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I don't think we should align the incentives of our systems of production and distribution to produce more poker players and other gamblers at the expense of people doing things that are actually useful.
You are right, but that's conflating the subject based off a tangent so it shouldn't be taken as a serious answer to the greater question.
 

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You are right, but that's conflating the subject based off a tangent so it shouldn't be taken as a serious answer to the greater question.
We have people implicitly saying that winners should be those who correctly predict the precise nature and timeframe of the next several decades of technological development while they are starting college and anyone else should just suffer, so it's hardly irrelevant. And it exposes "but poker players" as non-responsive.
 

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You dont understand the gamble of investment then.
What gamble? Losses are tax write offs. If you invest big enough, the government socialises your losses entirely.

Then you fire as many peons as necessary. Sucks to be them, it's their own fault for working for a living
 

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We have people implicitly saying that winners should be those who correctly predict the precise nature and timeframe of the next several decades of technological development while they are starting college and anyone else should just suffer, so it's hardly irrelevant. And it exposes "but poker players" as non-responsive.
Again you are still insinuating that a "winner" can only ever be a person who reaches the 1% of all income. That's just wrong and a stupid POV. There are plenty of people making between $40k-80k a year living full and happy lives.

Maybe stop fetishizing the super rich, and start fetishizing attainable goals so that people will make pushes to achieve something realistic.
 

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I also said the customer was at fault to.

The crazy thing about freedom is that if you hate your job, you can go look for another one. Even if it is only a step sideways. You can leave a bad situation (assuming your manager or employer is a dickbag) and go find something else.

So no, I don't really understand your problem in this. What I hear is just excuses.
"Go from one shitty job that doesn't pay the rent to another shitty job that doesn't pay the rent, there's no problem there"
 
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Again you are still insinuating that a "winner" can only ever be a person who reaches the 1% of all income. That's just wrong and a stupid POV. There are plenty of people making between $40k-80k a year living full and happy lives.

Maybe stop fetishizing the super rich, and start fetishizing attainable goals so that people will make pushes to achieve something realistic
If you were paying attention, you'd notice that we *are* fetishizing the current median income of the United States. Specifically with the idea that if you have a job that's worth doing, it should pay that much

EDIT: The current median income in the Untied States is ~$67,000. It is not unreasonable to argue that any full time job in the United States should pay ~$40,000 a year, or ~60% of that

But that's $19.25/hr
 
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Again you are still insinuating that a "winner" can only ever be a person who reaches the 1% of all income. That's just wrong and a stupid POV. There are plenty of people making between $40k-80k a year living full and happy lives.
What? I'm talking about people choosing their major.
 
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We have people implicitly saying that winners should be those who correctly predict the precise nature and timeframe of the next several decades of technological development while they are starting college and anyone else should just suffer, so it's hardly irrelevant. And it exposes "but poker players" as non-responsive.
What? I'm talking about people choosing their major.
You explicitly say "winners" here. Unless you are directly referring that "winners" would have to accurately predict the future in order to have a degree that "wins". In which case that is also wrong, because a tech degree doesn't mean you'll be an innovator. You can be a IT-tech for any number of businesses, software engineer, there are a plethora of tech jobs that are great but don't equal becoming Steve Jobs. Additionally you could always put for jobs that will never go away, medical, justice, etc. There are a wide range of potential majors you could choose to "win" and furthermore you don't even need a major because you can opt to go to a trade school and learn a trade job in which you'd yield a much cheaper education with a very big return on investment.
 

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Yeah man, just be a nurse and get yelled at by people dying of covid for not letting them have deworming medication.

As for trade jobs, well we largely destroyed our high-school pipelines for trade jobs two decades ago. Shop and craft classes are basically non-existent.

But hey, get a tech degree and you too can have $20,000-$100,000 of debt to get an entry level $16/hr job working IT EDIT: You get that most of the widely mocked job postings on the internet are for Tech, right?
 
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You explicitly say "winners" here. Unless you are directly referring that "winners" would have to accurately predict the future in order to have a degree that "wins". In which case that is also wrong, because a tech degree doesn't mean you'll be an innovator. You can be a IT-tech for any number of businesses, software engineer, there are a plethora of tech jobs that are great but don't equal becoming Steve Jobs. Additionally you could always put for jobs that will never go away, medical, justice, etc. There are a wide range of potential majors you could choose to "win" and furthermore you don't even need a major because you can opt to go to a trade school and learn a trade job in which you'd yield a much cheaper education with a very big return on investment.
Yes, winning majors get to do better paid drudgery while whoever finances that drudgery walks away with the profit and often also the narcissistic delusion that they are an 'innovator'. Losing majors get their jobs automated.
 

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You dont understand the gamble of investment then.
Going back to this because it's hilarious

I know it's gambling, you know it's gambling, r/wallstreetbets knows it's gambling, but the government and most of the wealthy investors seem to be making decisions based on the idea that it's a solid, reputable investment platform.

And that's a problem
 
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Or work in retail and get murdered for telling someone to wear a mask. Ha ha, sucks to be you, look at how much better I am.
You know shit's bad when the CDC says to stop trying to police mask use in stores because too many people are getting fucking stabbed
 
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Dumbest fucking thing I've seen written down today. Jeff Bezos' parents straight gave him a quarter mil to start his business.
Fucking lazy ass kids these days!!! Work hard, pull yourself up by your own boot straps, get Daddy to give you a six figure "loan" cause you're his special little guy, and you too can become successful!
 

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Ever heard of a business loan. This aint unique to him.
I have heard of a business loan. They’re given out by banks and have credit checked, interest rates, regular repayments and may also require collateral. Most importantly there’s no emotional connection between a banker and the customer. If you renege on the loan contract they’ll take what’s owed without remorse or pity.

While I have no doubt Mr. Bezos the elder expected to be paid back - and to be fair to Jeff, I’m sure he was and then some - but I also seriously doubt that money came with as many obligations tied to it as a genuine business loan which would have given him considerably greater freedom in what he did with it.
 

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I have heard of a business loan. They’re given out by banks and have credit checked, interest rates, regular repayments and may also require collateral. Most importantly there’s no emotional connection between a banker and the customer. If you renege on the loan contract they’ll take what’s owed without remorse or pity.

While I have no doubt Mr. Bezos the elder expected to be paid back - and to be fair to Jeff, I’m sure he was and then some - but I also seriously doubt that money came with as many obligations tied to it as a genuine business loan which would have given him considerably greater freedom in what he did with it.
Sure he had some advantage, but most people have advantages in some aspect. Whether you have a friend who hooks you up with a job, start to work with family, have family support, whatever.

Again it's just a snobby sneer towards someone for no reason because there is a feeling of unfair advantage. But all that is, is just pettiness. Everyone has advantages somewhere along the line, and not everyone uses them.

But the most important factor, life isn't fair. It isn't the world's responsibility to get everyone a fair shake. So being bitter towards others who you perceive as having a higher angle than you is just excusing your own failure. It's not a helpful mindset.
 

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But the most important factor, life isn't fair. It isn't the world's responsibility to get everyone a fair shake. So being bitter towards others who you perceive as having a higher angle than you is just excusing your own failure. It's not a helpful mindset.
Thank you, Tony Robbins.

Now let's see you explain why allowing a tiny minority of the population to hoard the majority of the wealth is good for the economy. I've asked you before and you never answered. It's almost as if you can't because you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.