Old consoles on a large TV

Saregon

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So I'm moving to a larger apartment, and will finally have the space to get my SNES, N64 and Gamecube out and hooked up next to my newer consoles. However, the last time I hooked up my Gamecube to play some Medal of Honor Frontline multiplayer, it was pretty blurry on my 40" LCD TV. Same problem with the N64. And I'm upgrading to a 46" LED TV soon. So my question is, will the SNES be as blurry?

And more importantly, can anything be done to remedy it? I'm currently using the original connectors, the ones where you have one red, one white and one yellow plug.
 
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The only thing I think of is if you pick up an old SDTV, you should be able to get a cheap one from a pawn shop or something.
 

TehCookie

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While I haven't gotten it as clear as on SDTVs, make sure you have it at the right aspect ratio right on your TV. If you have it stretched to fill up the entire screen it looks terrible.
 

crazy_coug99

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As TehCookie said. If the aspect ratio is set for wide screen (16:9) and is set for high definition then the screen will come out blurry. Set the screen so it's 4:3 standard definition and that should to it. But granted, you are forcing standard definition graphics to perform on a high definition screen so there will be blurriness with the images especially if you've been playing on high definition graphics for the past couple of years. We have conditioned our eyes and our minds on high definition (720 to 1080) and anything less is trash (not saying that they are).
 

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Do an emulator and that fixes a lot of issues . I'm running starfox 64 in 1080 and it looks crisp, but htats because there are so many options to upscale, add AA and all that jazz.

Just using an old console on any hd tv though will look like ass no matter what you do. You just cant make 240 look good on a 1080p tv.
 

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I've asked a similar question very recently and apparently it also depends a lot on what you use to connect the console to your tv. From what you've told us, you're using composite video (yellow, white, red).

I've since done a little research and it looks like composite video is not the best choice for connecting older consoles to a HD television. A better choice would be to get a component video cable, or an S-Video cable if you're in the US, or an RGB Scart cable if you're in Europe. They should all give you cleaner, crisper picture quality.

They're easy to find on ebay or from companies selling after-market parts.

I've tried it with my Mega Drive and old RGB Scart I managed to dig up and it looks significantly better compared to composite video. Not great and nowhere near as good as on my old crt tv, but still better.
 

PointZ3RO

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I use a 23" LED HDTV and I have my PS2, SNES, Gamecube, N64 and Xbox 360 hooked up to it. If I switch between consoles, I have to change the screen resolution so that they look good. You'll have to put up with black borders around your games if you want them to look as good as they do on SDTVs, but you learn to ignore the black borders as you get into the games.

Quick tip: I find that I can often get some games (Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4) to look pretty crisp at 16:9 resolution by turning up the sharpness. Hope this helped!
 

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crazy_coug99 said:
As TehCookie said. If the aspect ratio is set for wide screen (16:9) and is set for high definition then the screen will come out blurry. Set the screen so it's 4:3 standard definition and that should to it. But granted, you are forcing standard definition graphics to perform on a high definition screen so there will be blurriness with the images especially if you've been playing on high definition graphics for the past couple of years. We have conditioned our eyes and our minds on high definition (720 to 1080) and anything less is trash (not saying that they are).
This is partially true, partially locked up in an old myth that was used to sell TVs when HD was a new thing.

Specifically, standard def doesn't automatically look bad, even to modern eyes. It may not be as detailed as full HD, but the most common problem with standard def equipment hooked up to HD TVs is the quality (or lack thereof) of the built in upscalers. See, modern HDTVs only have one resolution (the native res, 1280X720 or 1920X1080, depending on the set), and everything going into it has to be scaled to that resolution. Some of the very early HD sets were CRT models that could natively run at multiple resolutions, but they were limited in size and weighed a ton, so nobody cared about the benefits to picture quality.

Getting back on topic, if that scaler is low quality, it makes upscaled content look like crap. It's basically converting the video from one format to another, which always winds up in a loss of quality. Better quality upscalers lose less quality, although the best option is still an old CRT set if you really need your SD content to look its best. This is the real reason to buy, for example, a DVD player with a built in upscaler -- if it's better than the one in your TV, it'll make the DVD look better than just running it straight to your TV. For those of you who know about the old analog technology, it's analogous to the S-Video connectors in old laserdisc players, which had a built in comb filter that was better than the ones on TVs of the day, but later on were actually better to run off the composite output, since comb filters even better than what came on those things eventually got cheap enough to include in most TVs.
 

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Like others have said, component cables would be the quickest and easiest solution. Oh and sit a decent distance away. But if you really want to get fancy, there are upscaler machines you can buy to hook your consoles into.
 

Ryan Hughes

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I made a thread to discuss this very thing awhile back.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.401291-Retro-Console-Gamers-Share-your-A-V-setup

Basically, try to get an S-video cable for your Nintendo consoles, and a TV with an S-video input.

Edit: There are component cables for SNES/N64 officially made by nintendo. However, they are analogue and essentially the same as Separated Video, which has R/G/B and Luminescence. Plus, the component cables cost a lot. In short, try to look for a TV with an S-video input, or an S-video to component converter.
 

Icehearted

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Daystar Clarion said:
The only thing I think of is if you pick up an old SDTV, you should be able to get a cheap one from a pawn shop or something.
This is easily the best resolution to the issue. When my crt died on my I finally got a nice 42" HDTV and I expected games to look just fine, upscaling, crap like that, and I was completely wrong. Older games look awful on HDTV. I'd even go so far as to say that in most cases original older games look better than their HD updated counterparts when the older game is on an SDTV and the newer on an HDTV.

I got an old busted CRT and fixed it up. My old consoles look terrific on it. My HDTV gets the stuff it was made for.

Generally, upscaling doesn't really help, though with SNES it's less of an issue. It will definitely not look as good as it does on a CRT.
 

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Icehearted said:
Daystar Clarion said:
The only thing I think of is if you pick up an old SDTV, you should be able to get a cheap one from a pawn shop or something.
This is easily the best resolution to the issue. When my crt died on my I finally got a nice 42" HDTV and I expected games to look just fine, upscaling, crap like that, and I was completely wrong. Older games look awful on HDTV. I'd even go so far as to say that in most cases original older games look better than their HD updated counterparts when the older game is on an SDTV and the newer on an HDTV.

I got an old busted CRT and fixed it up. My old consoles look terrific on it. My HDTV gets the stuff it was made for.

Generally, upscaling doesn't really help, though with SNES it's less of an issue. It will definitely not look as good as it does on a CRT.
I disagree somewhat, it depends on the quality of the TV. Just last weekend I played Silent Hill 2 on my friends PS2 hooked upto his 50" Samsung HDTV. First time I've ever played the game (yes I'm ashamed of myself, shut up), and honestly it looked awesome, low polygon models not withstanding. It really does come down to setting it to 4:3 and having a good quality TV that will upscale properly. I am getting a 50" HDTV myself from Sony and look forward to finishing SH2 at home :)
 

Roxas1359

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Well for me I have a couple of converters that allows me to play my older consoles on my TV with HDMI. Heck I connected my N64 to my TV via HDMI a couple of days ago to test if the device works and lo and behold it did. Well doesn't work well with the NES or SNES, but I can still play them on my TV just fine.
If anyone's interested in the converter just PM me and I'll show you it. I did some test videos with my HD PVR as well to show that it works.