Osama Bin Laden Celebrations labelled "Disguisting"

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

Celebrating the deaths of thousands of innocents is not the same as celebrating the death of one mass murderer. End of fucking story.

Thanks for those words of wisdom. Seriously...I could not agree more. The man was the worst of the worst and people are offended that there was a celebration? Get off the high horse already. What the hell...

 

[Demongeneral109]

Ummmmm... I don't know about you guys. But Osama was a bit of an asshole, to the point that he killed hundreds upon thousands of his own people and thousands of our own, not including the GIs killed in combat with his followers. And people are complaining? OH NO! THE RADICAL TERRORIST WHO ORCHASTRATED 9/11 AND THE LONGEST WAR IN AMERICAN HISTORY IS DEAD! HOW WILL WE GO ON?!

For those of you who mourn him or do anything les than laugh and dance, you can go and die in a hole.

I think you misunderstand what most people in the thread is trying to say.

Some people just don't approve of the celebration of Osama's death, because it doesn't spell the end of terror. That fact will not change no matter how much America celebrates.

American citizens need to realise that this struggle isn't over, because their will be successors in Al-queda, and within a few years they might rise up again to target America, and their could be another attack even greater than that of 9/11.

If i was American, i would be vigilant to my country rather than celebrate, because America just kicked the Hornets nest, and their will be members of Al-Queda plotting revenge on America for this act even as soon as now.

I think this is more than most would see at first. Honestly, I feel that Al-queda as an organization was crippled by this. the movement focused around Bin-Laden as a prophet, an icon to rally behind. between America treating the body with respect and his death in the first place; they are denied a symbol to rally behind. In my eyes, we just cut the head off the snake. Any 'retaliation' are its death throes as the organization collapses without a symbol to rally behind.

 

[TemplateResponse]

I suppose, but lets face it, its freaking america.

Fuck you buddy, you show me any fucking country where no one was celebrating the death of an enemy.

For that matter an enemy that killed thousands of civilians.

calm down sweetheart, i didn't actually mean it in a bad way.

In fact no, fuck that. your post is an example of the thinking that got us sent to war in the first place. ANYONE not any COUNTRY that thinks that death in ANY capacity is progress is living in a dream world. celebrating death is even worse, its fucking medieval. and don't throw "murderer of thousands" at me like I don't know.

I wont comment further. Thats all your getting from me.

 

[theklng]

anyone who dances on someone's grave like you do should receive same punishment as he did.

You want to kill people who dance on his graves? Really?

yes i'm super psychotic. oh wait, no i'm not. it's just childish to have this kind of celebration for the death of a person. of all the things we know about human nature, spite and hatred seem to be the most dominant.

 

[spectrenihlus]

i'm saying he isn't a person anymore since he's among the dead now. and as with all other dead people, have some respect by not flaunting your hatred, and stop being a hypocrite in the name of american beliefs. get your act together, son.

So?

He was an asshole!

Why should we respect an asshole, even if he's now dead?

because you don't know what death brings.

So? He's still a person who deserves no respect.

anyone who dances on someone's grave like you do should receive same punishment as he did.

You want to kill people who dance on his graves? Psychotic much?

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He is being given respect, his body is being handled by Muslim U.S personnel (as is custom) and in the Muslim traditional fashion (his body will likely be returned to his family)

Officially he was "buried at sea" unofficially I would say he was unceremoniously dumped from the boat.

 

[TheRealCJ]

R.I.P
Osama Bin Laden
Hide and Seek Grand Champion
2001-2011

 

[TheRealCJ]

I wasn't and would never be one of the ones out there celebrating in the street, but if you can't understand where this is coming from OP, you're not thinking hard enough.

It's not about Bin Laden himself -- it's about the sense of closure his death brings, as a kind of total apotheosis of the age of terror, homeland security, airport checkpoints, etc that his acts incited. This is particularly true among our generation, for whom that world was made the new norm. It's like we've finally been released from a shuffling, decade-long straight-jacketed limbo.

