PC Gaming is Cool And All... But...

[Jazoni89]

Computing technology is increasing much faster than it did in the past.

That means upgrades are more frequent, rather than say every five years nowadays.

Only if you want to continually increase the amount by which your PC's capabilities exceed those of consoles. Which, in general, is pointless because most games are ported over from consoles and therefore don't support the more advanced stuff like DirectX 11.

Then that defeats the whole point of the graphical superiority that pc gamers have over console gamers.

Surely you can't dismiss that.

 

[migo]

When talking prices I must ask this: why do noone count the price of the tv? It seems to me that it is an important thing for a console.

And seeing as everybody makes up the claim that a pc needs to cost 1500$ I submit that the tv must be 70 inches so both arguments can be silly.

And I don't think that it makes sense to say that we all have a tv in any case. If not because my PS3 and 360 needed it I'd not have a tv, whereas I need a pc for any number of things.

The cost of a TV is usually not taken into account since most people already have one and don't buy them just for consoles. Though the same thing can apply for PC's since most televisions have the appropriate connections to be used as a monitor.

While anecdotal data is proof of nothing I know far more people without tvs than pcs.

My point was just that if people insist, crazy though it is, that a pc cost 1500 it ought to be included.

Depends on the circle of friends you have. It was the same for me when I was going through University, but before and after it reversed. Almost anyone who's settled down has a TV, and because HDTVs now take up less space than CRT SDTVs, almost everyone is upgrading anyway. Price is getting more manageable each year too. If you don't have an HDTV yet, then a PS3 is horrendously expensive, while the 360 can at least work with a PC monitor using the VGA HD adaptor. Buying a PC monitor ends up being quite a bit cheaper and ends up not using nearly as much power. I noticed a $30-$40 spike in electricity bills after getting an HDTV, so that should be factored in too.

All that is moot though if you already have the HDTV for other purposes, then the console is a pretty cheap addition.

 

[migo]

Computing technology is increasing much faster than it did in the past.

That means upgrades are more frequent, rather than say every five years nowadays.

Only if you want to continually increase the amount by which your PC's capabilities exceed those of consoles. Which, in general, is pointless because most games are ported over from consoles and therefore don't support the more advanced stuff like DirectX 11.

Then that defeats the whole point of the graphical superiority that pc gamers have over console gamers.

Surely you can't dismiss that.

Yeah, to get graphical superiority you're either comparing against a system that's several years older than the PC, or you're paying a ton for it.

 

[The Lawn]

Consoles are not cheaper.
I've spent probably... $1200 total on PC parts for my setup near the beginning of this console generation, including my monitors, all 3 of them. It's not amazing, but it far exceeds the recommended specs for new games today even though the hardware that matters is a couple years old now.

My console gamer friend has purchased a Wii, when it was new. $250.
Purchased an extra Wiimote and nunchuck thing. About 40 bucks.
Purchased an Xbox 360 at launch. $400.
Purchased extra controllers. 50 bucks at the time I believe, so 100 bucks total.
Purchased a PS3, the 60gig backwards compatable one, at launch. $600.
Purchased extra controller. Again, about 50 bucks.

A couple years later, due to the power supply on the ps3 failing and it no longer being under warranty.
New Ps3, 40 gig version. $400.

That's already a total of 1840 dollars, over the course of the last generation alone.

I've bought for my PC: A new Motherboard, a quad core processor, and 16 gigs of ram, and a 750 watt powersuppy.
Cost of all those, about 350 dollars.
Bringing my total to about $1550.

If I include the TVs he had to purchase over the generation as well the cost would be nearing $2500 for the consoles.

 

[Sparrow]

If I had the technical know-how to build a cheap, yet efficient gaming computer of my own or deep enough pockets to simply buy one outright I'd probably play on PC too. The promise of mods and smoother gameplay has always appealed to me, but I'd probably still end up using a controller even if I did get a gaming rig. You play to you strenghts, right?

 

[Zipa]

My preference is the PC and always has been, I prefer the mouse+KB combo plus my PC does other things besides gaming . Plus steam sales are awesome.

And PC technology is better than consoles, most games now on PC can have far more people in one map than consoles as PCs tech is better. PCs even pre built ones have better processors and more RAM than a console does.
It shows more so now than ever as the current console cycle has been on going for a long time now and console hardware doesn't change but new PCs always have something far newer than whats in a console.

 

[loc978]

hmm, another one of these...

