Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[elbrandino]

Right. That's why I said the threat from him is gone. I'm fully aware a new leader could arise.

Yes, only I argue that the threat of him is very much alive. Only the man is dead.

Now, I don't agree. I would say the threat from him is gone. I would not say the threat from Islamic terrorists is gone. I suppose it's a matter of interpretation, when you get down to it.

 

[TheRealCJ]

So this is bad, but being glad the Nazis were driven out is OK?

And no, Godwin's Law does not apply.

It's quite a different situation.

The Nazis being taken down effectively ended the european war, which had claimed millions of lives. They weren't celebrating the death of a single man, they were celebrating the end of a devastating war. They were celebrating PEACE.

In this case, the war isn't over, not by a long shot, the death of Bin Laden won't bring about the end to this war, not any kind of official peace between us and them.

At best, I could label this celebration "premature".

I never said that, my comparison was based solely on the fact that in both cases, someone died and people are happy.

It ain't wrong.

Are you kidding?!

It's VERY wrong. The two situations couldn't be more dissimilar!

 

[Saint of M]

What do you think?

I think that anyone who wants to tell me to stop celebrating can come over here and kiss my ass.

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Hrrm, you have a point

My problem is the hundreds of people celebrating who don't even know what this guys done, life's not always as black and white as "he's the bad guy, cheer when he dies"......although whishing the general public would think for themself's is an imposible wish...

How can you not no what he has done? He's responsible for way airport security is for the last decade.

In all seriousness, I am glad he is dead. The fact of the matter is he is a monster who violated his prophet's words to fit his own aggenda. What isn't there to celabrate.

you weould be surprised my friend, theres one guy (19) in my class who asked honestley if bin laden was in any of the cod games, because he looks like somone shepared would befriend....words failed me

 

[bader0]

a country hunted down and mercilessly killed a man for something he did 10 years ago this is not something to be celebrated....... ever not that its something that should never happen just dont damn celebrate about it. i dont really even think they should have killed him i mean all they achieved was to invite a retaliation but Americans are gonna be Americans i guess.

 

[Manji187]

Actually firemen do fight fire with fire, not in a burning building but when their is a forest fire they will begin a fire in another area to diffuse the larger one. Drones are one of the greatest weapons ever in terms of lowest collateral damage and they keep our guys out of the fighting. War is won by being the most brutal and the most savage not in measured destruction. That is how the American Civil War was finally won it was how WW2 was won, and if they want to win this war you go in with as much force as possible not in measured attempts this measuring is why we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

Only the war in Afghanistan/ Pakistan/ Iraq is nothing like the American Civil War or WW2. It is assymmetrical in nature, it's about insurgency and counterinsurgency. All out brute force is counterproductive in such situations. One of the biggest risks is antagonizing the local population, giving the Taliban/ Al Qaeda more standing and more recruitment opportunities.

While you are right about drones making less collateral damage (as opposed to say, bombardment by cruise missiles), any collateral damage is bad when one tries to "win the hearts and minds" of the people in order to erode the foundations of the insurgents. Also the insurgents could interpret the use of drones as fear of death/ lack of courage on the part of U.S. soldiers and use that as propaganda/ recruitment material.

Counterinsurgency is a slower and more political "game" (i.e. also fostering relations/ diplomacy instead of just the application of force). It is in fact very much like your example of forest fires. You don't apply fire to fire directly (this is what I meant with my original statement). You apply it on surrounding patches to contain and extinguish the large one (eroding the foundations).

I'm curious...what do you think drives the insurgents to do what they do? Because I believe it doesn't help one bit to portray your enemy as just being a bunch of irrational religious fanatics who hate for the sake of hating (and nothing else). It sure is a great way to prevent yourself from thinking too deep about it. Basically, it is a reductionism that resembles dehumanization in the sense that it "makes things easier": "you don't have to listen to the enemy or try to understand him.....you just have to kill him."

 

[endnuen]

No murder, no matter whom, should be celebrated.
I have no affiliation with either the US or the Al Queda. But seriously, celebrating murder.. Sick people.

 

[Saint of M]

a country hunted down and mercilessly killed a man for something he did 10 years ago this is not something to be celebrated....... ever not that its something that should never happen just dont damn celebrate about it. i dont really even think they should have killed him i mean all they achieved was to invite a retaliation but Americans are gonna be Americans i guess.

If we had captured him alive, we would have as well. The group of individuals this man led are the kind of people who are looking for a fight, regardless of the cause. They just have a misinterpretation of the lesser Jihod has their reason as is.

 

[spectrenihlus]

Actually firemen do fight fire with fire, not in a burning building but when their is a forest fire they will begin a fire in another area to diffuse the larger one. Drones are one of the greatest weapons ever in terms of lowest collateral damage and they keep our guys out of the fighting. War is won by being the most brutal and the most savage not in measured destruction. That is how the American Civil War was finally won it was how WW2 was won, and if they want to win this war you go in with as much force as possible not in measured attempts this measuring is why we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

Only the war in Afghanistan/ Pakistan/ Iraq is nothing like the American Civil War or WW2. It is assymmetrical in nature, it's about insurgency and counterinsurgency. All out brute force is counterproductive in such situations. One of the biggest risks is antagonizing the local population, giving the Taliban/ Al Qaeda more standing and more recruitment opportunities.

While you are right about drones making less collateral damage (as opposed to say, bombardment by cruise missiles), any collateral damage is bad when one tries to "win the hearts and minds" of the people in order to erode the foundations of the insurgents. Also the insurgents could interpret the use of drones as fear of death/ lack of courage on the part of U.S. soldiers and use that as propaganda/ recruitment material.

