Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault

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She tried to get help. The security guard didn't do anything. She then got help from her friends to help her through it. Sexual assault isn't something you just walk off, it's a pretty traumatizing experience. The security guard didn't do anything because... I don't know actually. He's a security guard, he should have found the guy and evicted him immediately.

And she didn't make a scene probably because the reaction would be like yours. People would assume she made it up for attention or something.
The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...
 

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Sexual assault is not something that's easy to make a scene about, even though most people would ask you "WHY NOT?"

I speak out of personal experience here. When I was 15 I went off as an exchange student in Japan and I had to take the crowded morning train every day. On one particular trip, I was wearing a skirt and some creeper was touching the inside of my thigh, fairly high up and entirely on purpose. I immediately left the train to wait for the next one but this same person got off at the same stop and sat on the opposite side of the bench I was sitting on. I pretty much ran away until eventually he stopped following, but I had to take the slow local train instead of the express. All the while, I had my apprehensions about making a huge scene because I didn't speak the language fluently and also have anxiety issues in crowds. To this day, that guy got away with feeling up my leg and I never had the courage to speak up about it until it was done and over. It was not cool and I was incredibly unhappy about it but when it's happening, you just don't think about drawing attention to yourself because you don't want people to look at you, being humiliated.

In regards to the one quoted line, it wasn't funny to the girl at the time, but... honestly, you would hear that something out of a bad porno and even I laughed. Just, in the context of the situation, that's horrifying to be in that girl's position.
I heard they actually have trains just for women there by now because train gropers are apparently no rarity in japan.
 

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I think the one good thing about this is, I'm fairly sure Notch is going to make good on digging into this. I mean come on, this is a guy who was willing to spend millions through spite of some pirate, He's very likely to throw money at some PI's to find this dude.
 

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But hey, that's parties.
The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.
I think that's being very unfair to some hardworking trolls.

It's certainly a very cynical comment, but compared to some of the abusive crap I've seen on feminism threads it's nothing.
That's a completely true post, so it doesn't fall under the definition of trolling.

SpectacularWebHead said:
I think the one good thing about this is, I'm fairly sure Notch is going to make good on digging into this. I mean come on, this is a guy who was willing to spend millions through spite of some pirate, He's very likely to throw money at some PI's to find this dude.
And nothing will happen to that dude. Sexual Misconduct is a misdemeanor, not a felony. At best he'll get a night in the cage and a slap on the wrist.
 

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Too all the dipshits talking about how the security guard should've done something:

You go to a fucking party and kick out 'a drunk asian guy'.

What, you want like a picture or good description something instead of a race? Too bad. Do something with asian guy, with no proof at all apart from the word of 1 random.

Enjoy starting a massive scene, possibly inciting violence and losing your job based on the word of a single random girl at a party where the booze is flowing freely and signals can be mixed easily.
 

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BabyRaptor said:
Irridium said:
She tried to get help. The security guard didn't do anything. She then got help from her friends to help her through it. Sexual assault isn't something you just walk off, it's a pretty traumatizing experience. The security guard didn't do anything because... I don't know actually. He's a security guard, he should have found the guy and evicted him immediately.

And she didn't make a scene probably because the reaction would be like yours. People would assume she made it up for attention or something.
The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...
She got far more help and sympathy than a guy in her position would be treated.

The "boys like sex automatically, always" mentality doesn't just hurt women, you know.

Is it sick? Yes, definitely, and it ends up being all victims of assault (that are hurt emotionally from being assaulted) that suffer worse, not just the female victims.

I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.
 

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Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.
Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.
 

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BabyRaptor said:
The guard reacted like he did because we live in a society where this kind of shit is expected. We teach women not to get raped and shrug off men who can't have a little self-control with "Boys will be boys."

It's sick. And at least in America, it's encouraged. Look at our politicians...
Yes, it's not because of lack of evidence, or it being purely hearsay. I'm not saying women shouldn't step forward, but in a case where all she has is her word, no witnesses, and no idea where the guy could be (or what he looks like, besides Asian) what can he do? Admittedly, he could have tried to be compassionate, but not like he could find or punish the guy. Some people make the mistake of thinking security guards have power. They don't, they are just normal civvies with a fancy outfit.

If you murder someone, there is a body. If you steal a car, it can be traced back to it's owner. If you beat the shit out of some poor bastard, there will be bruises and possibly cuts and broken bones. If it's a full on rape, there is gonna likely be DNA evidence and bruising. If someone says some guy forced them to touch his dick for a second, can you prove that with DNA? I'm very doubtful. Maybe if you have video evidence and/or witnesses.

