Nyan Cat and Keyboard Cat Team Up Against Scribblenauts

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Nyan Cat and Keyboard Cat Team Up Against Scribblenauts


The creators of Keyboard Cat and Nyan Cat claim Warner Bros. and 5th Cell infringed on their trademarks by including references to the memes as Easter eggs in Scribblenauts.

On the off-chance that you joined the internet yesterday and are thus unfamiliar with the Nyan Cat [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/keyboard-cat] memes, I'll begin by providing links to entries for both at Know Your Meme. The rest of you already know that these are two of the most famous memes on the net, famous enough, in fact, to warrant appearances in the hit game Scribblenauts and its sequels.

Alas, those appearances were unlicensed and unapproved, and that means it's time for a lawsuit. Charles Schmidt, the maker of Keyboard Cat, and Orlando Torres, the man behind Nyan Cat, have filed suit against 5th Cell Media and Warner Bros. Entertainment, the developer and publisher of the Scribblenauts games, claiming that neither authorized the use of their memes and seeking various damages, restitution profits, legal fees and all the rest of the usual.

"'Keyboard Cat' and 'Nyan Cat' are known and enjoyed by tens of millions of people. That popularity makes them extremely valuable for commercial uses. Unlike WB and 5th, many other companies, respecting plaintiffs intellectual property rights, regularly pay substantial license fees to use plaintiffs' memes commercially," the lawsuit states [http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/schmidt-v-warner-bros-meme-copyright-complaint.pdf]. "For the past three years, WB, along with game developer 5th, have knowingly and intentionally infringed plaintiffs' copyrights and trademarks by using 'Nyan Cat' and [Keyboard Cat] Fatso's image in WB's top selling Scribblenauts games, including, most recently, Scribblenauts Unlimited, which WB released in 2011. Compounding their infringements, defendants have used 'Nyan Cat' and 'Keyboard Cat,' even identifying them by name, to promote and market their games, all without plaintiffs' permission and without any compensation to plaintiffs."

Working against the meme makers, however, is the fact that neither meme was trademarked until 2010, a year after Scribblenauts was released. According to the Los Angeles IP Trademark Attorney Blog, that automatically disqualifies claims for attorney's fees and statutory damages; furthermore, because both memes were published more than five years prior to the trademark application, there is no "presumption of validity" of the copyright. (Read the riveting 17 USC 410 [http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/410] - "Registration of claim and issuance of certificate" for more on that.)

Keyboard Cat and Nyan Cat aren't the only memes to make an appearance in Scribblenauts; the Scribblenauts Wiki [http://scribblenauts.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Internet_Memes] lists more than 40 of them, including Rickroll, Ceiling Cat, Dramatic Chipmunk, Cool Story Bro and the classic All Your Base Are Belong To Us.

Source: Los Angeles Intellectual Property Trademark Attorney Blog [http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/2013/04/los-angeles-copyright-trademark-sue-attorney-keyboard-cat-nyan-cat-meme-viral-videos.html]


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weirdee

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case closed then

should have thought about that before trying to make something that was public domain a property
 

Thaluikhain

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Eh...ok, Nyan Cat maybe, a very distinctive flying popcart cat trailing rainbows, that's a thing.

A cat that plays on a keyboard? Not so much. Presumably if it was a dog playing the piano, Henson would sue because that's obviously one of theirs.
 

weirdee

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well, the song that nyan cat uses, it's not even theirs to begin with, so

poptarts ain't either

i doubt that they even own a cat
 

Steve the Pocket

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I was all ready to say that this is stupid and that once something has become an internet meme it's in the hands of The Peoples, but on the other hand, companies like Warner Bros. have attacked people for making stuff with their characters and putting it on the Internet for free, so why should they be able to get away with using other people's characters in a for-profit piece of entertainment? Turnabout is fair play, and the last thing we need is for IP law to literally be solely the domain of Big Media.
 

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You can trademark and claim ownership over internet memes now? They mostly come from other media anyway so it's not like their 100% original.

If I'd unwittingly created an internet sensation I'd be chuffed that 5th Cell thought it was significant enough to be included in Scribblenauts.

Well someone better inform H. P. Lovecraft because Scribblenauts used Cthulhu too.
 

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Proverbial Jon said:
Well someone better inform H. P. Lovecraft because Scribblenauts used Cthulhu too.
He may or may not have waved his IP rights to get more people writing about his universe.

