PC Gaming is Cool And All... But...

[Stall]

And a newer, more efficient form of connector will be made, after which you'll need to replace shitloads of things.

But it takes several years for the newer form of connector to fully replace the previous one. Even further, cards made with the previous connector will probably still be produced for a good year or so after a new version comes out, so it isn't too horribly difficult to find a card of a previous type when the new one is still trying to be fully adopted. It takes YEARS for new slots and buses to be accepted, you know. It isn't this magical thing that instantly drives your rig into obsolescence over night.

Please, know what you are talking about before you come on the internet and try to look cool.

 

[Waaghpowa]

And a newer, more efficient form of connector will be made, after which you'll need to replace shitloads of things.

But it takes several years for the newer form of connector to fully replace the previous one. Even further, cards made with the previous connector will probably still be produced for a good year or so after a new version comes out, so it isn't too horribly difficult to find a card of a previous type when the new one is still trying to be fully adopted. It takes YEARS for new slots and buses to be accepted, you know.

Please, know what you are talking about before you come on the internet and try to look cool.

This, beat me to it. If i'm correct, the older pcie sockets are compatable with the new ones, but wont be able to take advantage of the speed.

Edit: I may be wrong, I can't say for sure

 

[blizzaradragon]

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, so there is no such thing as one "superior" platform. For example: on a PC you can have a bunch of hotkeys for various abilities while the console is limited to however many buttons are on the controller, or how the analog stick on a controller is able to pick up multiple ranges of movement(useful for things like sneaking) while the keyboard is either pressed or not and can't tell just how much pressure is being applied.

For me, there are some games that work better on a console and some that work better on a PC. I prefer playing Mass Effect on my PC, but Assassin's Creed on my PS3. It all comes down to preference and play style.

 

[Xman490]

Don't forget that PCs are designed to browse the internet and make documents. Frankly, the gaming ability of my Macbook Pro (including the extra Windows 7 Ultimate OS) came as an extra plus.

 

[krazykidd]

Console, PC.

Ain't nothin but forks and spoons. There are things eaten with a fork, things eaten with a spoon, some things can be eaten with either, but no real conflict amongst silverware.

You sir are a wise man . I can't even comment anymore , because anything i say just comes down to this .

 

[AssassinFisH]

To get the best experiences from gaming, you need a console and a decent PC. Love my consoles, but PC's are the daddy for RTS's and MMO's.

 

[Stall]

Console, PC.

Ain't nothin but forks and spoons. There are things eaten with a fork, things eaten with a spoon, some things can be eaten with either, but no real conflict amongst silverware.

If we are going for that analogy, then consoles are just spoons, while PCs are <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splayd>splayds.

PCs really are just the objectively superior platform. Nothing is wrong with likely consoles (I have a PS3 for console exclusives), but its incorrect to say that they are equal, as a PC can do everything a console can do (and do it better as well) as well as having literally thousands, if not millions, of other fuctions.

 

[weker]

1) new high performance parts every couple of years.

2) don't need to be upgraded constantly. It takes about 6 years, give or take, before a new generation of consoles is released and takes over the current gen.

3) Also, and this is where I'll probably lose most people, I think controllers are more natural feeling than a mouse an keyboard.

4)I personally think that cross-platform multiplayer would be pretty cool. But it won't happen if we keep bickering about whose machine does what better.

1)Your parts to not melt over time their is no reason to replace a part every couple of years, many console players use this and yet it doesn't makes sense. The only people who upgrade this frequently are the PC elite
2) This can be said for the PC, your assume that your PC must be top of best every time. PCs however get more of a improvement every 6 years for the same price
3)Yes some games such as assasins creed play better then PC due to the design however, i will say shooters do not due to the slower moment with the controller, its a more realistic a immersion feel with a m&K when it comes to shooters.
OFC this is just your preference and the same goes to mine but dont forget a controller is usable on pc as well
4) cross platform would be great but it doesn't work due to the skill barrier, i find it almost undeniable that pc gamers are vastly more skilled when it comes to shooters and many other games, due to the community and input device


All in all I think the consoles compare to the pc like the consoles do to the WII one is more streamlined interface while the other is difficult to use but give s a better end effect

 

[sivlin]

Just to point out, cross platform gaming will never be truly balanced because the precision of mouse and keyboard is too far ahead of controllers to keep it balanced.

only really applies to FPS and RTS

and i suppose some MMOs

So all of the most popular genres? Good point.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

That said, consoles are cheaper initially but are outdated and have to be completely replaced. PCs cost more at the start but upgrading can be cheaper.

