Painkiller Dev Can't See The Benefit of PS4 Over Gaming PC

HellbirdIV

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Terramax said:
No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.
By some recent estimates, console gaming is going to collapse on itself at some point during this "next generation" due to user and developer backlash towards larger production companies, media outlets and publishers. Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?

At this point in time, console gaming and PC gaming are largely one and the same, except PC gaming has more options to tailor to each specific user, better access to online play, better customer service, DLC support and of course widely available downloadable games of any size, not just 2D platformers or "artsy" (lazy) indie games.

The argument that consoles are cheaper is incredibly short-sighted as PC technological developments keep putting year-old machines down to half or a third of its original price, which gives you a PC with substantially better game performance than any console for the same price, PLUS all the benefits of having a personal computer.
 

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Robetid said:
It all depends on how much people want to dump into thier PC, although acording to nvidia the PS4 is only as good as a "low-end" PC, which doesnt sound too thrilling pre-launch. I've never been a playstation gamer and it doesnt look like now is the time to start.
Although keep in mind that Sony have ditched them from making the PS4 graphics card and gone with their competitor AMD. I don't think they would have said that if it was one of their designs powering it.
 

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Just like to point out you can buy a pre-made, lightly used PC for $400 and slap a HD6870 in it for $100, that'll do DX11 graphics at 1920x1080@60FPS, ie the same as what the PS4 is going to do.

You can buy this today, right now, and as you're playing your games in 1 window you can have porn up in another.

"But madster" you might hurr at me "That's $100 more than a PS4, and probably $150 more after the 3-4 month later price drop!"
Indeed it is more money. So, how about we buy 10x 3 or 4 month old games in summer and see who comes out better.
Yeah, all those $70 games you just bought? On sale on Steam for $20 or less. But you want free games, right? And early access to stuff? So, how's that $50 a year feel for that PSN+ subscription to get the same content as is free on PC?
All those PS2 games you have sitting there on disc are nice. Hey, i've got an idea, why not buy them again through PSN because the PS4 doesn't do backwards compatability?
Or, maybe, buy a $5 DVD drive to install into your PC, and run the PS2 games on that with PCSX2, a free PS2 emulator.

Still want the PS4?

Well, your cat just threw your PS4 controller out of your 4th story window, breaking it. So now you have to go buy a replacement. Was that the same price as a $10 keyboard+mouse combo? No, it wasn't. It was a minimum of $50.

Well, it's been about a year now. Oh, what's that? Your PS4 just broke, 1 month out of warranty? Well, go ahead and buy another one, or send it to Sony to get fixed. Won't cost too much, surely?
Meanwhile, your PC just broke too. A fan got something caught in it, snapping and breaking a stick of RAM at the same time. What a mess! Well, you'll just have to buy a new comp-
Oh, wait, no. That'll be $20 and 5 minutes of effort to fix.


So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?
 

MrHide-Patten

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If I gamed at my work PC I'd never get anything done. It's also an assocaition thing, I associate computers with work and consoles with play. Also just because the machine you play your games on is more powerful it doesn't make the game better, just means how many particles you can render.

But at the end of the day it coems down to a very simple thing of; I cannot be arsed.
 

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madster11 said:
Just like to point out you can buy a pre-made, lightly used PC for $400 and slap a HD6870 in it for $100, that'll do DX11 graphics at 1920x1080@60FPS, ie the same as what the PS4 is going to do.

You can buy this today, right now, and as you're playing your games in 1 window you can have porn up in another.

"But madster" you might hurr at me "That's $100 more than a PS4, and probably $150 more after the 3-4 month later price drop!"
Indeed it is more money. So, how about we buy 10x 3 or 4 month old games in summer and see who comes out better.
Yeah, all those $70 games you just bought? On sale on Steam for $20 or less. But you want free games, right? And early access to stuff? So, how's that $50 a year feel for that PSN+ subscription to get the same content as is free on PC?
All those PS2 games you have sitting there on disc are nice. Hey, i've got an idea, why not buy them again through PSN because the PS4 doesn't do backwards compatability?
Or, maybe, buy a $5 DVD drive to install into your PC, and run the PS2 games on that with PCSX2, a free PS2 emulator.

Still want the PS4?

Well, your cat just threw your PS4 controller out of your 4th story window, breaking it. So now you have to go buy a replacement. Was that the same price as a $10 keyboard+mouse combo? No, it wasn't. It was a minimum of $50.

Well, it's been about a year now. Oh, what's that? Your PS4 just broke, 1 month out of warranty? Well, go ahead and buy another one, or send it to Sony to get fixed. Won't cost too much, surely?
Meanwhile, your PC just broke too. A fan got something caught in it, snapping and breaking a stick of RAM at the same time. What a mess! Well, you'll just have to buy a new comp-
Oh, wait, no. That'll be $20 and 5 minutes of effort to fix.


So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?
Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.
 

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Terramax said:
Dear all PC loving devs,


No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

Yours sincerely,


The rest of the world.

EDIT: For clarification, I play both PC and console games. I'm just fed up of devs making these pointless comments. Both have pros and cons. People have only had since the 80's do deal with it.
This should probably be a post bemoaning all the interviewers who ask the interviewees these questions.
 

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HellbirdIV said:
Terramax said:
No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.
By some recent estimates, console gaming is going to collapse on itself at some point during this "next generation" due to user and developer backlash towards larger production companies, media outlets and publishers. Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?

