NSA can read your emails as you type them (not kidding)

[barbzilla]

I don't get why everyone wants to hide what they're doing.
if you don't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

I have plenty to hide because I do plenty that's "wrong".

The issue is with who's defining the word "wrong". Are you? I'm not. I don't much agree with those who are, either.

They set the stage now to be able do do whatever they want, and you say it's fine because you're not doing anything wrong. Then, once the system's in place, they begin moving the bar higher and higher. Soon enough, it becomes nearly impossible to not be doing something wrong.

When they can't find enough criminals to justify their own unlawful actions, they have to start manufacturing them.

Perfect example, in my city they decided to put in trafic light cams years ago to gain more revenue through ticket generation. They were told to take them down by the citizens of my state (it caused as many accidents as it prevented), and instead of doing that they "deactivated" them (which is BS because they never stopped flashing, they just stopped sending tickets), when the next governor hits office, the cams were fully operational again. Here in the past year, the number of red light tickets were on the decline (I guess people finally got tired of having to pay $300 because of a bad photo, so they started braking sooner causing more accidents), instead of saying "great our citizens are safer now" they instead decided to shorten the length of our yellow lights by 2 seconds. So now we have almost doubled the red light cam tickets, and our accident rate is skyrocketing as people have to slam on the brakes to avoid a $300 ticket.

The government isn't there to help the average citizen any more, and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind to the truth.

 

[Greg White]

I don't get why everyone wants to hide what they're doing.
if you don't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

Hey, if you truly believe that, make your home out of glass. It'll still keep you warm during the cold and protect you from the weather, but I want to see what you're doing in bed, in the bathroom and in the kitchen 24/7. I want to see EVERYTHING.

You have nothing to hide, so you have nothing to fear.

Strawman arguments won't get you very far.

The NSA uses software to scan for keywords to track any potential threats, not some random guy skimming through everyone's emails.

I don't get why everyone wants to hide what they're doing.
if you don't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

I have plenty to hide because I do plenty that's "wrong".

The issue is with who's defining the word "wrong". Are you? I'm not. I don't much agree with those who are, either.

They set the stage now to be able do do whatever they want, and you say it's fine because you're not doing anything wrong. Then, once the system's in place, they begin moving the bar higher and higher. Soon enough, it becomes nearly impossible to not be doing something wrong.

When they can't find enough criminals to justify their own unlawful actions, they have to start manufacturing them.

Perfect example, in my city they decided to put in trafic light cams years ago to gain more revenue through ticket generation. They were told to take them down by the citizens of my state (it caused as many accidents as it prevented), and instead of doing that they "deactivated" them (which is BS because they never stopped flashing, they just stopped sending tickets), when the next governor hits office, the cams were fully operational again. Here in the past year, the number of red light tickets were on the decline (I guess people finally got tired of having to pay $300 because of a bad photo, so they started braking sooner causing more accidents), instead of saying "great our citizens are safer now" they instead decided to shorten the length of our yellow lights by 2 seconds. So now we have almost doubled the red light cam tickets, and our accident rate is skyrocketing as people have to slam on the brakes to avoid a $300 ticket.

The government isn't there to help the average citizen any more, and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind to the truth.

Learn to not go for it on yellow and you won't have a problem.

Europe is much worse, btw. They have speed cameras installed everywhere over here.

 

[piinyouri]

Lmao, I haven't used e-mails since high school.

Fuck this shit though, for real.
Hey NSA, can you see this?

Hey...hey over here..yeah...

Spoiler: BLOW ME!

I'm going to be in Canada one day, mark my words.

 

[sky14kemea]

Oh good, at least someone will get to see all my hilarious Freudian slip ups before I correct it.

I know I should probably feel angrier about all this, but I genuinely stopped caring. I have nothing to hide, so I'm not afraid of what they might find.

All they're going to get from me and my friends is really awful jokes and weird references to things only we understand.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I don't get why everyone wants to hide what they're doing.
if you don't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

I have plenty to hide because I do plenty that's "wrong".

The issue is with who's defining the word "wrong". Are you? I'm not. I don't much agree with those who are, either.

They set the stage now to be able do do whatever they want, and you say it's fine because you're not doing anything wrong. Then, once the system's in place, they begin moving the bar higher and higher. Soon enough, it becomes nearly impossible to not be doing something wrong.

When they can't find enough criminals to justify their own unlawful actions, they have to start manufacturing them.

