Not Enough to do in Fallout 3

[Logan Westbrook]

I played Bioshock for a few months and I played COD for even longer. It's not that i don't appreciate games, it's just that FO3 could've been so much more

How? I'm not saying I think it's perfect, but I'm curious to know how you think it could be improved.

 

[Susan Arendt]

Ok... I dont think anyone will agree with me on this, but I dont think there was enough to do in the game.
I have done, what I believe to be, every quest in the game. I have discovered evey location in the game, I have every weapon, and almost every achevement. The achevements I dont have require me to replay the game.
The game is really short, I did everything in a day of playing. Good and Evil are clearly defined. And there aren't enough quests and real decisions in the game to warrent my replaying the game.
The number of enemies in the game is rather small. The number of weapon variations in the game are even smaller. You cant go into most buildings either.
The game seems almost half done. Oblivion tops it, in my opinion, hands down. There was a lot more to do in it, and it has a lot higher replay value to me.
I'm just curious if anyone agrees with me.

Edit: I would like to point out I did say ALMOST all the achevements, the Karma ones being the ones Excluded... I would also like to say I played for a day, I.E. I woke up in the morining, sat my ass down and didnt get up till about the time I woke up the day previous.

Edit: When I say I have done everything, I don't mean I have Opened Every Lock, Hacked Every Computer, Or done every quest ending. But I have done each quest once, as I cannot bring myself to play through again.

Edit... Again: I am also aware that quest endings differ from eachother quite a bit, but the fact still remains that I dont have enough reason to care about the game, or anything in it, to actually warrent my going back and playing it when I can just as easily go on youtube and see a video of the other endings...

I'm not about to argue that there is or isn't enough to do in the game - that's really a matter of opinion - but I simply don't believe that you did every single quest in the game in just one day. Sorry, but I think you're either using hyperbole to make your point or just plain fibbing.

That said, I too prefer Oblivion to Fallout. Though I'm very much enjoying the time I'm spending with Fallout at the moment, I very much doubt I'll play through it a second time. I think the main quest is superior to that of Oblivions (honestly, the Oblivion gates were just such a snore), but I couldn't care much less about the people who live in the Capital Wasteland.

 

[Mishramir]

Yes, I registered to post this. No I'm not OP. Nichtsdestoweniger, I'm going to have to agree with OP. I played Fallout 3 for about 48 hours, subtracting a good 20 for sleep, food, and a class or two (this was last Halloween. I skipped Franklin St. for F3. Damn.) and I got just about every achievement, found damn near everything, (when I went to sleep, all I had left was the last little push in the Main Quest), and had rather thoroughly enjoyed myself. But, as much fun as the game was, it was, indeed, rather short.

Ok, I started another character, ignored sane skill/perk choices for cool sounding ones (Child at Heart + Little Lamplight = the most disappointing 10 minutes of November, including the trip there), and had myself a merry 150 (and still going) hours. Further, I'm all kinds of excited about Bethesda's secondary development team, the modding community (the folks who finish their games for them...).

But, as for the game Beth shipped, and the way I played it at first (y'know, selecting perks I thought would be useful, and not wasting time where I figured my character wouldn't), it was shamefully short, pointlessly easy, and worthy only because of how entertained I was during what little time I spent in D.C.

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

I played Bioshock for a few months and I played COD for even longer. It's not that i don't appreciate games, it's just that FO3 could've been so much more

How? I'm not saying I think it's perfect, but I'm curious to know how you think it could be improved.

Well I know you asked him but I have a few ideas...
More enemy varieties. Faster enemy respawn time. More sidequests. Higher Difficulty curve. More side quests Increased level cap.
And a better ending but everyone bitches about that one.