Let's put it this way.

I got my xbox 360 for ?250. I could buy a top-of-the-range gaming PC for about ?750/800.

If you're to upgrade your pc, say, every 3 years with new a gfx card, you're still spending more than a console in the long run, as I've already had my xbox for almost six years, and it doesn't look like I'll have to be shelling out for a new generation of console any time soon, probably not for at least two or three more years.

Again, why would you have to upgrade every three years? They only have to be upgraded every time a new console generation is released, and that's only if you want to outperform consoles. $250ish for a new GPU vs. $500ish for a new console. Between that and the lower cost of games, gaming PCs do beat out consoles in cost over time. Initially consoles are cheaper.

Over here the price difference for games is about 5 euro, so that's gone. Oh, and 500 dollars for a new console? Impressively expensive console you got going there.
And what happens when your new GPU needs a new motherboard as well, which won't be compatible with your CPU and HDD?

Then you'll be fucked over.

Where do you buy your games? Dawn of War Retribution Collector's Edition new was ?20 in the Gamestop in my town and all 360 and PS3 games are still ?45+ new. Even a quick look at CDwow.ie shows PC games are cheaper not including Steam. Even comparing Argos.ie prices to PC Cdwow PC is still cheaper. This is not including that PC games devalue much quicker than console games. This isn't even counting that 360 games new at launch were ?70.

 

[Denamic]

Consoles (to me) are preferred because they tend to be cheaper to start, and don't need to be upgraded constantly. It takes about 6 years, give or take, before a new generation of consoles is released and takes over the current gen.

Where does this notion that you have to upgrade your computer all the time come from?
It's simply not true.
If you have a 8800GT, 4GB DDR2 RAM, ~3GHz dual core or better, you can play pretty much any game in existence at medium/high settings.
I know, because that's my old computer that I use as back-up/file server/LAN machine.
And even 5 years ago, those specs were only decent.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

When talking prices I must ask this: why do noone count the price of the tv? It seems to me that it is an important thing for a console.

And seeing as everybody makes up the claim that a pc needs to cost 1500$ I submit that the tv must be 70 inches so both arguments can be silly.

And I don't think that it makes sense to say that we all have a tv in any case. If not because my PS3 and 360 needed it I'd not have a tv, whereas I need a pc for any number of things.

 

[Robert Ewing]

The only upside that consoles have that I can see, is that they're cheaper to get. (The console that is, the price of the games for next-gen consoles are through the roof, way ahead of PC games.)

And they tend to be better at fighting off piracy. But even that has been brought down a bit.

Tbh, the PC is capable of better graphics, has superior mouse and keyboard set up which is why PC gamer can take on a 360 or PS3 gamer and win on any game out there, because the 360 and PS3 controllers are just that millisecond too slow, PC games are mod happy- Not that I use mods, I myself can't see the appeal of most of them. Better online experience I've found. And a more professional and friendlier community.

The PC community is very diverse yes, but the ones I join are very nice and friendly. All the 360 and PS3 communities tend to be the same 12 - 15 year old shouting racist chants at everything they can, makes me want to stop playing. It's not a good experience to have those pre-pubescent teenagers screaming at you for the duration of the match, reminds me of that damn fairy on Zelda.

 

[ruben6f]

I just hate something about pc, I am playing with me friends owning people in the game and BLAM auto balance I am no longer playing with my friends.

 

[Waaghpowa]

When talking prices I must ask this: why do noone count the price of the tv? It seems to me that it is an important thing for a console.

And seeing as everybody makes up the claim that a pc needs to cost 1500$ I submit that the tv must be 70 inches so both arguments can be silly.

And I don't think that it makes sense to say that we all have a tv in any case. If not because my PS3 and 360 needed it I'd not have a tv, whereas I need a pc for any number of things.

