Oslo Murders Lead to Calls For Game Bans in Australia

Clonekiller

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Heh. This reminds me of when the media blamed the TEA party for that one nut that went off and shot a senator. Amazing how people will use a tragedy like that to further their political goals.

Course, the sad thing is that if the victims had one or two guns themselves, the death tole would have probably been much less. (like 20 instead of 76) But hey, if banning guns raised the death toll of a massacre, surely banning games will cause the nut cases to stay sane and placid.
 

FoAmY99

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Christianity and other religions have killed thousands more people than this guy did over the last 2500 years. Perhaps they should be reminded of their own sad histories before going on their "holier than thou" crusades against modern society saying we're evil and the things we like are evil.
 

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Zyntoxic said:
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Absolutionis said:
A Christian Group is calling for the bannings of video games because a fundamentalist Christian commit an act of terror upon Muslims?

I don't understand.
It's the same sneaky little tactic that fundamentalist Muslims try to use when divorcing themselves from extremists, they try to find another source to blame besides the hateful dogma and rhetoric they spout.
umm... it wasn't muslims... it was a socialist-camp/convetntion of sorts, most of the participants kids and teens...
You misunderstood me. I said it was same face saving tactic used by those who support terrorism within that religious community.
 

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As Chris Rock said in one of his stand up specials, whatever happened to being crazy? People are always looking for something to blame, neglecting to note that humans have done fucked up shit to one another for centuries.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
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You may scoff but it's been enacted in law here to stop outlaw motorcycle gangs
As the State governments that enacted such laws have been finding out, anti-association laws are generally considered Unconstitutional. First case to reach the full bench of the High Court of Australia will be the end of such laws.
While you are more than likely correct Rhombus (unfortunately in my opinion) we haven't seen that happen yet and so the laws currently stand. These laws are by NO means a perfect solution, but they give our police more options in stopping this kind of organised crime. For me at least, that seems like a step in the right direction.
 

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Well, I think the problem here is fairly complicated.

What we're seeing here is a case of video games being used as a boogieman. In this case the purpose of the video games seems to be to prevent people from looking too closely into this case. It's better to have the guy viewed as a "madman" and a "video game addict" than to have people looking into his motivations too closely.

While what the guy did was doubtlessly wrong (and I am saying this right here, so do not misinterpet the rest of what I had to say), it seemed perfectly rational. The guy was a "right winger" who was upset over the goverment's policies, especially their immigration policies. When the story first broke I remember reading something about how it was some kind of "military youth camp" he opened fire on (or something like that), and thought that the story was going to get pretty interesting when we found out what the goverment was up to that inspired this guy to perform a complicated multi tier attack, and what was going on at this camp that made it a target as opposed to a police barraks or whatever. For whatever reason I can't find the initial reports I read, or really much about the guy's motivations. Even the whole "political nutball" thing seems to be being downplayed right now in favor of "the guy is a madman who played video games".

I understand that Norway doesn't have the same free speech rights as the US, and even here we have trouble with this kind of disclosure (big time), but really I find it disconcerting that right now our media and goverment is so far gone, not to mentiont he people, that we allow video games to be used as an explanation. Had Heemeyer drove the "Killdozer" through town hall yesterday, I'd imagine we'd be hearing he did it due to playing too much "Twisted Metal" as opposed to having acted because the town cheated him on a real estate deal (basically took his land from him to give to a private company) and he had no recourses. Right or wrong, that's an understandable motive, and most real cases like this include one.

I think the pressure needs to be taken off the video games, and the media needs to give up it's paticular paticular biases, and seriously dig into stories like this. This guy obviously wasn't a moron given that this was a fairly sophisticated, multi-tiered attack. Of course I doubt that will happen both because the media doesn't generally push the left wing when they have a clear, right wing bad guy. What's more I for some reason get the impression that while this guy was wrong in doint what he did, that the goverment is being so tight about things because the Norweigan goverment would hardly come accross smelling like roses if the specific details in the guys motivations were known.

It's probably too late now, but what we really needed was some US cameras going through that youth camp. It seems to me that some people at least thought it was a "military youth camp" I don't know if that mean a military school, or like the left wing norweigan version of The Hitler Youth or what, but as bad as the shooter was, I get the impression something pretty sketchy was going on there that probably had nothing to do with video games. Even madmen have some internally consistant delusion usually, and "well I'm going to blow up a goverment building, and a random youth camp" doesn't exactly make sense... I think if people find that connection there will be an interesting story here that has nothing to do with "World Of Warcraft".

That's my thoughts at any rate.
 

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Believing that video games has anything to do with WHY he did it is being completely ignorant of the FACTS. You just have to read the manifest he wrote, it's all there.
 

Kermi

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Jim Wallace of the ACL claims the Oslo killer is not Christian, in spite of there being over 2700 references to Christianity in his manifesto calling for a new Christian crusade. There are 7 references to video games... but video games are to blame?

Delicious hypocrisy.
 