Go ahead, call me a "rape supporter" if you want. In reality, I just believe that being able to persecute people without evidence or due process is well, wrong. There are too many people out there who'd abuse such power for their own gains. If it means a few incidents like this occur and go unpunished, it's better than potentially thousands of people being jailed for years or decades over simple word of mouth.
 

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I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.
I've heard a similar sentiment before, from a number of people.
I can sort of agree, but at the same time I think it needs to be discussed in a different context. Bringing up male sexual harrasment is definitely important and should really be more open to discussion, but talking about it in threads concentrating on female sexual harrasment is just inviting idiots to start going "see? men have it JUST as bad!" along the lines of the exploitative Kratos pouch argument.

If you get what I mean.
 

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Slayer_2 said:
Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.
Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.
Different strokes for different folks. Fact is that you'd get a lot less (actually close to zero) outrage over such occurrence. Of course, you'd probably just walk it off and forget about it, where as I might pursue her, and the woman in question seems to be quite shaken up.
 

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chimeracreator said:
Slayer_2 said:
Not gonna, lie if some chick was talking about how insecure she is about her vag, and then put my hand down her pants, and showed me it, I'd love it. That's because, and I cannot stress this enough, things are different in life depending on your gender. You can accept it, or try to make up some bullshit, but flip the genders, and ask yourself if this would have got any attention beyond "high five, dude" and "lucky bastard". Too bad all the BS-ing in the world won't change shit.
Everyone is different. If some creepy chick did that to me I wouldn't react favorably to it. Sorry, but I have my dignity and a random girl who does that is NOT someone I want to associate with.
I wouldn't 'react favorably' either, but I wouldn't be particularly bothered by it unless she had giant fucking warts on her crotch or something. It has nothing to do with a lack of dignity, in my case. The warts would only be a problem because a life-long STD would be a life-ender for me. I couldn't live with a permanent transmittable infection/disease.

But honestly, barring some specific situations, I don't even see myself being emotionally damaged from something like forcible rape (if done by a woman). From a man, yeah, because of some colon issues I have that ensure that it would be extremely fucking painful for me, but take the pain out of it, and I don't have that big of a problem with it. The only time it would bother me is if the perp is older than 50 or so, because old people are nasty to me.

The pain is my biggest fear, the sexual aspect means nothing to me when it's something that's happening against my will to begin with.

I see no functional difference between forcing someone to touch your junk and forcing someone to give you a hug or sit down or any other type of forced physical reaction. I fail to see how the inclusion of genitals changes anything from a practical standpoint other than society's reaction to them.

I even feel that the same culture that essentially taught men that they can't be raped by women and should be proud of all sexual interaction, even those they were forced into (this current one) is the one that taught women that all sexual assault, even something as benign as making you touch a wiener for a moment, is truly traumatizing.

I don't doubt that she is truly traumatized (presuming she's telling the truth, as we have only her word), but I think that we as a society are more to blame for it than the action itself.
 

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I'm impressed that she hung around long enough to see him take his dick out after he'd just put her hand there.

The whole "That big enough" line though, that is fucking hysterical. The fact that she was in that situation without her consent however is not. Its ok to laugh at the retarded chat up lines of the tiny dick Asian dude, people.

Tragic that this has happened though, as all stories of this nature are, but it goes to show that even at a massive public party where people are getting drunk that its still not safe to go off wandering alone. Its a shame, but thats the world we live in today. :(
 

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3quency said:
chadachada123 said:
I'd argue (very strongly) that traumatized males have it way worse than traumatized females because of the same social problem that causes some apathy towards female victims but EXTREME apathy towards male victims.
I've heard a similar sentiment before, from a number of people.
I can sort of agree, but at the same time I think it needs to be discussed in a different context. Bringing up male sexual harrasment is definitely important and should really be more open to discussion, but talking about it in threads concentrating on female sexual harrasment is just inviting idiots to start going "see? men have it JUST as bad!" along the lines of the exploitative Kratos pouch argument.

If you get what I mean.
I actually know nothing of God of War, if that's what you're referencing. My apologies, I try to avoid anything to do with that game because of how terrible its gameplay is.

I can agree to talking about it in a different context, although I was hoping to have a discussion on WHY she is as traumatized as she is while the majority of men would just shrug it off and store it in their "creepy fucking people stories" book.

Specifically, I wish to bridge not only the gap in societal reaction but ALSO personal reaction. If every would-be victim would just naturally not give a damn about it like many/most men currently would react for something as comparatively small as this, we'd all be a hell of a lot happier.

We also would be in a calm-enough state of mind to punch the sick fucks that pull shit like this.

Final question: what exactly is the discussion value of this thread if not to talk about how gender relates to this? It's obvious that she (assuming she's telling the truth) is hurt and that Notch is pissed, what else is there to discuss besides the bouncer's role?
 