The cost of a TV is usually not taken into account since most people already have one and don't buy them just for consoles. Though the same thing can apply for PC's since most televisions have the appropriate connections to be used as a monitor.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

When talking prices I must ask this: why do noone count the price of the tv? It seems to me that it is an important thing for a console.

And seeing as everybody makes up the claim that a pc needs to cost 1500$ I submit that the tv must be 70 inches so both arguments can be silly.

And I don't think that it makes sense to say that we all have a tv in any case. If not because my PS3 and 360 needed it I'd not have a tv, whereas I need a pc for any number of things.

The cost of a TV is usually not taken into account since most people already have one and don't buy them just for consoles. Though the same thing can apply for PC's since most televisions have the appropriate connections to be used as a monitor.

While anecdotal data is proof of nothing I know far more people without tvs than pcs.

My point was just that if people insist, crazy though it is, that a pc cost 1500 it ought to be included.

 

[migo]

I chuckle every time I hear someone say consoles are cheaper. The price of a gaming PC vs the price of an xbox, sure, then the xbox is cheaper. But when you factor in buying a new console 3 times because they break quickly, more expensive games and less things like the steam summer sale and overpriced headsets, controllers and the likes, it ends up almost even.

The real cost with a console is HDTVs, which is only kicking in this generation. By the next one everyone has one, so it's no longer a major cost. While you don't get major discounts on unopened games, you can get preowned games for pretty cheap, and trading in games ends up getting a lot of value. If you approach console gaming from a PC perspective, where DRM has ruined the used market, it looks more expensive, just like how if you approach PC gaming from a console perspective it looks more expensive because all you are looking at is retail games.

 

[Waaghpowa]

When talking prices I must ask this: why do noone count the price of the tv? It seems to me that it is an important thing for a console.

And seeing as everybody makes up the claim that a pc needs to cost 1500$ I submit that the tv must be 70 inches so both arguments can be silly.

And I don't think that it makes sense to say that we all have a tv in any case. If not because my PS3 and 360 needed it I'd not have a tv, whereas I need a pc for any number of things.

The cost of a TV is usually not taken into account since most people already have one and don't buy them just for consoles. Though the same thing can apply for PC's since most televisions have the appropriate connections to be used as a monitor.

While anecdotal data is proof of nothing I know far more people without tvs than pcs.

My point was just that if people insist, crazy though it is, that a pc cost 1500 it ought to be included.

I was simply implying that would be the reasoning for ignoring the TV costs. I'm one of those people you mentioned that doesn't own a TV, since I do everything from my PC.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I chuckle every time I hear someone say consoles are cheaper. The price of a gaming PC vs the price of an xbox, sure, then the xbox is cheaper. But when you factor in buying a new console 3 times because they break quickly, more expensive games and less things like the steam summer sale and overpriced headsets, controllers and the likes, it ends up almost even.

The real cost with a console is HDTVs, which is only kicking in this generation. By the next one everyone has one, so it's no longer a major cost. While you don't get major discounts on unopened games, you can get preowned games for pretty cheap, and trading in games ends up getting a lot of value. If you approach console gaming from a PC perspective, where DRM has ruined the used market, it looks more expensive, just like how if you approach PC gaming from a console perspective it looks more expensive because all you are looking at is retail games.

Where I am pre owned games only brings the price more closely in line with PC games first hand and then including various sales on PC and the fact that games do devalue quicker PC still ends up cheaper or at the very least in some cases equal.

 

[yuval152]

I chuckle every time I hear someone say consoles are cheaper. The price of a gaming PC vs the price of an xbox, sure, then the xbox is cheaper. But when you factor in buying a new console 3 times because they break quickly, more expensive games and less things like the steam summer sale and overpriced headsets, controllers and the likes, it ends up almost even.

I have to pay 5,000-7,000 NIS for a gaming computer,and for an xbox slim I have to pay 3,000 NIS.

A New AAA game that got released=350 NIS

which means that I can buy 5 new AAA released games and have a change of 100 NIS.

Or I can buy 6 few months old games and have a change of 200 NIS.

No diffrence?

and PC games here cost like 320-350 NIS so almost no major price diffrence.

And I never use mics,and already have a HD 720p TV.