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Calbeck said:
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Oh really? A Christian group calls for a ban on videogames after the Oslo killings?

For the sake of argument, and because it bears repeating (I'm sure someone else has brought this up), the Oslo Killer is a devout Christian. He even calls for "a Christian war" to defend Europe from Islam in his manifesto. Hey, Christo-Fascists! I've got a better idea! How about we try BANNING CHRISTIANITY in Australia? See how that works out for us?
You may have missed it, but tens of thousands turned out in support of death threats against Danish cartoonists for parodying Muhammed. And that was just in Europe. Many carried placards calling for an Islamic war on "the infidels".

So, are you in favor of banning Islam in Europe, on basis of a much larger group of religious nuts making far more dire threats of violence?

Obviously the point of this counter-counter-argument is not to slam Islam, or to rebuke reasonable, moderate Muslims who practice their religion peacefully, but rather to point out the fallacy of proposing sweeping bans on certain ideas, media, or forms of expression just because some psycho who killed lots of people just happens to be tangentially associated with same.

In short, radical assholes in general can shut their fucking pie-holes.
Touché, but I think you may have missed my point somewhat. I was being facetious about the whole banning Christianity thing, because the first thing the radical Christian group did was suggest that we should ban videogames. The suggestion that we should ban Christianity was something I would say to the aforementioned group to show them that the banhammer can swing both ways, and that it's foolish to talk about banning anything when it's not yet clear what motivated this nutjob to go on a killing spree in the first place.

And if you already realized all that, then please disregard this reply, and have a nice day. :)
 

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Its kind of funny how a very religious idiot is blaming games for a very religious idiot going nuts. Never mind the fact the dood was also an ex-soldier with obvious mental instability and extensive knowledge and experience with firearms.

Its utterly absurd that anyone still believes media exposure = insanity. The only people who do are either stupid or so old, bitter, jaded and naive they'll blame anything they didn't grow up with on societies problems. So pathetic.
 

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I've said it time and time again, what on Earth do Christian groups have to do with Video Games? They have about as much right to complain about them as the National Union of French Fishermen (who are Gits in their own right but that's another topic). It seems whenever a new form of entertainment enters the spotlight the older generations oppose it and label it 'Evil'. It's nice to see the Australian government react with an ounce of common sense... maybe there's hope for them after all...
 

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I came in hear ready to rant about my government, I have no idea what to say. As the facebook comment said "We should ban religion as well. He was a christian and this means all Christians must be serial killers."
 

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I think this man's opinion perfectly illustrates the reason we in the USA feel it's so important to protect free speech, art, protest, etc. This guy claims that banning media even to prevent one such event in 20 years is worth it and I whole heartily disagree. Were games something he used? I don't think he was lying. Is WoW a great excuse? Sure is. But if it weren't those things it'd be Munic and Tom Clancy novels, or a knitting class.

Point is 'madmen' from our 'weak society' are going to commit murders and atrocities no matter what media the public should be allowed to consume. He's just another ass-backward religious nut wanting to control the world so strongly he's ready to take away the rights of his country to have an influence on it. I'm sorry Australia, hopefully someone knocks some sense into you guys' politicians and they get over this irrational focus on video game violence.
 

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The only goddamm reason these two ideas are in the one place is that because the proposed introduction of an R rating in Australia roughly coincided with an horrific mass murder in Norway in which the perpetrator [GASP] played games. A newspaper tenuously linked two topics because they were current as opposed to correlated, sought out a predictable dick to say predictably dickish things, ergo ATTENTION.

The media, as ever, covering themselves in glory.

[edit] And for the record, most of our politicians have had their heads screwed on regarding this subject at least (other subjects not so much). As others have noted, our system of censorship allowed small but vocal minority opinions to delay a sensible system of classification: the dipshit quoted in the 'story' happens to be a part of that minority. This article is nothing more than manufactured controversy
 

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Archemetis said:
There is no relation between the two.

Playing Modern Warfare 2 is just like pressing buttons in any other game.

After a long 'training' session in MW2 I'm almost certain I'd probably be more familiar with how to work dishwasher than a functional gun.
xD That's what I thought so, too.
 

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The worst part: In the manifesto, there are a handful of references to video games and how to use them as a cover. What Jim Wallace seems to happily disregard is the hundreds of references to the religion he uses so well to get his political point across. If he wants to call into question video games and how violent they are, why not call into question the Bible and how violent (and generally ridiculous) that is.

You can't have one and ignore the other, Jim.
 

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who said that any game that can push even just a few nutcases "over the edge" should be banned.
I had a similar thought about religion: "any religion that can push even just a few totalitarian extremists into bombing buildings and crashing shit into things should be banned".

Should probably ban everything else that can be pushed over the edge while he's at it, you know, peanuts, coffee, chairs, tables, cars, people, etc.
 

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Ah as soon as they get the chance those cockroaches start crawling out of the woodwork, someone go get a mallet before they run away again.