Perfect example, in my city they decided to put in trafic light cams years ago to gain more revenue through ticket generation. They were told to take them down by the citizens of my state (it caused as many accidents as it prevented), and instead of doing that they "deactivated" them (which is BS because they never stopped flashing, they just stopped sending tickets), when the next governor hits office, the cams were fully operational again. Here in the past year, the number of red light tickets were on the decline (I guess people finally got tired of having to pay $300 because of a bad photo, so they started braking sooner causing more accidents), instead of saying "great our citizens are safer now" they instead decided to shorten the length of our yellow lights by 2 seconds. So now we have almost doubled the red light cam tickets, and our accident rate is skyrocketing as people have to slam on the brakes to avoid a $300 ticket.

The government isn't there to help the average citizen any more, and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind to the truth.

Learn to not go for it on yellow and you won't have a problem.

Europe is much worse, btw. They have speed cameras installed everywhere over here.

Hey, man, not everyone drives those tiny clown cars you people have in Europe

Seriously, though. My car is pretty darned small for something on the roads in this country, and I still go for it on yellow more often than not, because I can't safely come to a stop fast enough unless I'm pretty far back before the light turns yellow. Now figure that most cars on the road are quite a bit bigger than mine, and the trucks are ginormous, and you might be able see the problem.

Oh, also, those traffic cameras are handled differently from the way it would be if a cop saw you run the red light. You can't get a ticket or anything, no points on your license, it's just a way for the local government to raise taxes without having to actually say they're raising taxes. Public safety really does have absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Pebblig]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

I'm not surprised he ran to be honest, if he stayed he'd be charged and locked up in no time at all... At least this way he has a few weeks/months where he can fight against being extradited to drag it out.

From what I've read in the news of other cases it's a pretty common tactic to hide in another country, Plus there's the fact that basically any Internet related crime anywhere in the world seems to mean the US will try and extradite you and charge you for $$$millions or lock you up for 30 years. There was one website (TV shack I think) that ended in dotcom, so they claimed that was enough to extradite him to the US.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

I'm not surprised he ran to be honest, if he stayed he'd be charged and locked up in no time at all... At least this way he has a few weeks/months where he can fight against being extradited to drag it out.

From what I've read in the news of other cases it's a pretty common tactic to hide in another country, Plus there's the fact that basically any Internet related crime anywhere in the world seems to mean the US will try and extradite you and charge you for $$$millions or lock you up for 30 years. There was one website (TV shack I think) that ended in dotcom, so they claimed that was enough to extradite him to the US.

I wonder how many protesters had any power in their message when they protest and go "OH SHIT THE COPS RUN".

 

[lunavixen]

snip

also, quite a few countries don't extradite without a solid case being presented or unless the perpetrator has committed a crime in the country he/she fled to. A lot of countries also won't extradite if they know the person is going to be executed (exceptions being escaped prisoners or those who have been convicted in lieu)

Captcha - Hush puppies... Oh shut up you!

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Hey and those prisoners in Gitmo were making splashes in the news when they went on a hunger strike didn't they? The guy who leaked those documents is in the news for his trail. The more people say this man is a terrorist and know why he was in jail he wouldn't be forgotten. And so fast no one would know who did the leaks, guess the Washington Post and Guardian wouldn't continue this all important story they knew who leaked it. He could have filmed the whole thing and leaked it all over the web so it will always be floating around. No one is going to forget this. No sir I don't think he should have ran, to me he is a coward he leaked important information, I am not here to fight about this with you. I made my peace on it, I will admit he did good but he is not brave. If he truly have honor in what he did, he would've stand your ground.

No, this guy needed to run. To let himself be locked up would be a grave injustice and he clearly isn't one for injustice. You can't just give in to the demands of a government because they say you did a bad thing, running is fighting, he's not just letting them try to sweep this under the rug as everyone here knows they want to. There's honour and courage in letting what should be an innocent man be arrested under the guise of national security? No, there's honour and courage in leaking this disgusting act of treachery and then not letting them take you without a fight.

OT: I support the guy 100%, there's no way I'd let it slide if the UK government did something like this. I'd love to help the guy but I'm not certain the US government would care about seeing a signature on their petition saying 1 guy from the UK also thinks you should do something. I do hope he's named an innocent man, even a hero, what he did was entirely in public interest and he deserves recognition for that, and is allowed to live freely in the US again, not that I imagine he really wants to.

 

[My name is Fiction]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

If you knew anything about the legal powers of the United States, you'd run too. They just have to claim you're a terrorist and you can be indefinitely locked up in Gitmo bay for the rest of your life with no trial or anything. If he hadn't run, they would have made him disappear so fast the news agencies would have never known who did the leak. By running, he puts international pressure on the US so if they try and force him to be returned to the US they have to internationally announce they're going to put him on trial and that it's worth all the effort, which then brings up the whole story again of why they want him so badly.