Better

 

[beastman227]

1) More quests: 16 Major quests isn't enough to give a game like FO3 the longevity it needs. 2) Better aiming system: sure, VATS is fun but it takes all the skill out of the game. That being said, there's no alternative because you can't aim for shit at a distance with the ridiculous crosshairs.
3) More control over your character: Sure, you can be a boy or a girl; black, white, etc... but I want to be a ghoul or enclave or raider.
That's how I think it could be improved

 

[Higurashi]

It's been said; rushed out. It can't grip me, partially because I've played Oblivion: tES a fair amount, but not mainly. Fallout 2 is the best game ever made, and this is like its antithesis in thorough game design. I'm really glad the voice acting was good, at least. I loathe the idea of the series being disgraced by a bad game.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

Fallout 2 is the best game ever made, and this is like its antithesis in thorough game design.

Care to expand on that point?

 

[Magnetic2]

sigh.. I have to agree with the OP, because I did all the quest, and hit up all the locations barring some train stations and I hit around 25 hours. Granted I have spent about a 100 hours on the game, once you know where everything is you can get through side quest very quickly. Also now I have a speed mod installed, probably should mention that.

 

[JWAN]

I agree with you that the game seems half done. It was rushed out, certainly.

I played it, found it mildly entertaining, finished it and moved on. There are much better games out there.

I agree it was rushed
they should have followed the Duke Nukem Developers path and gave it another year to perfect it.

 

[CrafterMan]

Characters like Mr Burke and Tenpenny made me LOVE that game.

Spent about 50+ hours playing that game, only the ending disappointed me, nothing else.

I found the quests shorter than Oblivion, but a whole lot more fulfilling.

My two cents,

Joe

 

[delet]

I really liked Fallout 3. I have every achievement in it, and in only one playthrough(very nice, easy exploit to get the Karma achievements). I don't have all the weapons yet, as in the special ones, but I've played the crap out of it. I truly love the game, though I agree there's not that much to do and not that much that would bring me to play it again. I'm counting on the DLC to come out and give me a bit more fun.

 

[beastman227]

how do you have all the achievements without all the special weapons?

 

[MattKirby]

Alright, I've read liek 16 posts and think I can formulate a valid opinion.

I think you're an achievement hounder because if you want to play a game for the sake of playing a fucking game you would have found it more enthralling as oppossed to half done. How do I know this because I spent the entire first of the game out the vault I went the wrong fuckign way for half an hour and did some questing. If you paly it casually it's very good I think the game is good and I think the storyline is as good as any game that's come out so far though I think Half Life 2 was a great game. I feel now that fallout 3 is the best game I've played. I just bought oblivion but haven't played it.

To sum up : If you play the game for the sake of atmosphere and gameplay it's a definite shot to play and it's definetly the best fallout without saying. But to say it's half done is absoloutley prepostorous. There's so much you can do. And as for the game being short. Just try actually walking around instead of Pip-Boy Teleporting.

 

[beastman227]

Alright, I've read liek 16 posts and think I can formulate a valid opinion.

I think you're an achievement hounder because if you want to play a game for the sake of playing a fucking game you would have found it more enthralling as oppossed to half done. How do I know this because I spent the entire first of the game out the vault I went the wrong fuckign way for half an hour and did some questing. If you paly it casually it's very good I think the game is good and I think the storyline is as good as any game that's come out so far though I think Half Life 2 was a great game. I feel now that fallout 3 is the best game I've played. I just bought oblivion but haven't played it.

To sum up : If you play the game for the sake of atmosphere and gameplay it's a definite shot to play and it's definetly the best fallout without saying. But to say it's half done is absoloutley prepostorous. There's so much you can do. And as for the game being short. Just try actually walking around instead of Pip-Boy Teleporting.

I played the game for the sake of "playing a fucking game" and I didn't like it. How does that make me an achievement whore?

 

[Slayer_2]

How can ANYONE call the ending bad?!? It was like the Iron Giant going ramage on those Enclave bastards. The Iron Giant with a sense of HUMOR! Sure it sucks hard that you can't keep playing, even if you send her in, but just go back to a previous save...

Fallout 3 made up for the dissapointment of 2008, Far Cry 2.

"War, war never changes..."

 

[JWAN]

how do you have all the achievements without all the special weapons?

... you dont want to know

It involves moving your computer into the bathroom and at the same time moving in a freezer stacked with hot pockets and a microwave in the corner

 

[Higurashi]

Fallout 2 is the best game ever made, and this is like its antithesis in thorough game design.