Even if he didn't, he died in 1937, and IIRC, copyright lasts 70 years since the death of the creator.

Well, really, Disney will make the US extend that, and the US will make the rest of the world extend that so they don't lose Mickey Mouse et al, but in theory that's how it works.
 

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So they don't mind it being reused over the internet a million million times but they balk at an easter egg in a well meaning game?

Talk about greedy ugh.
 

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Kalezian said:
weirdguy said:
well, the song that nyan cat uses, it's not even theirs to begin with, so

poptarts ain't either

i doubt that they even own a cat
it was originally a 8-bit lullaby song, but got replaced with some Vocaloid crap.


Also:



he makes comics that have the same cat in them, even making Nyanja Cat and NYR Cat.

This isn't the first time people have used his stuff either, Attack of the Shit Show made a very, very, stupid showing of one of his earlier comics.

not to mention the people at gaggingon9cheesburgers.lol who watermark the shit out of not only his but others comics and flash loops.


And yes, he did have a cat, Marty, who died in November of 2012, who was a basis of the numerous cat comics.


now dont you feel like a dick.
actually, it was the most reliable way to get somebody to google all of this for me

thanks
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
So they don't mind it being reused over the internet a million million times but they balk at an easter egg in a well meaning game?

Talk about greedy ugh.
This.

They'd better sue half of the internet for reposting their property and making it popular in the first place and get all of the theoretical internet dollars they are owed. Unless the designer of cats sues them first for infringing on their trademark!
 

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Moonlight Butterfly said:
So they don't mind it being reused over the internet a million million times but they balk at an easter egg in a well meaning game?

Talk about greedy ugh.
Personally if I had created something like that I'd be delighted that a well known company thought it was worth using in their game. I sincerely doubt that the inclusion of it made them any money anyway.
 

Covarr

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I doubt Schmidt and Torres are behind this; it has "lawyer" written all over it. I'd be willing to bet one or the other of their lawyers (Howard E. King, Stephen D. Rothschild) decided that he wanted more money, and coordinated this trademark-troll effort for his own share of the gain.

Sadly, WB and 5th Cell may settle, just because it's a quick, cheap, and easy way to end this. They deserve to win, but that won't necessarily happen.

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Zombie_Moogle

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I was rolling my eyes through this entire article... until I read the part about them using it in the marketing & promotion; that changes the situation a bit

It's one thing to use a popular image in your work, it's another to use it as a selling point

Edit: Plus, Warner Bros dive head first into anyone that even thought about infringing their trademarks, so no sympathy there
 
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If Nyan Cat is copyrighted, then fair enough. I don't see why it should receive any sort of legal exemption just because it's considered a "meme."
 

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This sort of thing is pretty well covered under "fair use" doctrines which will leave these trolls with nothing but court bills, but luckily these guys have shown their true colors.
 

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Fair use bros. You can just go suck on rocks.

I don't see Halo pissing and moaning because a set of Halo armour showed up in Duke Nukem. There's a difference between infringement and easter eggs, easter eggs that look considerably different mind you, so basically knock off references.

However if they did use it in marketing promos without permission then they should pay damages for that. However I have never seen as single one of these alleged adds or promo material so I'll wait and see what the lawyers can dig up. Maybe they will find their souls whilst sifting through the mud :D
 

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thaluikhain said:
Proverbial Jon said:
Well someone better inform H. P. Lovecraft because Scribblenauts used Cthulhu too.
He may or may not have waved his IP rights to get more people writing about his universe.

Even if he didn't, he died in 1937, and IIRC, copyright lasts 70 years since the death of the creator.

Well, really, Disney will make the US extend that, and the US will make the rest of the world extend that so they don't lose Mickey Mouse et al, but in theory that's how it works.
Oh my bad; I felt sure it was 100 years after death.
 

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Steve the Pocket said:
I was all ready to say that this is stupid and that once something has become an internet meme it's in the hands of The Peoples, but on the other hand, companies like Warner Bros. have attacked people for making stuff with their characters and putting it on the Internet for free, so why should they be able to get away with using other people's characters in a for-profit piece of entertainment? Turnabout is fair play, and the last thing we need is for IP law to literally be solely the domain of Big Media.
IP law already *is* the domain of Big Content, the best these guys could do would be to play along with them by accepting their terms.

Just because Big Content's excessive and constantly expanding interpretation of copyright is evil, the little guys joining on the bandwagon with them still isn't any better either.