One sided and generic arguments that piss you off.

[Deathmageddon]

Well I'm probably gonna open a can of worms with this but.

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

The Sandy Hook shooter was already prohibited from owning guns, as was the Aurora, Colorado shooter. Chicago and New York have near-comprehensive gun band and the highest crime and gun violence rates in the country. Britain, despite having low gun violence, is the most violent country in the EU. Mexico has a ban on all guns, yet 55,000 people a year are shot and killed by cartels. Yeah, we're missing the point.

At least you were right about the can of worms lol.

"The gun is good, the penis is evil..." - Zardoz

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

I was under the impression that most shooting sprees were perpetrated by the mentally ill, not gangsters with contacts in the underground gun-running circuit.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

I was under the impression that most shooting sprees were perpetrated by the mentally ill, not gangsters with contacts in the underground gun-running circuit.

That is exactly my point.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Well I'm probably gonna open a can of worms with this but.

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

The Sandy Hook shooter was already prohibited from owning guns, as was the Aurora, Colorado shooter. Chicago and New York have near-comprehensive gun band and the highest crime and gun violence rates in the country. Britain, despite having low gun violence, is the most violent country in the EU. Mexico has a ban on all guns, yet 55,000 people a year are shot and killed by cartels. Yeah, we're missing the point.

At least you were right about the can of worms lol.

"The gun is good, the penis is evil..." - Zardoz

I disagree with you. But let's just leave it at that. I'm not keen on another gun control debate.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

These threads always humor me

Most of the complains thrown into these types of threads are one sided and generic arguments...if you don't agree with the argument

Might as well throw mine into the ring:
-Piracy is OK because the game company is EEEEEVIL!!!! (DRM, makes a shit ton of money, labor law issues, etc.)
-Piracy is OK because information WANTS to be free! Why you be caging up information brah!?
-Piracy is OK because it's legal here!
-Piracy is OK because it's just copy-right infringement! You're not hurting anyone!
-Piracy is OK because I wouldn't have bought it anyway.

And so on and so on. Just like they're going to argue about my reasons for why pirates are thieves is a one-sided and generic argument.

You're one of those "Anyone who even thinks about piracy in a positive light should be hung from their balls until death" people, aren't you?

Well shit, someone FINALLY figured out who I really am. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that everyone who is a pirate is the scum of the Earth. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that they should have their hands cut off every time they download something (for without hands, they cannot download). As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that if they manage to pirate without their hands, THAT's when they get hung by the balls until death...

Seriously dude? I have no problem with people who wish to debate but if you're not going to do it with some respect, don't bother at all.

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

 

[tippy2k2]

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

Fair enough. I may have laid it on a little too thick in making my point (which side of the debate you're on determines if you think the argument is stupid or not. Piracy is a good topic for that because it's such a grey line)

As someone who is against piracy, I feel that the list I gave are all weak excuses to pirate, therefore I see them as generic/weak arguments. However, if I gave my points for why piracy is wrong, someone who is pro-pirate would see my arguments as generic/weak arguments. I was just poking some fun at the thread since we're seeing arguments already about what arguments are generic/weak (gun control seems to be popping up a lot).

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

Fair enough. I may have laid it on a little too thick in making my point (which side of the debate you're on determines if you think the argument is stupid or not)

As someone who is against piracy, I feel that the list I gave are all weak excuses to pirate, therefore I see them as generic/weak arguments. However, if I gave my points for why piracy is wrong, someone who is pro-pirate would see my arguments as generic/weak arguments. I was just poking some fun at the thread since we're seeing arguments already about what arguments are generic/weak (gun control seems to be popping up a lot).

Makes sense actually.

By the way, your avatar just scared me shitless with that blink...

 

[mitchell271]

My personal favorite is the "freedom of speech" argument on the internet. You do not have the right to say whatever the hell you want on the internet. That has nothing to do with the right to expression.

Oh yeah. That's a big one for me. It means the government can't prosecute you for expressing an opinion. They CAN and WILL prosecute for hate speech though.

