Oh yeah, 'cause being happy that a man who caused quite a lot of pain and hurt to your nation and/or it's citizens is SO TOTALLY EVIL and everyone who did it should be murdered just like the man in question! Wow, man! You make so much sense!Denariax said:So vomit, and make sure your lung goes out with. I don't care what people in America think as they'd all murder their own just to get ahead in life. Every single person who laughed is no better than him, and in my opinion, should be put out the exact same way. So I will do my 'celebrating' on other people's faces. Continue.
I'll concede that point.spectrenihlus said:No of course not but we went in killed everyone in that hideout without mercy swiftly and quietly. IF we did that to the head what chance does a lowly new recruit have?TheRealCJ said:Yes and no.spectrenihlus said:For some yes that is true. However their recruitment will most definitely be down now.TheRealCJ said:See, I'm not so sure it's "demoralising".spectrenihlus said:Of course they won't it is still a huge blow to them however. This is the guy who founded Al-Qaeda it is a huge demoralizing blow for them.TheRealCJ said:If the death of Bin Laden resulted in a an immediate end to the War, then yes.Necromancer Jim said:It's not celebrating the death of a person, it's celebrating the defeat of an enemy, and this is how humanity reacts to such things. People rejoiced when Hitler died. Italians celebrated Mussolini's death. It's not bunnies and sunshine but that's how people are.
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But there is still a war going on, and Al Queda is hardly a super-organized political party like The Nazis or The Fascist Party. They're not going to just surrender now that their ostensible leader is gone.
More like rallying.
I personally seriously doubt that most of their recruits were joining just to get a chance to meet their hero...
Clearly you're unfamiliar with some of our wildlife here - it IS dangerous to travel or go to work. The dropbears can be very .... unforgiving.thehype097 said:It's pretty easy to be on the outside looking in and say it's disgusting to celebrate someone paying for their actions with their life. If such an attitude was a dominate one in the world many more people like Bin Laden would be terrorizing the world. When you you lose a family member, a loved one, even an acquaintance to an act you never thought possible. When your way of life is changed to the point where you need to worry about wether or not it's safe to travel or go to work. Then your opinion might carry a bit more weight. People might be celebrating because they feel a loved one is avenged. Maybe they feel safer (though they really aren't) Let them celebrate. Bin Laden wasn't tortured, he wasn't hung in time's square. He committed an act of war on the American's soil and fell as a military leader would have. His body was disposed of in accordance with the laws of his religion. People who were effected by it in any way have a right to react however they like, wether it's stupid to us or not. The man killed people who had nothing to do with anything in his country. They had no control of US policy regarding his country or his religion, they went to work that day and were punished for things beyond their control. The opinion of people who sit at home and present poorly spelled arguments that the American's should've offered him a coffee and a Barbara Walters interview so she can ask what they did wrong are not only ridiculous but ignorant. Celebrate all you want, don't hurt anyone who is innocent and don't bash muslims for the actions of an extremist and there is no problem.
Well, yes, I agree.Necromancer Jim said:You think I don't know this?TheRealCJ said:If the death of Bin Laden resulted in a an immediate end to the War, then yes.Necromancer Jim said:It's not celebrating the death of a person, it's celebrating the defeat of an enemy, and this is how humanity reacts to such things. People rejoiced when Hitler died. Italians celebrated Mussolini's death. It's not bunnies and sunshine but that's how people are.
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But there is still a war going on, and Al Queda is hardly a super-organized political party like The Nazis or The Fascist Party. They're not going to just surrender now that their ostensible leader is gone.
It's probably not going to change anything, but it's an excuse to feel optimistic, so might as well take it.
I guess you're attempting to be clever with a snide poke at Bush's unpopularity. Unfortunately for you, yes, he was a US President. For eight years, no less.Jonabob87 said:If your argument is that Bush is a US President then I really don't know what to tell you...