We haven't, of course, and the war on terror is far from over, and even tactically speaking, Bin Laden's death affords little outside of its symbolic effect, and what I imagine will be a significant boost in relations with the Muslim world (especially considering the 'Paragon Interrupt' -like decision to bury him according to Islamic customs).

But it feels like we've just emerged, blinking into the light for the first time in years -- so I can understand that some people might express it the way they did, and I understand even more that I have absolutely no right to judge people (particularly New Yorkers!) based on their honest emotional reaction to something so far above and beyond and outside the scale of my sense of human reckoning.

Maybe you should think about that.

Maybe you should read the half-dozen replies I've written.

I can see where this is coming from. And honestly, I think these people deserve to have a bit of joy from this.

But "joy" does not equal "week-long street party".

 

[Shycte]

The very face of terrorism has been killed.

Terrorism has no face. It doesn't take a great deal of brain power to figure that out.

I'm sure they've already replaced Bin Laden by now anyway or have a replacement in mind.

Well, I'm sure they have. But if you ask people what they think of when you say terrorism, Bin Laden will pop up in their heads. He is the sympol of terrorism, his very existence is the existence of terrorism. Do you understand?

Do you understand that no terrorist cell with any solid basis thinks this way? Osama is just a leader. He represented the beliefs of his terrorist organization. Terrorism will increase if anything and the only thing that will drastically change is people's perceptions of terrorism and thus you will have a rise in ignorance about the level of terrorism in the world simply because one man, whose importance has been overstated by propaganda to fuel a crazed, ten-year long revenge fantasy, is now dead.

Well, I have never claimed otherwise but you my friend seem to have set your mind into not understanding what I'm saying. For the general public, the american people, the European people, for you and me. Osama Bin Laden is what we think of when we think of terrorism. For the people, he was the face of terrorism. When you would show someone his face they would think terrorism, just like if yo ushow someone a picture of Josef Stalin they will think communism and a picture a Hitler wil give you the answer Nazi.

Are you understand or do I need to make it even clearer?

 

[waive]

I agree, I don't think the death of a human being should ever be celebrated.

At least he got a Muslim Burial.

That said, I am glad he is dead. I think John Stewart put it best for me. I should be appalled I'm happy someones dead, but I'm not.

 

[blindthrall]

I think we should save the celebrating for when the last soldier comes home in one piece.

 

[MattRooney06]

What do you think?

I think that anyone who wants to tell me to stop celebrating can come over here and kiss my ass.

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Hrrm, you have a point

My problem is the hundreds of people celebrating who don't even know what this guys done, life's not always as black and white as "he's the bad guy, cheer when he dies"......although whishing the general public would think for themself's is an imposible wish...

How can you not no what he has done? He's responsible for way airport security is for the last decade.

In all seriousness, I am glad he is dead. The fact of the matter is he is a monster who violated his prophet's words to fit his own aggenda. What isn't there to celabrate.

you weould be surprised my friend, theres one guy (19) in my class who asked honestley if bin laden was in any of the cod games, becuase he looks like somone shepared would befriend....words failed me

 

[Manji187]

The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.

Yes...by all means...let's practice dehumanization, that sweet totalitarian invention.

Drop the indignant rage will ya. It makes you spout nonsense.

The man was a monster, I'm not saying to dehumanize a culture or people but more on a case by case basis. Did you rape and kill 5 people you lost your human status. Oh you killed a person because he was in your way no longer human. There is no creature more deserving of being dehumanized than Osama Bin Laden. Let his corpse be dragged around the national mall let the enemy see what we think of them if you feel any sympathy toward this creature I frankly want you investigated.

You don't understand...this isn't about sympathy. It's about the implications of dehumanization, whether large scale or on a case by case basis (which adds up if there are a lot of cases). Dehumanization makes it easier (psychologically) to, first, think of people as deserving death and, second, to actually kill them.

