciate and respect someone when they correct me but I do not if that someone says it in a rude and disrespectful way. Having said that, I will re-read it and further analyse it. I wasn't so sure what it was trying to portray in the first place, but since the train of thought was held by other people I decided to think the same. They usually share the same opinion to me so I wouldn't think twice trusting them. *Re-reads.

Let me rephrase my sentence, note that I admit that I'm wrong.[sub]I didn't even have to read it again to know that.[/sub]

"We're pulling these games off because they were related to the incident and could offend someone related to the incident." Of course in this case it was apparently more than a mere object that literally helped him achieve his goal but rather a 'guide.' Modern Warfare 2 served as a 'guide' to help him do that right? Now if this was a book, I could in some perspective see it being taken down. But then that's because it could be much easier to see how a book would help. But a video game? It would be of no real help whatsoever. Playing a video game isn't going to help you train to go on an armed massacre. Hell playing Paint Ball or Lazer Tag could help more than playing a video game. But does that mean people would take down those? I'd like to think not.

So in some way they're saying it helped cause the incident. Are they not? After all his manifesto mentioned that they helped him do the gruesome attacks. I feel that this isn't a particularly smart move. It's obvious that he was targeting these games on purpose to do some kind of damage, and look at what happens. This is what he wants. At least that's what I think; if he wanted more people to do what was 'right', wouldn't he keep it a bit more secret instead of saying "Oh X and Y helped me do this?" I'm betting that he did it on purpose because he knew that it was a controversial topic. If the world does decide to do more than 'temporarily take down' the games then once again, he's probably going to be a happy man.

More assumptions; another reason why taking them down isn't the best idea is because that isn't going to exactly help people cope. This I'm not nearly as sure as, not that I was 100% sure in the first place, because I've never had to deal with the loss of a loved one. From my perspective, if some went on a rampage and mentioned that book, game or anything helped him I wouldn't mind if they kept it on shelves. It isn't going to suddenly make more people do the same thing and it isn't going to make me feel any better. To me, it'd just be pure rubbish.

My thoughts on this; feel free to criticize but please do so in a nicer manner. If you don't, I will simply ignore you.

Also, I'd like to note that in some way I do respect the fact that they're taking it down. Only because everyone grieves in different way. Logically, taking it down is stupid but once again, perspectives. I feel that in a way, the opposing sides are both right.
 

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MW2 is a good simulation of how to use a gun ........
That's like using a turkey sandwich as a flight-simulator
 

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At the very least, it's not a preventative measure, it's only out of respect.

Although, saying this I am justas baffled as anyone about the World of Warcraft part...

Granted there's a lot of killing in WoW, but the gameplay itself is more akin to online shopping than actual murder.

Beyond that though, I respect their choices.
 

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Madman points to games as training material to incite idiotic media affiliates, media affiliates believe him, everyone overreacts, and the intelligent among us roll our eyes.

Nothing to see here.
I agree. This is only going to add to the "Video games turn people into serial killers!" thing.
 

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Good to know Escapist is full of people who instantly defend video games no matter the context. I know it's hard for a lot of people to imagine, but this attack had a very serious effect on Norway. It's out of respect to the deceased and mourners (who there are more than enough of right now) and not as a pre-emptive attempt to stop any more attacks. It's not about how realistic the games are. It's not even about whatever the fuck the guy's agenda is about disrupting society. It's about respect and compassion.

Good job on completely missing the point everyone.
 

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They're doing the right thing, but for the wrong reasons: those are all horrible video games (except maybe Counter-Strike: Source).
 

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Here's a suicidal idea: ban everything killers may sometimes do and may have done. Crazies can be inspired by just about anything afteral.

If people weren't so dumb, we wouldn't be paying any attention at all to what a crazy serial killer may think or do in their spare time. His brain farts are going to be all fucked up.

People are giving the man actual credit by reading his personal life and making decisions based upon that info.

1/10 rated trolls deserve more attention than this killer.
 

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If the guy said that he jumped rope and ran 5k every day to train, would they close sidewalks and pull jump ropes from the shelves?
 

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And terrorism officially wins in this case...to an extent at least...and probably not in the way he was expecting.

Mass Effect 2 made me destroy an entire world and millions of Batarians along with it. Maybe they should get rid of that game too, in case I do something like that in real life.
 

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...and also stated that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 was a useful way to hone one's shooting skills.


Let's review children, Clicking a mouse is not the same as pulling a trigger!
 

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Brb, gonna go murder a school yard full of happy children, and blame it on the Rebecca Black.
I'll also do it on a friday, because it'll be even more fun fun fun...
 

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I'm Norwegian. And I'm offended. Big time. I thought we were immune to the American levels of stupid.

This just proved me wrong.
I also thought we were immune to this, but they just had to prove me wrong if they wanted to show respect to the people who lost their lives that disastrous day then put flowers at the memorial site don't do what the psycho behind this attack wants you to do

Still, it is a little reassuring to know that this is just a decision made by some retailers not our entire government but it does not make the decision any less stupid
 
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Good riddance. The store shelves will have space for actual good games instead of that CoD garbage.

Oh, and by the way, obviously we all know how playing CoD can make someone an crack US Marine in RL. Well I played Prototype and seriously, I can now morph my limbs into weapons and destroy tanks with fists. Oh and since playing BioShock I can shoot bees from my hands and Fallout 3 taught me to pick ALL locks by rotating a bobby pin clockwise and to sneak past anything by crouching.
 

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Do I even need to say anything about why this is stupid?

Were the book burnings hundreds of years ago okay? Did that stop people from doing evil? What's that? It didn't? :O...
 

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Good to know Escapist is full of people who instantly defend video games no matter the context. I know it's hard for a lot of people to imagine, but this attack had a very serious effect on Norway. It's out of respect to the deceased and mourners (who there are more than enough of right now) and not as a pre-emptive attempt to stop any more attacks. It's not about how realistic the games are. It's not even about whatever the fuck the guy's agenda is about disrupting society. It's about respect and compassion.

Good job on completely missing the point everyone.
So all the people murdered, are going to come back to live now those video games aren't sold anymore?
So all the family members of the deceased, witnesses, your entire nation, is going to feel better now those games are banned?

What has this to do with respect and compassion? You are basically doing what the terrorist wanted. Smart.