They attack you and celebrate, you attack them and celebrate. From your respective perspectives, it could be argued that you're both right.Osama is the equivalent to these people. They hate us because of what we've done to them in the past, so they attack and kill 3,000 people.
We retaliate against two middle eastern countries and kill around 20,000 of their civilians. Yet we're still in the right?
I apologize, I misread.Kortney said:Jesus...Boris Goodenough said:He was the leader of Al-Qaeda which worked together with the Taliban government, it's not so hard to follow.Kortney said:Afghanistan in 2001 was run by the Taliban. The USA was considered an enemy of the Taliban government.
Not that hard to follow.
Afghanis dancing in the streets of Kabul after 9/11 were governed by the Taliban. The Taliban considered the USA and it's people to be enemies.Kortney said:are no better than the people who were dancing in the streets of Afghanistan after 9/11. Both are celebrating the deaths of enemies of their government.
Therefore Afghanis celebrating 9/11 = people celebrating the deaths of enemies of their government.
Stop trying to pointlessly nitpick.
I don't listen to politics. The only reason I know anything about this is because of it being posted here, and that is all that needs to be said. I'm not stopping others from celebrating their own victory, just as I won't be withheld from calling you all just the same as him.spectrenihlus said:Do you agree that him gone makes the world a better place, yes or no?Denariax said:So vomit, and make sure your lung goes out with. I don't care what people in America think as they'd all murder their own just to get ahead in life. Every single person who laughed is no better than him, and in my opinion, should be put out the exact same way. So I will do my 'celebrating' on other people's faces. Continue.spectrenihlus said:If you are punching someone out right now for the celebration of the death of one of the worst piles of scum that ever walked this earth then you should check yourself. If that thing had the chance he would have killed me, my family, my friends, everyone I have ever met simply because I wasn't a muslim. He has killed innocent men women and children. You don't have to celebrate his death but come on you must understand why others are celebrating. The guy was scum and the world is better off with him gone. The fact that you punched someone out over his behalf makes me want to vomit.Denariax said:Because a death is still a death, and celebrating a death makes me no better than the man who celebrated someone elses.spectrenihlus said:Why would you punch someone out for celebrating the death of someone that given the chance would have annihilated you and your family? FIne you don't have to celebrate but don't stop people from celebrating.Denariax said:Am I seriously the only American who punched someone out for celebrating this? God damn people, and I'm asked why I'd rather see it descend into anarchy so I can get the hell out.
So yes. They have free will to celebrate what they want, just as I have free will to beat them senseless.
True but he was also a figurehead for the enemy as well.I now this doesn't end the war bit it is still a major blow to their organization I hope it sent a message to Zawahiri and others of his ilk that the US will find you and you will die.TheRealCJ said:I'll concede that point.spectrenihlus said:No of course not but we went in killed everyone in that hideout without mercy swiftly and quietly. IF we did that to the head what chance does a lowly new recruit have?TheRealCJ said:Yes and no.spectrenihlus said:For some yes that is true. However their recruitment will most definitely be down now.TheRealCJ said:See, I'm not so sure it's "demoralising".spectrenihlus said:Of course they won't it is still a huge blow to them however. This is the guy who founded Al-Qaeda it is a huge demoralizing blow for them.TheRealCJ said:If the death of Bin Laden resulted in a an immediate end to the War, then yes.Necromancer Jim said:It's not celebrating the death of a person, it's celebrating the defeat of an enemy, and this is how humanity reacts to such things. People rejoiced when Hitler died. Italians celebrated Mussolini's death. It's not bunnies and sunshine but that's how people are.
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But there is still a war going on, and Al Queda is hardly a super-organized political party like The Nazis or The Fascist Party. They're not going to just surrender now that their ostensible leader is gone.
More like rallying.
I personally seriously doubt that most of their recruits were joining just to get a chance to meet their hero...
But the point still stands is that at this point, Bin Laden was really just a figurehead in a decentralised organisation.