Counterinsurgency is a slower and more political "game" (i.e. also fostering relations/ diplomacy instead of just the application of force). It is in fact very much like your example of forest fires. You don't apply fire to fire directly (this is what I meant with my original statement). You apply it on surrounding patches to contain and extinguish the large one (eroding the foundations).

I'm curious...what do you think drives the insurgents to do what they do? Because I believe it doesn't help one bit to portray your enemy as just being a bunch of irrational religious fanatics who hate for the sake of hating (and nothing else). It sure is a great way to prevent yourself from thinking too deep about it. Basically, it is a reductionism that resembles dehumanization in the sense that it "makes things easier": "you don't have to listen to the enemy or try to understand him.....you just have to kill him."

Here is the problem we have been their for nigh on a decade "building bridges"...it's not working. People there still hate us. They will always hate us no matter what we do, so instead of trying to make them love us the next best thing is to make them fear us. You want them to shit their pants realizing that the United States military is coming.

 

[Manji187]

Here is the problem we have been their for nigh on a decade "building bridges"...it's not working. People there still hate us. They will always hate us no matter what we do, so instead of trying to make them love us the next best thing is to make them fear us. You want them to shit their pants realizing that the United States military is coming.

But WHY do they hate the U.S. ? What is the foundation of their hate? It's too simple to say "you hate...therefore you are bad...so you deserve to die". By this train of thought, the U.S. is beyond hate...therefore everyone who hates the U.S. must be evil (regardless of the reason) and must be "neutralized".

I won't deny that the U.S. is the sole global superpower...but would you rather see it act as a gangster? Bringing justice/ freedom/ democracy to all...one bullet/ bomb/ missile at a time? Is that not in contravention to said values?

 

[SamuraiShinrai]

Wait so I shouldn't be celebrating the death of a man who if given the means would kill every westerner and non muslim if he had the chance? This Kuranda Seyit imo should be investigated for sympathies towards radical islam.

In the meanwhile

Let's party

so you'll party when you kill someone, but you hate it when people from some random church picket at a funeral of an american soldier? hypocrite.

you don't act like a dick just because you've killed your mortal enemy. you understand that what you have done is perhaps the most atrocious thing any human being could do to another: to kill it. have some goddamn respect for the dead.

The big difference is that we arent going to his funeral and doing so in front of his family, I'm glad he's dead if people want to go overboard get it over with but dont draw it out for days on end have the celebration and move on. The war on terror will never be over no matter how many of those guys we put down but you cant just throw up yours hands and give up when someone kills a bunch of people because he didnt like their way of life. I dont agree with a great many people or how they live but hell they have the right to do so. You can bet that if they had managed to kill our president they would be doing the exact same thing right now, come to think of it they tend to do it all the time anyways. Most people are aware that this isnt an end to terrorism so I say let them throw their party and move on.

so you mean just because you celebrate for one day NOT infront of his family/whatever, it is suddenly ok to dance on someone's grave? i call bullshit. it doesn't matter what a person did, you do not dance on someone's grave - ever.

You can call bullshit if you want, it's irrelovent and a matter of opinion which obviously differs between the two of us. Were this a person that I believed good I would not be happy they were gone but since this is someone responsible for attacks on not just my country but others as well and murdered his own people on top of everything else I'd say he could endure a days worth of "Hey I'm glad you're dead." As for "dancing on his grave" were I standing directly on it I still wouldnt dance so much as flick at off and walk away at most, my point is this wasnt some random guy people just happened to disagree with over a few viewpoints who discussed his opinions and viewpoints in a logical and peaceful manner - this was a terrorist who killed people over said viewpoints and opinions and he wont be getting any pity from me.

 

[bader0]

a country hunted down and mercilessly killed a man for something he did 10 years ago this is not something to be celebrated....... ever not that its something that should never happen just dont damn celebrate about it. i dont really even think they should have killed him i mean all they achieved was to invite a retaliation but Americans are gonna be Americans i guess.

If we had captured him alive, we would have as well. The group of individuals this man led are the kind of people who are looking for a fight, regardless of the cause. They just have a misinterpretation of the lesser Jihod has their reason as is.

ehh fair call they could have just left him alone though i mean he wasnt doing anything but i suppose that wouldnt be "justice". i understand that i do but dont you think it needs a little toning down?

 

[Saint of M]

a country hunted down and mercilessly killed a man for something he did 10 years ago this is not something to be celebrated....... ever not that its something that should never happen just dont damn celebrate about it. i dont really even think they should have killed him i mean all they achieved was to invite a retaliation but Americans are gonna be Americans i guess.

If we had captured him alive, we would have as well. The group of individuals this man led are the kind of people who are looking for a fight, regardless of the cause. They just have a misinterpretation of the lesser Jihod has their reason as is.

ehh fair call they could have just left him alone though i mean he wasnt doing anything but i suppose that wouldnt be "justice". i understand that i do but dont you think it needs a little toning down?

Give it a few more weeks, or have Michal Jackson comeback to life, that'll kill it.

 

[NoTroll]

What I want to know is when we're dumping Bush and Cheney's bodies in the ocean for mass murder.

 

[Galletea]

This is obviously a contentious issue, with outrage all over the place.
It takes more that one man to plan an attack like 9/11, and although I'm not sorry he was hunted down and killed, I don't think it really needs the gung-ho celebrating in the streets that it got, but then I might be looking at it the wrong way.

With his death there is perhaps a sort of justice, if only a symbolic one, and I think it's worth noting the quiet dignity and restraint shown by the people who lost loved ones that day.

Those people celebrating don't celebrate the death of Bin Laden, they celebrate America's ability to dish out vengeance as it restores a bit of their pride.
And national pride is something the USA is world famous for.