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I hope they find out who this waste of protein is.

I also hope Notch 'accidentally' makes all his minecraft worlds public leading to him being griefed harder than anyone ever has before. I never thought i would type this sentice, but needle dick jokes are in order here.


also, the reason she is so creeped out is because some creepy dude made her touch his junk. there is a reason it is called sexual assault

the whole what if it happen to a guy line of thought is an interesting one, but it should really be in it's own thread (which i am not going to make). A guy would be unsettled by having a similar situation happen with the genders reversed. the main differences being that men are conditioned by our culture to celebrate any sexual contact they get and fact that rape would not enter the average guy's mind as a possibility.
 

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Boudica said:
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But hey, that's parties.
The single sickest, saddest comment I've ever seen on this site.
Clearly, you didn't see the thread where people said they'd let a human drown for a pet.[/quote]

Whats wrong with that? If some random stranger is drowning but my family companion of 5 years is also I'm gonna save the Black labrador. I've got a better chance of saving a dog than a person because I ain't very strong. If I went for the human I'd drown as well and then there would be two dead people instead of one.

OT: Wish I could get riled up like everyone else. This guy did nothing more than indecent conduct in public to a drunk girl. No differant to the millions of unreported, unpublicised cases that occur at house parties and people just move on without famous people getting riled up to claim moral high ground.
 

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Whats wrong with that? If some random stranger is drowning but my family companion of 5 years is also I'm gonna save the Black labrador. I've got a better chance of saving a dog than a person because I ain't very strong. If I went for the human I'd drown as well and then there would be two dead people instead of one.
Don't start, he'll just call you selfish. No offense to the guy, but he's quite arrogant when it comes to that topic.

OT: Isn't it a bit odd that I made a joke on the threads announcing the deaths of Neil Armstrong AND the guy who played Vamp from Sesame Street and nobody batted an eyelid. But when someone finds a part of something like this funny they're the "worst person ever!". He wasn't laughing at the victim, and he shouldn't. He was laughing at the stupid bastard who did the crime. You know what? I've made jokes about Hitler, and I've laughed at Hitler jokes, does that make me a sick neo-nazi bastard? No, it makes me a person with a relatively dark sense of humor, and with all the talk of free speech and such on this site I should be allowed to find jokes around subjects such as this funny.

But still, a terrible thing happened, and good on Notch for trying to sort it out. But what ya gonna do, there's probably hundreds of sexual abuse cases each day, this one's gotten attention because a famous developer tweeted it. Doesn't make it any less bad.
 

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ServebotFrank said:
chadachada123 said:
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"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"
Holy shit, my sides.
Seriously? Your response to sexual assault is "that's hilarious"?

I think I'm going to instead believe that you just got back from boxing, and quoted that by accident.
You're responding to the guy with a stereotypical blackface profile picture. Do you really think he's taking the story seriously?

As for me, that part of the story is pretty damn funny, though the conclusion is, unfortunately, not so funny.

I do feel as though there's a bit of a double-standard, here, though. If a drunk woman grabbed a guy's hand and shoved it into her crotch or boobs, he'd get the same response from the security guard but would almost certainly not get a news story or support from Notch himself, even if he was just as hurt.
I knew it was too much to hope that no one pulled the Double Standard card.

OT: Notch is generally a nice dude so I'm not surprised he's this mad. I would to, mainly because he doesn't want to be known as someone who ignores Sexual Assault incidents at his parties. Incidents like that generally make the Party Throwers really pissed because it happened under their watch.

Rainboq said:
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Andy Chalk said:
"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"
Holy shit, my sides.

Sexual assault is not funny, not in the slightest. If you find it as such, you either have a very very dark sense or you're a mysoginist (if you only view it as funny if the woman is the recipient).
He didn't think Sexual Assault was funny man. He did however find that one specific line really funny. That little line actually is really, really funny. Though the fact that it actually happened is not really funny.
Maybe I was desensitized to this stuff as a kid, but other than the slight hint towards possible rape (in a public place full of people? Not likely, and if so it's NOT getting far) this is NOTHING. That line was pretty funny, and there is humor to be found in this situation. The fact that most people here are responding with "OMG NO NOTHING ABOUT THIS CAN BE FUNNY AT ALL, EVER" is simply proving that the world has gone insane.