I am unfamiliar with them but if one attacks and you happen to bring it down with your car and have a beer at lunch to celebrate... I won't be mad at you.BlueMage said:Clearly you're unfamiliar with some of our wildlife here - it IS dangerous to travel or go to work. The dropbears can be very .... unforgiving.thehype097 said:It's pretty easy to be on the outside looking in and say it's disgusting to celebrate someone paying for their actions with their life. If such an attitude was a dominate one in the world many more people like Bin Laden would be terrorizing the world. When you you lose a family member, a loved one, even an acquaintance to an act you never thought possible. When your way of life is changed to the point where you need to worry about wether or not it's safe to travel or go to work. Then your opinion might carry a bit more weight. People might be celebrating because they feel a loved one is avenged. Maybe they feel safer (though they really aren't) Let them celebrate. Bin Laden wasn't tortured, he wasn't hung in time's square. He committed an act of war on the American's soil and fell as a military leader would have. His body was disposed of in accordance with the laws of his religion. People who were effected by it in any way have a right to react however they like, wether it's stupid to us or not. The man killed people who had nothing to do with anything in his country. They had no control of US policy regarding his country or his religion, they went to work that day and were punished for things beyond their control. The opinion of people who sit at home and present poorly spelled arguments that the American's should've offered him a coffee and a Barbara Walters interview so she can ask what they did wrong are not only ridiculous but ignorant. Celebrate all you want, don't hurt anyone who is innocent and don't bash muslims for the actions of an extremist and there is no problem.
I think that they've known that for a while. To be fair.spectrenihlus said:True but he was also a figurehead for the enemy as well.I now this doesn't end the war bit it is still a major blow to their organization I hope it sent a message to Zawahiri and others of his ilk that the US will find you and you will die.TheRealCJ said:I'll concede that point.spectrenihlus said:No of course not but we went in killed everyone in that hideout without mercy swiftly and quietly. IF we did that to the head what chance does a lowly new recruit have?TheRealCJ said:Yes and no.spectrenihlus said:For some yes that is true. However their recruitment will most definitely be down now.TheRealCJ said:See, I'm not so sure it's "demoralising".spectrenihlus said:Of course they won't it is still a huge blow to them however. This is the guy who founded Al-Qaeda it is a huge demoralizing blow for them.TheRealCJ said:If the death of Bin Laden resulted in a an immediate end to the War, then yes.Necromancer Jim said:It's not celebrating the death of a person, it's celebrating the defeat of an enemy, and this is how humanity reacts to such things. People rejoiced when Hitler died. Italians celebrated Mussolini's death. It's not bunnies and sunshine but that's how people are.
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But there is still a war going on, and Al Queda is hardly a super-organized political party like The Nazis or The Fascist Party. They're not going to just surrender now that their ostensible leader is gone.
More like rallying.
I personally seriously doubt that most of their recruits were joining just to get a chance to meet their hero...
But the point still stands is that at this point, Bin Laden was really just a figurehead in a decentralised organisation.
I haven't seen anyone out on the street celebrating, but I can assure you of one thing:TheRealCJ said:Well, yes, I agree.Necromancer Jim said:You think I don't know this?TheRealCJ said:If the death of Bin Laden resulted in a an immediate end to the War, then yes.Necromancer Jim said:It's not celebrating the death of a person, it's celebrating the defeat of an enemy, and this is how humanity reacts to such things. People rejoiced when Hitler died. Italians celebrated Mussolini's death. It's not bunnies and sunshine but that's how people are.
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But there is still a war going on, and Al Queda is hardly a super-organized political party like The Nazis or The Fascist Party. They're not going to just surrender now that their ostensible leader is gone.
It's probably not going to change anything, but it's an excuse to feel optimistic, so might as well take it.
But for me, "optimism" does not mean "Go out into the street and celebrate". That's the entire point.
So what if it is disrespectful he had it coming and frankly deserves much worse.Jabberwock xeno said:I have to agree, it is rather disrespectful
That said, he had it coming.