"Why are you playing that shitty game?"
"Because I find it fun"
"How an you have fun with that, it's such a shitty game"
"Okay, what makes it a shitty game?"
"I haven't played it"
"Why not try the demo"
"No, it's a shitty game"

Another big one. My little shithead of a brother is like that. I was playing... something. I think it was Legend of Grimrock. He was saying, "Looks dumb." Then he played it when I wasn't home. "Why didn't you tell me about this awesome game?" /facepalm

 

[RicoADF]

"Piracy is theft!"

No its not and you should be ashamed for being unable to tell the difference.

Piracy IS theft (except for a few exemptions), not in a "I stole a car" but rather a "you've cleaned my house/entertained me with a performance/other service people provide, and I'm not going to pay you because I don't want to" way. Not paying for services rendered is still theft.

 

[RicoADF]

"Piracy is theft!"

No its not and you should be ashamed for being unable to tell the difference.

Piracy IS theft (except for a few exemptions), not in a "I stole a car" but rather a "you've cleaned my house/entertained me with a performance/other service people provide, and I'm not going to pay you because I don't want to" way. Not paying for services rendered is still theft.

If it was theft the law would call it theft and not copyright infringement. No one is losing anything when a game is copied or music is listened to on youtube.

If you read what I said then you would see that money owed is lost. Weather its called theft as far as the law goes (which depends on country) doesn't change that a service was provided without money due being paid. That is basically theft of the money owed. I am ofcourse talking about downloading a game/movie etc with no intention to buy it and just want it for free.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I hate when people automatically hate something because of one teensy little thing.

Mass Effect 3 is a great example of this. The game, it fucking rocked. The ending, not so much (although it wasn't nearly as bad as some people are saying). But, I've seen some people (especially on this site) automatically deem the ENTIRE game crap, all because of one part.

 

[Sargonas42]

And finally here's one for movies I've gotten sick of.

-Lens flares = movies crap... THAT IS NOT TRUE! Sure lens flares might get annoying, but there's more to a movie than just technical annoyance like lens flares, slo mos, and shacky cams. You know? Pacing, story, plot and character development...?

I kinda wanna latch onto this one and support this with another argument as well:

Lens flare is an artistic statement, just like a certain camera angle, the layout of a scene, or the design of the protagonist's armor. It's an artistic choice by a creative guy somewhere, and like any other art is to be appreciated or not by the beholder. In any case, like it or hate it, it is part of the over all creative process and to judge an entire set piece because of that is ridiculous. You don't have to like someone else's art, but there is a difference between not liking it and *trashing* it over your own personal tastes.

Also one other thing, this:

I hate when people automatically hate something because of one teensy little thing

Mass Effect 3 is a great example of this. The game, it fucking rocked. The ending, not so much (although it wasn't nearly as bad as some people are saying). But, I've seen some people (especially on this site) automatically deem the ENTIRE game crap, all because of one part.

Thank you. Not enough people think like this!

 

[Kingjackl]

People who try to defend piracy in general tend to annoy me. I can understand it if you live in Siberia and all the nearest game retailers and wireless hotspots are buried under 6 feet of ice, but privileged Westerners who get everything on tap have no right to complain. It doesn't help that large percentage of those sort of pirates tend to be teenagers or young adults; you're not championing information, you just can't buy it because you haven't got a job and your parents pay too much in school fees.

Also, cinephiles and gamers who complain about blue/orange contrast in films and games annoy me for some reason. Maybe because that's such a minor and forgettable issue in the grand scheme of things that people who bring it up would have to be trying very hard to dig for complaints. If you're trying that hard to dislike something you probably shouldn't be watching/playing it to begin with.

 

[mikeybuthge]

The arguement I hate the most is as follows: "You're wrong because I'm Batman." How can my brother and I both be Batman, makes no sense I tell you!

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Black people as enemies = racism.

No, some parts of the world/groups of people are simply entirely black. Sometimes, when the black people are inconsistent with the distribution that would occur in the game world, it is a little racist, or at least lazy. But that's not often.

Simplifying a game = good for everyone.

No. Veterans often appreciate complexity and do not like the sacrifices made for its sake. This goes from a more straightforward story, simpler mechanics, the removal of mechanics or stats, more linear levels, more obvious objectives, and can be expanded to include all games that attempt to broaden their playerbase by becoming more like the pool of mindless crap that somehow symbolises the pinnacle of game accessibility and profit. I for one despise what FROM did to Armored Core V when they made firing rate dependant on stability and locked defence types to classes of leg, and hope that AC6 is more like ACfA and that they don't do the same thing to Dark Souls 2.