Care to expand on that point?

Certainly. The most obvious thing are the bugs, that appear in large numbers. The second painful realisation are the shallow characters and unimaginative areas. The story is pushed on with effort, but truly fades before other things to do. The intro is probably what I liked the most. The variety of weapons and armour is crippled down to a buzz, and there is little enjoyment in exploring the generic map with the obvious and predictable locations.
Despite all this, I remain at the point of saying it's not a bad game, but it reminds me a bit of Bioshock; trying to be more than it is, and ends up being shallow because it throws in so many things, few remain more than a passing memory. It feels slightly incoherent, but logical in its effort that ends up as a banality.
Fallout 2 purveyed the feeling of clear structure, and was interesting and deeper in every aspect 3 is not. No wonder though; it was rushed.
I tremble with righteous agitation at the thought of it.

 

[MattKirby]

Alright, I've read liek 16 posts and think I can formulate a valid opinion.

I think you're an achievement hounder because if you want to play a game for the sake of playing a fucking game you would have found it more enthralling as oppossed to half done. How do I know this because I spent the entire first of the game out the vault I went the wrong fuckign way for half an hour and did some questing. If you paly it casually it's very good I think the game is good and I think the storyline is as good as any game that's come out so far though I think Half Life 2 was a great game. I feel now that fallout 3 is the best game I've played. I just bought oblivion but haven't played it.

To sum up : If you play the game for the sake of atmosphere and gameplay it's a definite shot to play and it's definetly the best fallout without saying. But to say it's half done is absoloutley prepostorous. There's so much you can do. And as for the game being short. Just try actually walking around instead of Pip-Boy Teleporting.

I played the game for the sake of "playing a fucking game" and I didn't like it. How does that make me an achievement whore?

not neccesarily who I was talking about, but then again you're not one of the people whos' post I read or I did and you obviously don't like games with depth.

But, you obviously don't care to elaborate because of your pathetic one sentence retort that really doesn't seem to do anything but cause a problem. I suppose you want me to give you a gold star that says "I play games because I enjoy them and still find quality ones with high budgets lacking, and as such I dislike them !"

 

[beastman227]

[quote/]not neccesarily who I was talking about, but then again you're not one of the people whos' post I read or I did and you obviously don't like games with depth.

But, you obviously don't care to elaborate because of your pathetic one sentence retort that really doesn't seem to do anything but cause a problem. I suppose you want me to give you a gold star that says "I play games because I enjoy them and still find quality ones with high budgets lacking, and as such I dislike them !"[/quote]
So because I played the game and didn't like it I CLEARLY hate big-budget games? I just don't like big-budget games that have horrible aim systems, 16 quests, limited character creation, and almost no character development.

 

[shadowform]

Yeah the game is half done. As you said you cant enter most of the buildings and the ones you can are freaking copy/pasted. I just cant wait till a decent amount of user mods gets released for it.

I'm just going to have to say this. Since virtually everywhere in the game has different bits scattered about in different areas, I'm going to assume you're ignoring those when you say 'copy/pasted'. Exactly how many variations on 'Box With Stuff In It' were you expecting? These things are all standardized in the game, but it's the same way in real life, and for the same reason - it's easier to construct something using the same plans (or with slight variations thereof) than it is to come up with a whole new one each time. If you really want to take this complaint up with someone, take it to the architects and city planners.

I would agree, though, that the ending is just an utter failure. The entire point of a free-roaming open world game is that it's free and open. If there's only one ending, then that just completely screws everything else over.

But what really kills it is the removal of the epilogue. Eg: "With the death of Lucas Simms, Moriarty slowly expanded his influence over megaton through blackmail and assassination until he owned the town." or, "With both the AntAgonizer and The Mechanist driven from Canterbury Commons, it became a wealthy trading center. But when raiders attacked later, there was nobody to defend it, and the town was wiped out." Nothing. You get this unflinching feeling that nothing you have done has had any effect. It just sucks all of the meaning out of the game.