At this point in time, console gaming and PC gaming are largely one and the same, except PC gaming has more options to tailor to each specific user, better access to online play, better customer service, DLC support and of course widely available downloadable games of any size, not just 2D platformers or "artsy" (lazy) indie games.

The argument that consoles are cheaper is incredibly short-sighted as PC technological developments keep putting year-old machines down to half or a third of its original price, which gives you a PC with substantially better game performance than any console for the same price, PLUS all the benefits of having a personal computer.
I don't think pc gamers understand. If consoles vanish, that is less competition in the gaming industry. You don't want less competition.
 

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BernardoOne said:
Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1171046
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/230946660497?

Alas, you were correct. You can't get a PC with the same perf. for $500.
It's $450.98 + shipping.
Takes under 3hrs for someone with no experience to build it all, or i'll do it for $20 if you want.
Bonus points for the 2tb HDD included in that deal. That's over 2000hrs of high definition porn, with room left over for every Mass Effect, Crysis, Ass Creed, Call of Duty and Battlefield made.

I have that exact same graphics card. Here's me playing Monster Hunter Tri while watching Yahtzee. (supplement your favorite PS2/GC/Wii game and porn in your head)
[http://imgur.com/9gmzwIa]

(I would personally use the $50 left from the $500 to buy a better power supply, just in case. Although if you've been playing on consoles, even the shittiest of PSUs will seem like it's lasted a long time. My power supply has a 7 year warranty. No idea what warranty's on my CPU - i've never heard of a dead i5-2500k that's not user broken)
 

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BernardoOne said:
madster11 said:
So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?
Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.
How do you know since hardware specs of PS4 still aren't out while the prices of PC components keep dropping? :]
The only viable argument here is the fact you don't have to do any kind of settings tweaks but honestly those do not bother me and I do find it hilarious that I can play on low end cheap ass notebook for 4 years straight (so far, aint stopping/upgrading any time soon)if I but deal with the fact that it's not the prettiest stuff I've ever seen.
 

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My pc blows a Ps4 out of the water but I'd get one for the exclusives which are pretty nice on playstation. If the devs want to gimp themselves it's up to them I guess but as long as consoles have good games I'll buy them.
 

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Robetid said:
It all depends on how much people want to dump into thier PC, although acording to nvidia the PS4 is only as good as a "low-end" PC, which doesnt sound too thrilling pre-launch. I've never been a playstation gamer and it doesnt look like now is the time to start.
Are you really surprised that the company that didn't work on the console says that? Just seems like they want people to buy their product instead.

HellbirdIV said:
Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?
I'm quoting this because, frankly, they do. How exactly is the industry going to crash when there are an abundant variety of games on the market. Plus with kickstarter and plenty of indie devs around I really don't see it crashing.
 

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immovablemover said:
Because gaming PC's cost several times more than consoles, often have non-RTS exclusive games and offer local multiplayer without a shit ton of work.

Why are all these people in high paid positions fucking retarded?
I...can't figure out which side you're arguing for or against here.

Edit: Wait I got it now, your wording was just really really poor.

LAN is difficult? lolno. Also most console games don't offer local multiplayer (outside of just two people). At least not without multiple consoles. And that's a lot harder than having multiple PCs in one place, using a the same network router.
 

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Urabutln said:
These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

But the reality is that the PS4 (and the new XBOX) will cost between $300 and $500, and its unified architecture means that developers will know exactly what kind of machine they're making their game for, resulting in some serious optimization. I mean these comments were bandied about when the X360 and the PS3 came out as well - they still sold 170 million units between them, and their software was impressive long after their hardware was all but obsolete.
Its an $1800 PC now but in 18 months time it will be a $500 PC and in two years it will be a $300 PC, whereas the PS4 will still be the same power and the same price in two years time. The PS4 spec ins't far ahead of the average PC as the PS3 in terms of power. Since the addition of the hardware allocation layer in win2k, the hardware on a PC is so far away the windows API that its an effectively a unified architecture.
 

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RicoADF said:
Agreed. Also another point that consoles have is that they just work, no technical knowledge other than plug into TV required. Don't get me wrong I love my PC's (I built them myself and bought a laptop), and I use them more than any of my consoles now. However I can see the role they serve and the advantages they have. I think it speaks volumes of the industry that negativity and condeming others in the industry like this is so common and routines. Rather saddening.
Yeah, it's all well and good saying there is no difference from ps4 to pc being good with PCs, however I know people that struggle with anything on a computer. For them, a console where they can buy a disc, put it in and play is going to be far better than a box with a load of numbers that they have to compare to their PC. Not to mention, most people HAVE a tv, so the cost is literally just the console. PC you have to buy everything, in theory anyway. Take away the cost of a decent monitor from the cost of a console and you don't have much left for parts.
Err did you quote the wrong person? I was saying that consoles have their place and practically the same thing as you are, sure I don't use mine as much as I use to but I do see them having those roles.
 

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Terramax said:
Dear all PC loving devs,


No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

Yours sincerely,


The rest of the world.

EDIT: For clarification, I play both PC and console games. I'm just fed up of devs making these pointless comments. Both have pros and cons. People have only had since the 80's do deal with it.
But we didn't have the internet in the 80s to serve as an echo chamber for insane fringe groups.