Obsidian Entertainment To Collaborate on Wheel of Time Games
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I'm sorry to ruffle your literary feathers, but A Song of Fire and Ice just beats The Wheel of Time at its own game. It's too bad too, because Jordan's world is beautifully crafted and excellently written. The guy just didn't know how or when to pull the trigger. Martin's series is just as complex and sweeping, but the difference is he's not afraid to take chances and shake things up. Martin's books will consistently surprise, delight, and horrify the reader. This is an argument I've had before and I will have again.NeutralDrow said:
As a side note, thank you for not outright flamming me. It's nice to find a poster on the web who doesn't resort to name calling and snide remarks the second they encounter an opposing opinion.
Ooh, I know. They can make one reasonably solid game. And then they can make six more games that are slight variations on the first- maybe some reskinning, a new dynamic or two, a big boss fight at the end that's exciting but seems kind of familiar in the mechanics.
Then they can make three or four games with thirty to forty hours of gameplay apiece which are really all one ongoing story, but don't move forward because your characters refuse to do anything towards achieving their mission objectives. Except maybe a thing or two at the very ends of the games as a sop to players and so we can string them along with cliffhangers.
Then we'll let Raven or Double Helix do the last game.
(note to self- oh, you are so in for it, you fool...)
Then they can make three or four games with thirty to forty hours of gameplay apiece which are really all one ongoing story, but don't move forward because your characters refuse to do anything towards achieving their mission objectives. Except maybe a thing or two at the very ends of the games as a sop to players and so we can string them along with cliffhangers.
Then we'll let Raven or Double Helix do the last game.
(note to self- oh, you are so in for it, you fool...)
If you made an actual argument, I'd probably like to. As is, it looks like you're saying "this story is well written and has a fascinating world, but it's boring and predictable, and nothing of import happens."Dirty Apple said:
Granted, when I spent ten minutes trying to figure out how that made any sense at all, I remembered that you didn't even finish Lord of Chaos (you wanna talk about surprise and horror), let alone got to the other truly gigantic world-shaking events of Winter's Heart, Knife of Dreams, and The Gathering Storm.
Oh, trust me, I'm not ruling out the snide remarks. After all, you basically went past "I don't like this work, I like this other one better" to "this work sucks and if you like it, you have terrible taste, this other one is much better."
OMG I love this series and cannot wait for this Game. would like to see something not directly linked to the storyline as that avoids the issues there. maybe an Artur Hawkwing or Aiel War game.
please say the MMO is done in the Age of Legends, maybe up to the breaking, plenty of already balanced classes, races and awesome visuals!
Wolfbrother FTW!
please say the MMO is done in the Age of Legends, maybe up to the breaking, plenty of already balanced classes, races and awesome visuals!
Wolfbrother FTW!
sigh And there it is. Your well thought out rebuttle has completely changed everything I've ever thought about the Wheel of Time. Congratulations.NeutralDrow said:
Seriously? Wow, I wasn't even trying to do that. I was just calling you out for phrasing your previous opinion with veiled insults like a complete jerk.Dirty Apple said:
Well, when you pick it back up, make sure to start with Lord of Chaos again. Even if you skip half the book, you don't want to miss the Dumai's Wells event at the end!
It's not JUST Faile, it's ALL of them with the possible exception of Min and MAYBE the blonde princess (they both have their shrew moments but not to the extent of the others). Even the bloody QUEEN is like that.NeutralDrow said:
Aviendah is the Tsundere until Rand bangs her. Faile is the Tsundere until Rand bangs her. The QUEEN is the Tsundere until she gets sexy time with her bodyguard (I assume, didn't finish that book). Nynaeve is the Tsundere until she gets sexy time and REMAINS THE TSUNDERE AFTERWARDS.
Tsun Tsun Tsun Tsun Tsun SHREW. If the women in the book aren't being bitchy they're being manipulative, and talking about how they need to control all the men to protect them from themselves. Meanwhile, the male characters are all emotionally inept (admittedly probably true to life) milque toast who are oblivious to whats going on unless they're GRRR Havin the Angst in which case their cool factor gets taken to 11 and suddenly they're undefeatible. Double this for Rand - which I don't mind, I rather LIKE the Hulk effect, but when you use the same 'Rand gets angry and pwns some bitches' device at the end of every book it gets old.
I loved the world, I loved some of the characers, I liked the story, but it just gets bogged down in Jordans gender politics, it's like the guy thought he was still writing Conan.
Wait, you're complaining about the female characters...except for Elayne? That's something I haven't heard before; she's usually the first person on peoples' lips alongside Nynaeve and Faile.TsunamiWombat said:
Besides, your description was seriously only Faile (and if you switch the genders, you might get Queen Tylin and Lanfear). I was pointing out that there's also Aviendha, Min, Moiraine, Birgitte, Siuan, Leane, Cadsuane (...bad example), Verin, the Wise Ones (except Sevanna and Therava, who are pure evil), the Sea Folk (...another bad example), the recovered sul'dam, etc.
EDIT:
Aviendha is a kuudere more than anything, and frustrated that the guy she loves is making absolutely no progress towards understanding her culture, and still reeling from the sudden transition between life roles (warrior to wisewoman). Faile's entire culture acts like that, men and women (seriously, have you seen their queen?). Morgase went from <color=white>queen of an incredibly powerful country to vagabond overnight, and went through all that crap with the Whitecloaks. Nynaeve is...well, Nynaeve, but she really shapes up by Knife of Dreams and The Gathering Storm.
The emotional immaturity of the men is also overstated. Eventually, it's pretty much just Mat (who has some excuses). Perrin is happily married and Rand is almost a friggin' psychopath, with his mind on other things. Most other men in the series don't display anything like their actions.
Rand pwning bitches at the end also stops happening by A Crown of Swords.
I forgot about Bridgitte. She's cool. An exception to the angry and manipulative women that populate the rest of the series. I guess dying mellows you out. I so wanted her to hook up with snarky wisecracker reincarnated guy (forgot his name, havn't read the books in years)NeutralDrow said:
The Seafolk are cool too.
I guess Jordans message is if you live on the mainland/modern times, your an idiot?
A full half of the female characters being shrews is still a remarkible amount.
Gah, that's the problem with editing. No notification that it's happened, on either side.TsunamiWombat said:
The Sea Folk are cool? They're some of the biggest assholes in the series (though admittedly, it's just to the shorebound).
And most of the characters (the ones who aren't dead by now) have wised up and mellowed out b at least Winter's Heart. Hell, by The Gathering Storm, Egwene has become officially the coolest character in the books.
I also think even in the beginning that the amount of shrews is overstated. We just have the few that there are as frequent viewpoint characters (and like I said, by Winter's Heart and after, Nynaeve is almost unrecognizable).
The "hasn't gone anywhere" thing works well for it actually, for an ongoing series of games.Veishan said:
IDK Obsidian has a bad habbit of screwing up Biowear sequels, so I think I'll wait for the reveiws
You only made it halfway through the first book..?Karlaxx said:
You realize there are FOURTEEN books right?