ALERT: HUMANS HAVE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. You should all know this. Of course this guy is about as far out of the social norm as you can get, but what real harm does an act like this do? It's creepy. But it's one of those things that deserves nothing more than shrugging off and coming to laugh about it. The guy may be dangerous and should be pursued to the extent of the law to make sure he's not a danger to others, sure, but other than some rather unsettling stuff, nothing happened here. It's like having an insane man yell at you. OH NOOOO THE CRAZY HOBO ON THE TRAIN SAID I DON'T KNOW NOTHIN ABOUT TRAINS THE WORLD IS NOW ENDING T_T
Yeah, nobody wants to see random people's genitalia... normally. Nudists probably wouldn't care. But don't for a SECOND pretend that a either gender's naked body isn't something you're not fairly familiar with already. Stop kidding yourselves, people.

I get that this is really creepy in the moment and all but if you can't shrug this off you need to toughen up a bit. And don't anyone dare respond to me saying I haven't been through this kind of thing and I don't know what I'm talking about. Trust me, I've been through much worse. I don't let it bother me.

Seriously, though. I just spent 3 hours today slaughtering hundreds of people, innocent and otherwise, in a video game. This is an accepted norm, but god forbid you show a part of your body. (in such a medium or worse, for real) TRY to forget for a second what you've had pounded into you since birth and realize how insane that sounds.

(in case anyone missed that sentence in the middle somewhere, I think this guy might be dangerous and should be pursued. Not to be publicly flogged or sentenced to painful torture and/or death or something as a form of revenge for the terrible deed he's done, but to get fixed. It's pretty obvious no matter where he came from that what he was doing was against societal/cultural norms. There's probably something wrong with him and he needs psychiatric attention. I'm just saying that the outrage over this incident... well, is kind of understandable... but the people saying we can't laugh about it can just go touch a dick, man.)
 

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I actually know nothing of God of War, if that's what you're referencing. My apologies, I try to avoid anything to do with that game because of how terrible its gameplay is.
Yeah, that was the quickest way I could think of to sum up the false argument that men are just as sexually exploited in games/comics. Gaming forum bias made me pick the muscliest, nakedest dude I could think of so sorry if that wasn't clear.

chadachada123 said:
I can agree to talking about it in a different context, although I was hoping to have a discussion on WHY she is as traumatized as she is while the majority of men would just shrug it off and store it in their "creepy fucking people stories" book.
Ah, now this I can attempt to answer. It's a societal thing, and it's kind of been that way even before feminism was a mainstream idea, or before even women's equality was. As a society we've always had a big thing about "protecting a lady's honour". How often in fiction are men depicted as villains for making unwanted passes? How often is the main character shown as heroic for delivering justice to perverts or harrasers (I'm really not sure if I'm spelling this word right, and google won't help)? Women are horrified because society expects them to be. I wouldn't necessarily call this a bad thing, but it's definitely a symptom of our patriarchal view of the world. Men don't get it the same because it's sort of assumed that men don't get sexually harrased. Women showing sexual agency? Impossible!

chadachada123 said:
Specifically, I wish to bridge not only the gap in societal reaction but ALSO personal reaction. If every would-be victim would just naturally not give a damn about it like many/most men currently would react for something as comparatively small as this, we'd all be a hell of a lot happier.
This is... debatable. I think the main problem I have with the sentiment is that people pulling shit like this is clearly NOT okay, and never can be. People should be called out, because they're being dicks. Dicks shouldn't be allowed to get away with being dicks. However, going too far one way will always lead to more problems, E.G. suddenly everyone and their mother can claim to have been sexually harrassed and people believe them. I don't find this idea particularly plausible, but that doesn't rule it out as a possibility, or at least people will assume it so (much the same way that we've been swinging more and more towards complaining about "feminazis" in recent years).

Yeah, it's comparatively small. That doesn't make it cool.

chadachada123 said:
We also would be in a calm-enough state of mind to punch the sick fucks that pull shit like this.
This... works for me. I have no complaints here. Perhaps I have just admitted that my last paragraph was a waste of words.

chadachada123 said:
Final question: what exactly is the discussion value of this thread if not to talk about how gender relates to this? It's obvious that she (assuming she's telling the truth) is hurt and that Notch is pissed, what else is there to discuss besides the bouncer's role?
I didn't mean to say that gender shouldn't fall into the discussion, just that flipping the genders was kind of irrelevant. Yes that shit happens, and it should be paid attention to, but not at the expense of what we have to discuss with the current story.


Sorry if I came on a bit strong, I just like having these debates every now and then and I tend to get wordy.
 

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Rocklobster99 said:
Andy Chalk said:
"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"
Holy shit, my sides.
you know, it's that thing you see in anime/manga a lot, just with the roles inverted, genderwise.
I don't like to use asian stereotypes, but WHAT THE HELL.

overall good reaction from notch, I must say XD

Boudica said:
Coming from someone that has fucking been a victim you have no idea what you're talking about. The emotion pain and the upset isn't even something you can comprehend without going through it.

Just stop.
Now it makes sense why you write your posts on the gender threads the way you do.