The worst thing is when killing people is seen as a solution to...anything. More clearly stated: Killing people has never been and never will be a solution to anything. Global terrorism isn't solved by Osama's death...nor by the deaths of others who follow that path.

If the U.S. believes that the problem can be solved by killing every terrorist/ insurgent/ jihadist on the face of the earth...it will become the Greater Terrorist. In fact...it's getting there quite nicely, especially with the deployment of unmanned combat aerial vehicles, a.k.a drones (Predator/ Reaper), the practice of targeted killings, collateral damage and the renditions/ detentions featuring the notorious waterboarding torture technique (Guantanamo Bay/ Abu Ghraib). This is the kind of monstrosity that you get when you believe that the ends justify the means.

Have you ever seen firemen go into a burning building with flamethrowers? Fire is not best fought with fire, despite the expression...that way of thinking just causes more destruction and suffering.

 

[googleback]

I suppose, but lets face it, its freaking america.

Fuck you buddy, you show me any fucking country where no one was celebrating the death of an enemy.

For that matter an enemy that killed thousands of civilians.

calm down sweetheart, i didn't actually mean it in a bad way.

In fact no, fuck that. your post is an example of the thinking that got us sent to war in the first place. ANYONE not any COUNTRY that thinks that death in ANY capacity is progress is living in a dream world. celebrating death is even worse, its fucking medieval. and don't throw "murderer of thousands" at me like I don't know.

I wont comment further. Thats all your getting from me.

Well said, but I think its the generalization in you first post that was in question. But, Father Time if you have a problem with generalization you should stop acting like the stereotype you have a problem with. That's an oxymoron.

"Fuck you buddy" will get you nowhere and while I understand that emotions are high I have to agree with Template. That kind of reaction is exactly why we were alienated from the rest of the world during Bush's Reign...

 

[spectrenihlus]

The fact you call him a human being is an insult to every single person alive today.

Yes...by all means...let's practice dehumanization, that sweet totalitarian invention.

Drop the indignant rage will ya. It makes you spout nonsense.

The man was a monster, I'm not saying to dehumanize a culture or people but more on a case by case basis. Did you rape and kill 5 people you lost your human status. Oh you killed a person because he was in your way no longer human. There is no creature more deserving of being dehumanized than Osama Bin Laden. Let his corpse be dragged around the national mall let the enemy see what we think of them if you feel any sympathy toward this creature I frankly want you investigated.

You don't understand...this isn't about sympathy. It's about the implications of dehumanization, whether large scale or on a case by case basis (which adds up if there are a lot of cases). Dehumanization makes it easier (psychologically) to, first, think of people as deserving death and, second, to actually kill them.

The worst thing is when killing people is seen as a solution to...anything. More clearly stated: Killing people has never been and never will be a solution to anything. Global terrorism isn't solved by Osama's death...nor by the deaths of others who follow that path.

If the U.S. believes that the problem can be solved by killing every terrorist/ insurgent/ jihadist on the face of the earth...it will become the Greater Terrorist. In fact...it's getting there quite nicely, especially with the deployment of unmanned combat aerial vehicles, a.k.a drones (Predator/ Reaper), the practice of targeted killings, collateral damage and the renditions/ detentions featuring the notorious waterboarding torture technique (Guantanamo Bay/ Abu Ghraib). This is the kind of monstrosity that you get when you believe that the ends justify the means.

Have you ever seen firemen go into a burning building with flamethrowers? Fire is not best fought with fire, despite the expression...that way of thinking just causes more destruction and suffering.

Actually firemen do fight fire with fire, not in a burning building but when their is a forest fire they will begin a fire in another area to diffuse the larger one. Drones are one of the greatest weapons ever in terms of lowest collateral damage and they keep our guys out of the fighting. War is won by being the most brutal and the most savage not in measured destruction. That is how the American Civil War was finally won it was how WW2 was won, and if they want to win this war you go in with as much force as possible not in measured attempts this measuring is why we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

 

[elbrandino]

Right. That's why I said the threat from him is gone. I'm fully aware a new leader could arise.