Basically, if he stayed, nothing would have accomplished. I'm sorry your ideal world is so perfect, but things just don't work that way. He left to gain asylum because of his crimes, even though they're moral and legal, would have made him disappear.

Hell, I love the US and I want to serve in the USAF still after doing their ROTC programs to become an officer in the Air Force, but we have to know that it's not perfect. Gitmo is a stain on our record and so is the Patriot Act and now the NSA. The more drama Snowden can create the bigger the attention the world will give. Because right now everyone is forgetting about the incident in less than a week and things are going back to normal. What kind of fucked up world is this? People are accepting what happened now. Snowden is making sure there is still news about the story and ensures that there is hope.

Hey and those prisoners in Gitmo were making splashes in the news when they went on a hunger strike didn't they? The guy who leaked those documents is in the news for his trail. The more people say this man is a terrorist and know why he was in jail he wouldn't be forgotten. And so fast no one would know who did the leaks, guess the Washington Post and Guardian wouldn't continue this all important story they knew who leaked it. He could have filmed the whole thing and leaked it all over the web so it will always be floating around. No one is going to forget this. No sir I don't think he should have ran, to me he is a coward he leaked important information, I am not here to fight about this with you. I made my peace on it, I will admit he did good but he is not brave. If he truly have honor in what he did, he would've stand your ground.

"If he was brave" Get the fuck out with that bullshit. Because your in front of a key board you can call a man a ***** for running away from his own country? Would you brave face the prospects of never seeing your family again and being locked away in the "New" gulags of gitmo? Its was a sane choice and you should thank him more and criticize less. It takes balls to have a moral compass.

 

[FreeDoM.]

Well, that's scary. The good news is they'd need more than an IP address to get a good location lock if the kind of websites I've seen that try to figure out where you are based on your IP address are anything to go by. I'm constantly being ID'd as being in another town (and not always the same one) several miles away from where I actually am. Granted, even "he's at a house somewhere in this radius of several miles" is a creepy amount of information to get from something like this.

I work for an ISP and its actually pretty easy to find someone's address with just an IP. Whether or not the ISP would provide those details to the NSA is questionable.

 

[Undomesticated Equine]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

He believed that divulging that information was the right thing. But he knows that his superiors and the people who think that without constant surveillance terrorist/communist/nazis/zombies would take over the world would most certainly want him silenced in any way possible.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

If you knew anything about the legal powers of the United States, you'd run too. They just have to claim you're a terrorist and you can be indefinitely locked up in Gitmo bay for the rest of your life with no trial or anything. If he hadn't run, they would have made him disappear so fast the news agencies would have never known who did the leak. By running, he puts international pressure on the US so if they try and force him to be returned to the US they have to internationally announce they're going to put him on trial and that it's worth all the effort, which then brings up the whole story again of why they want him so badly.

Basically, if he stayed, nothing would have accomplished. I'm sorry your ideal world is so perfect, but things just don't work that way. He left to gain asylum because of his crimes, even though they're moral and legal, would have made him disappear.

Hell, I love the US and I want to serve in the USAF still after doing their ROTC programs to become an officer in the Air Force, but we have to know that it's not perfect. Gitmo is a stain on our record and so is the Patriot Act and now the NSA. The more drama Snowden can create the bigger the attention the world will give. Because right now everyone is forgetting about the incident in less than a week and things are going back to normal. What kind of fucked up world is this? People are accepting what happened now. Snowden is making sure there is still news about the story and ensures that there is hope.

Hey and those prisoners in Gitmo were making splashes in the news when they went on a hunger strike didn't they? The guy who leaked those documents is in the news for his trail. The more people say this man is a terrorist and know why he was in jail he wouldn't be forgotten. And so fast no one would know who did the leaks, guess the Washington Post and Guardian wouldn't continue this all important story they knew who leaked it. He could have filmed the whole thing and leaked it all over the web so it will always be floating around. No one is going to forget this. No sir I don't think he should have ran, to me he is a coward he leaked important information, I am not here to fight about this with you. I made my peace on it, I will admit he did good but he is not brave. If he truly have honor in what he did, he would've stand your ground.

"If he was brave" Get the fuck out with that bullshit. Because your in front of a key board you can call a man a ***** for running away from his own country? Would you brave face the prospects of never seeing your family again and being locked away in the "New" gulags of gitmo? Its was a sane choice and you should thank him more and criticize less. It takes balls to have a moral compass.

I wanna point out the irony of the whole "keyboard" thing you just said, as you typed it from behind a keyboard; also don't put words in my mouth I called anyone a ***** ok. I wonder when protesters in the 60's protested for their rights and police sicked dogs on them and fired water houses on them and did worse for standing up for what they believed in. Because they didn't run for the hills, they took the lumps and fought for what they believed in. It takes just as much balls taking the risk with your action.

