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As if communists have never propped up a military dictatorship. As if Russia didn't invade Ukraine (with your support) because they ceased to be puppets of Russia. As if the people you support and agree with have never exploited anyone.
Russia hasn't been communist for over 30 years. Capitalists took it over; you won, have some pride in your victory! It's your mess now. That doesn't mean you or the United States is within rights to conspire to destroy it, but it does mean you don't get to blame communism for that foreign government's attempts to defend itself from the-- at least viewed through the lens of the cold war-- bizarre aggression and machinations of the US Empire (including its hapless "allies").
 

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Much as you might contend otherwise, it is nonsense to equate opposition to US meddling and destabilization abroad with support for any particular state.
You constantly frame your positions as support for particular states, and people have to point out that your principle is just opposition to the US.
 

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Because I've spent over a decade actually interacting with people who believe these things, and it took Russia invading Ukraine for you to pay attention to the tankies here.
Ah, so you're thinking your arguments with online randos constitutes expertise.

I've seen you routinely misrepresent what i think on these forums, so I have no faith that you're accurately relaying what these communists think either. Especially since I've also interacted with them.
 
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I've seen you routinely misrepresent what i think on these forums.
But I haven't. I've accurately described your positions using different terms than you would have because you have those terms all wrong. You don't say I've got your positions wrong, you just won't describe those positions as conservative because you've trained yourself to see conservative as the other team.
 

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But I haven't. I've accurately described your positions using different terms than you would have because you have those terms all wrong. You don't say I've got your positions wrong, you just won't describe those positions as conservative because you've trained yourself to see conservative as the other team.
No, you've utterly misunderstood and misrepresented my positions quite frequently. You often tell me I believe things that I simply don't, and refuse to accept when i tell you otherwise-- and do the same to others. You believe-- quite arrogantly-- that you know the minds of others better than they do themselves.

So no, I don't believe for a moment you're accurately representing what communists believe. Not least because I've also interacted with them for years, and academically studied the movement, but also because your notion of communism is built primarily to denigrate communists.
 
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No, you've utterly misunderstood and misrepresented my positions quite frequently. You often tell me I believe things that I simply don't, and refuse to accept when i tell you otherwise-- and do the same to others. You believe-- quite arrogantly-- that you know the minds of others better than they do themselves.
Name one thing.