Yes, only I argue that the threat of him is very much alive. Only the man is dead.

Now, I don't agree. I would say the threat from him is gone. I would not say the threat from Islamic terrorists is gone. I suppose it's a matter of interpretation, when you get down to it.

 

[TheRealCJ]

So this is bad, but being glad the Nazis were driven out is OK?

And no, Godwin's Law does not apply.

It's quite a different situation.

The Nazis being taken down effectively ended the european war, which had claimed millions of lives. They weren't celebrating the death of a single man, they were celebrating the end of a devastating war. They were celebrating PEACE.

In this case, the war isn't over, not by a long shot, the death of Bin Laden won't bring about the end to this war, not any kind of official peace between us and them.

At best, I could label this celebration "premature".

I never said that, my comparison was based solely on the fact that in both cases, someone died and people are happy.

It ain't wrong.

Are you kidding?!

It's VERY wrong. The two situations couldn't be more dissimilar!

 

[Saint of M]

What do you think?

I think that anyone who wants to tell me to stop celebrating can come over here and kiss my ass.

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Hrrm, you have a point

My problem is the hundreds of people celebrating who don't even know what this guys done, life's not always as black and white as "he's the bad guy, cheer when he dies"......although whishing the general public would think for themself's is an imposible wish...

How can you not no what he has done? He's responsible for way airport security is for the last decade.

In all seriousness, I am glad he is dead. The fact of the matter is he is a monster who violated his prophet's words to fit his own aggenda. What isn't there to celabrate.

you weould be surprised my friend, theres one guy (19) in my class who asked honestley if bin laden was in any of the cod games, because he looks like somone shepared would befriend....words failed me

 

[bader0]

a country hunted down and mercilessly killed a man for something he did 10 years ago this is not something to be celebrated....... ever not that its something that should never happen just dont damn celebrate about it. i dont really even think they should have killed him i mean all they achieved was to invite a retaliation but Americans are gonna be Americans i guess.

 

[Manji187]

Actually firemen do fight fire with fire, not in a burning building but when their is a forest fire they will begin a fire in another area to diffuse the larger one. Drones are one of the greatest weapons ever in terms of lowest collateral damage and they keep our guys out of the fighting. War is won by being the most brutal and the most savage not in measured destruction. That is how the American Civil War was finally won it was how WW2 was won, and if they want to win this war you go in with as much force as possible not in measured attempts this measuring is why we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

Only the war in Afghanistan/ Pakistan/ Iraq is nothing like the American Civil War or WW2. It is assymmetrical in nature, it's about insurgency and counterinsurgency. All out brute force is counterproductive in such situations. One of the biggest risks is antagonizing the local population, giving the Taliban/ Al Qaeda more standing and more recruitment opportunities.

While you are right about drones making less collateral damage (as opposed to say, bombardment by cruise missiles), any collateral damage is bad when one tries to "win the hearts and minds" of the people in order to erode the foundations of the insurgents. Also the insurgents could interpret the use of drones as fear of death/ lack of courage on the part of U.S. soldiers and use that as propaganda/ recruitment material.

Counterinsurgency is a slower and more political "game" (i.e. also fostering relations/ diplomacy instead of just the application of force). It is in fact very much like your example of forest fires. You don't apply fire to fire directly (this is what I meant with my original statement). You apply it on surrounding patches to contain and extinguish the large one (eroding the foundations).

I'm curious...what do you think drives the insurgents to do what they do? Because I believe it doesn't help one bit to portray your enemy as just being a bunch of irrational religious fanatics who hate for the sake of hating (and nothing else). It sure is a great way to prevent yourself from thinking too deep about it. Basically, it is a reductionism that resembles dehumanization in the sense that it "makes things easier": "you don't have to listen to the enemy or try to understand him.....you just have to kill him."

 

[endnuen]

No murder, no matter whom, should be celebrated.
I have no affiliation with either the US or the Al Queda. But seriously, celebrating murder.. Sick people.