Also "sir" I believe I said earlier in this post

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did

I'm not against his leaks, I'm tired of hearing how he believes it's our choice, yet runs to another country. And no less to the Chinese (well Hong Kong for now), because see now people can twist the story that he could possibly give even more secrets to the Chinese government with all of his access and pretty much make him into a villain given the recent Chinese cyber attacks.(which they are trying to do now). So no any good he could have done can be now twisted as "he is a traitor" and him running like that only proves their point more to the public eye. That's why I called him a coward, because now it wouldn't be hard for the government to say "Now we must strengthen our secrets, we must snoop even more, and we can trust anyone with secrets because they might run to the enemy"(although Hong Kong/China isn't our enemy).

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

He believed that divulging that information was the right thing. But he knows that his superiors and the people who think that without constant surveillance terrorist/communist/nazis/zombies would take over the world would most certainly want him silenced in any way possible.

So why not do it publicly himself, he already went through the press to leak all of this. I mean I still remember the fed getting in trouble for trying to figure out who leaked information last year. If he was scared of the leaks I'm sure he could have tried to leak it to where he wouldn't be fingered, and his story gets out. I stand by my statement.

I can't wait to see how him being in hong kong will be twisted to make him look like the bad guy. Because I can see the feds trying to do that to cover up this retarded program.

Also pretty sure Manning is in trail over here for leaking documents. Not of this level and scope mind you, also I think another question is why the hell is a low level employee looking at data like that?

 

[Korolev]

Sadly, I don't think this PRISM system is going to go away. Both of the main US parties support it wholeheartedly, so it's not a campaign issue. You could try voting for a third party candidate.... but good luck with that when you guys have a first-past-the-post system of voting and people are "afraid" of their vote "not counting" if they vote for a third-party. In Australia, we (largely) solved that problem by allowing preference voting - you can vote for a third-party candidate, completely safe in the knowledge that your vote will still count if that candidate doesn't win (it gets moved to your second preference).

So, because both your parties support it and you don't have any viable third-parties (and with your first-past-the-post system, you never will) you are stuck with it, unless you make such a huge, enormous fuss that it threatens to paralyze the functioning of the government. I'm not suggesting anything violent - I'm suggesting that 60% of Americans simply go on strike until this issue is resolved. THAT will make the government panic.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Sadly, I don't think this PRISM system is going to go away. Both of the main US parties support it wholeheartedly, so it's not a campaign issue. You could try voting for a third party candidate.... but good luck with that when you guys have a first-past-the-post system of voting and people are "afraid" of their vote "not counting" if they vote for a third-party. In Australia, we (largely) solved that problem by allowing preference voting - you can vote for a third-party candidate, completely safe in the knowledge that your vote will still count if that candidate doesn't win (it gets moved to your second preference).

So, because both your parties support it and you don't have any viable third-parties (and with your first-past-the-post system, you never will) you are stuck with it, unless you make such a huge, enormous fuss that it threatens to paralyze the functioning of the government. I'm not suggesting anything violent - I'm suggesting that 60% of Americans simply go on strike until this issue is resolved. THAT will make the government panic.

People aren't scared their vote won't count, because here on a national level we don't count the votes and most wins. We vote for a delegate to hopefully pick who we wanted. It's the issue Ron Paul had, where he couldn't get his delegates at the RNC last year. It caused a huge upset. There is no we vote for obama we get obama, it's we vote for a guy who is most likely to say he is cool with obama.

...unless i got that wrong, the voting system here is a mess.

 

[My name is Fiction]

I actualy

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

If you knew anything about the legal powers of the United States, you'd run too. They just have to claim you're a terrorist and you can be indefinitely locked up in Gitmo bay for the rest of your life with no trial or anything. If he hadn't run, they would have made him disappear so fast the news agencies would have never known who did the leak. By running, he puts international pressure on the US so if they try and force him to be returned to the US they have to internationally announce they're going to put him on trial and that it's worth all the effort, which then brings up the whole story again of why they want him so badly.

Basically, if he stayed, nothing would have accomplished. I'm sorry your ideal world is so perfect, but things just don't work that way. He left to gain asylum because of his crimes, even though they're moral and legal, would have made him disappear.

Hell, I love the US and I want to serve in the USAF still after doing their ROTC programs to become an officer in the Air Force, but we have to know that it's not perfect. Gitmo is a stain on our record and so is the Patriot Act and now the NSA. The more drama Snowden can create the bigger the attention the world will give. Because right now everyone is forgetting about the incident in less than a week and things are going back to normal. What kind of fucked up world is this? People are accepting what happened now. Snowden is making sure there is still news about the story and ensures that there is hope.