On-disc DLC is no different from regular DLC.

Yes it is. It's on the disc. In some cases the statement is true, although it's always hard to discern. But in a lot of cases the content looks like content that should have been included as part of the vanilla game, most noticable when in past games of the series it WAS. Basically, it's too easy to wall off a bit of content that was going to be part of the game for DLC, and leaving it on the disc is just even more disingenuous.

 

[Eddie the head]

I don't like definition wars. And what I mean by that is I hate it when people say the denotation is the end all be all of a word. To use a resent example, yes science requires "faith" if you just use the denotation of the word. But guess what in language you don't separate the denotation form the connotation. And no it's not "Wrong" but it's poor English. Trust me I am a master at poor English.

 

[Sargonas42]

On-disc DLC is no different from regular DLC.

Yes it is. It's on the disc. In some cases the statement is true, although it's always hard to discern. But in a lot of cases the content looks like content that should have been included as part of the vanilla game, most noticable when in past games of the series it WAS. Basically, it's too easy to wall off a bit of content that was going to be part of the game for DLC, and leaving it on the disc is just even more disingenuous.

I know I'm opening up the mother of all cans of worms here, but I need to disagree. You can do on-disc DLC right, and you can do it wrong.

Examples:
Capcom released a game with almost a years worth of future-dlc on the disc, and charged for all of it. In the end, ALMOST as much content post-launch was made available as there was at launch, and it was all on-disc and paid for. These were entirely new characters and more. This is wrong.

Visceral put several extra suits for Issac on the disc for Dead Space 2 (and again on 3). You could choose to buy these for purely cosmetic purposes with no end game effect on how the game played, or you could ignore them. The game was no different other than in what your avatar looked like. This is done right.

Let me explain more on this... in Capcom's way it was clear they intended to micro transact a lot of DLC out of the players over a long course of time, using content that was all clearly made pre-ship. In the case of Visceral, we are talking about a few pallet swaps that took a designer, a modeler, and an engineer to basically throw together in about a week during their 4-8 week downtime from when the game was in their "content lock" phase to when it was pressed to disc. This is something that can easily be approved by first party and packed into a disc at the last moment while the greater game is going through certification. Not to mention, in some cases this content HAS to be on disc. In my example, Dead Space has multiplayer... and for other characters who do NOT own the DLC to see the suits on other players, they need to still have access to the models and art.. this is where being on disc comes into play. In order to not segregate gamers into two classes, the content NEEDS to be on disc, or else they need to download a compatibility pack. The later option, while it works, is impractical, far more expensive, and sometimes first party simply says no to it.

My long winded point to all this, is that on-disc DLC is not a black or white issue. There is a right way. with good intentions to do it, and a wrong way with bad intentions to do it. You need to judge each individual game on its merits once you have checked it out... and not raise the pitchforks and torches up before a game even ships just because someone somewhere utters "on-disc DLC".

 

[darlarosa]

"If it was a white person getting help..."/"something something something darkside. something something something affirmative action cost me my job/position"
But it isn't, and you don't know that....are you saying that because you know the person was a minority? What if they were more qualified/personable/etc than you?

"Statistically their can't be anymore black superheroes in the DC universe"/ "Why can't you just be happy playing the same generic 30 something white or asian guy. It doesn't even matter"
What...I don't even....

"You don't understand what it's like to not have any characters to represent you like a trans/gay/none given gendered/ intersex/etc would. That's why people make slash fiction!"
But most yaoi slash fiction is written by straight girls who think lesbians are gross needless to say anyone else mentioned above. Then I'm black and bisexual...in the media I'm a sassy *****(and I mean that lovingly) or a thug, year...I kinda understand.

"Women can get sex whenever they want, particularly if they're nerdy"
No. That is not true. Men are more discerning than they think, and unattractive women like myself are still women...and don't summon cock like its a 4th level mage spell.....but what if it was? Attractive women are questioned on their authority too soo