Hey and those prisoners in Gitmo were making splashes in the news when they went on a hunger strike didn't they? The guy who leaked those documents is in the news for his trail. The more people say this man is a terrorist and know why he was in jail he wouldn't be forgotten. And so fast no one would know who did the leaks, guess the Washington Post and Guardian wouldn't continue this all important story they knew who leaked it. He could have filmed the whole thing and leaked it all over the web so it will always be floating around. No one is going to forget this. No sir I don't think he should have ran, to me he is a coward he leaked important information, I am not here to fight about this with you. I made my peace on it, I will admit he did good but he is not brave. If he truly have honor in what he did, he would've stand your ground.

"If he was brave" Get the fuck out with that bullshit. Because your in front of a key board you can call a man a ***** for running away from his own country? Would you brave face the prospects of never seeing your family again and being locked away in the "New" gulags of gitmo? Its was a sane choice and you should thank him more and criticize less. It takes balls to have a moral compass.

I wanna point out the irony of the whole "keyboard" thing you just said, as you typed it from behind a keyboard; also don't put words in my mouth I called anyone a ***** ok. I wonder when protesters in the 60's protested for their rights and police sicked dogs on them and fired water houses on them and did worse for standing up for what they believed in. Because they didn't run for the hills, they took the lumps and fought for what they believed in. It takes just as much balls taking the risk with your action.

Also "sir" I believe I said earlier in this post

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did

I'm not against his leaks, I'm tired of hearing how he believes it's our choice, yet runs to another country. And no less to the Chinese (well Hong Kong for now), because see now people can twist the story that he could possibly give even more secrets to the Chinese government with all of his access and pretty much make him into a villain given the recent Chinese cyber attacks.(which they are trying to do now). So no any good he could have done can be now twisted as "he is a traitor" and him running like that only proves their point more to the public eye. That's why I called him a coward, because now it wouldn't be hard for the government to say "Now we must strengthen our secrets, we must snoop even more, and we can trust anyone with secrets because they might run to the enemy"(although Hong Kong/China isn't our enemy).

I actualy type using a grand piano from an anime I saw.
We already have had major hacks against the US that could count as declarations of war if this territory wasn't as gray as the next COD instalment. In Russia hackers are protected by both the government and the mafia. Scary stuff former and current super powers are training the next great hackers of the next generation.
But compare that running from the US is just as bad as a hippy running away from water hozes is not a comparision at all. The hippys didn't think there was a chanch of a slow death, just a rough flogging for being dirty hippys.
Also jesus christ find a way to shorten this if you respond. I tried to break it up and botched it.

 

[Saulkar]

I don't get why everyone wants to hide what they're doing.
if you don't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about this.

It's not about right and wrong, it's about heels and toes, and who steps on who.

Hey! Hey, hey, heyhey, hey! Shoo auspher79! XD

Spoiler: This is my reaction if you are not Auspher

WHY?!

WHY?!

I'm going to be in Canada one day, mark my words.

In a recent leak it was revealed that the Canadian government has already been doing this exact same thing pseudo-legally for the past few years. I would not be surprised if the "Protecting Children From Online Predators Act" was just to make it easier and to remove all grey areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protecting_Children_from_Internet_Predators_Act


http://openmedia.ca/secretspying?utm_source=130611eblast&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=secretspying

Ultimately, all the this talk of Big Brother and the total abolishment of Privacy taking over the world reminds me very much of this despite only glancing similarities.

 

[Saulkar]

The question I have to ask myself, though, is, why the fuck should I care?
So some beauracrat might be reading my email as I type it. I'm reading it as I type it, and I'd personally trust myself a lot less than I'd trust someone who manages to get in a position where they're given open access to anything being typed into google live.

Because it can be used to determine where your loyalties stand?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocall_scandal

 

[flarty]

Honestly I'm not mad at what Snowden did, I'm mad he ran from the country like a coward. If he truly believed he was doing it for the good of our country like he claims he shouldn't have ran to China. I honestly can't respect a guy who sits there acting like he is trying to be a hero yet runs like a coward, if your going to stand up for what you feel is right you gotta face any bad thing that comes your way.

Bradley Manning? How long as he spent confined to a military cell without any contact to the outside world til his trial? Times have changed since Daniel Ellesberg leaked the pentagon papers. America has become a lot more authoritarian. Though Hong Kong is a strange choice and could prove to be a massive miscalculation. Venezuela or Ecuador would of been better choices.