Just as an aside, how many folks posted in this thread from a game console, how many from a phone, and how many from a PC?
I'm going to assume that most people are going to have a PC anyway, as an office tool, media player, et cetera... and a PC that does all of that good stuff (minus gaming) generally costs about as much as as a gaming console (unless you're talking about a laptop, but then you might as well just get a netbook. All the required functionality for a mobile PC at about a quarter the price of a gaming laptop... and gaming laptops are a joke anyway).
Bear with me here, almost done.
Assuming you use a cheap desktop computer to use the internet, word processors and such, what would the difference in price be to build a basic gaming system instead (about 25% more expensive, really)? So even in the short run, gaming is less expensive on a PC, so long as you're not stupid about it.

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wow... why not just delete any bookmarks you have to this site and simply stop visiting, then?

 

[Arina Love]

i don't play pc because it don't have j-RPGs on it. that's my reason, simple. i don't care about graphics or mods. I just go where the most of my favourite game genres and games live. Now they live on consoles if some miraculous change will happen and j-RPGs will be on PC i will switch to pc in a jiffy.

 

[Jazoni89]

Consoles are not cheaper.
I've spent probably... $1200 total on PC parts for my setup near the beginning of this console generation, including my monitors, all 3 of them. It's not amazing, but it far exceeds the recommended specs for new games today even though the hardware that matters is a couple years old now.

My console gamer friend has purchased a Wii, when it was new. $250.
Purchased an extra Wiimote and nunchuck thing. About 40 bucks.
Purchased an Xbox 360 at launch. $400.
Purchased extra controllers. 50 bucks at the time I believe, so 100 bucks total.
Purchased a PS3, the 60gig backwards compatable one, at launch. $600.
Purchased extra controller. Again, about 50 bucks.

A couple years later, due to the power supply on the ps3 failing and it no longer being under warranty.
New Ps3, 40 gig version. $400.

That's already a total of 1840 dollars, over the course of the last generation alone.

I've bought for my PC: A new Motherboard, a quad core processor, and 16 gigs of ram, and a 750 watt powersuppy.
Cost of all those, about 350 dollars.
Bringing my total to about $1550.

If I include the TVs he had to purchase over the generation as well the cost would be nearing $2500 for the consoles.

That's in America, in England, Computer parts are so expensive, most people have to buy them overseas.

I know someone who went on a holiday to Canada, mainly to get a new processor, because it ended up cheaper to go on a holiday, and get the processor, then buying the processor in the UK.

 

[jason27131]

lol I'm not missing out on anything without playing J-RPGs. All the latest ones suck anyways (cough FF).

1 word why PC > Consoles: Minecraft.

GG sir. GG.

 

[Alade]

This is why I hate steam (yeah, I'm an idiot for saying that on this forum). It resurrected PC Gaming...

My main problem with PC gaming is the money cost, I can afford to upgrade my PC, but why bother when I can use that same money to buy games for my Xbox or PS?

Also, I still can't believe anyone is supporting the mouse and keyboard for gaming, PCs can use controllers, get on board while you still can. Sitting is extremely unhealthy, so for me the only way to properly game is lying on a couch with a controller in my hands, and I can't imagine any other way. To be fair, PC gamers can play like this too, but not if they use a keyboard+mouse.

 

[The Lawn]

Consoles are not cheaper.
I've spent probably... $1200 total on PC parts for my setup near the beginning of this console generation, including my monitors, all 3 of them. It's not amazing, but it far exceeds the recommended specs for new games today even though the hardware that matters is a couple years old now.

My console gamer friend has purchased a Wii, when it was new. $250.
Purchased an extra Wiimote and nunchuck thing. About 40 bucks.
Purchased an Xbox 360 at launch. $400.
Purchased extra controllers. 50 bucks at the time I believe, so 100 bucks total.
Purchased a PS3, the 60gig backwards compatable one, at launch. $600.
Purchased extra controller. Again, about 50 bucks.

A couple years later, due to the power supply on the ps3 failing and it no longer being under warranty.
New Ps3, 40 gig version. $400.

That's already a total of 1840 dollars, over the course of the last generation alone.

I've bought for my PC: A new Motherboard, a quad core processor, and 16 gigs of ram, and a 750 watt powersuppy.
Cost of all those, about 350 dollars.
Bringing my total to about $1550.

If I include the TVs he had to purchase over the generation as well the cost would be nearing $2500 for the consoles.

That's in America, in England, Computer parts are so expensive, most people have to buy them overseas.

I know someone who went on a holiday to Canada, mainly to get a new processor, because it ended up cheaper to go on a holiday, and get the processor, then buying the processor in the UK.

I forgot about that. I remember the last time I was over there the hardware seemed to be the same price but with a pound sign instead of a dollar one.
The games were cheaper though, I picked up 2 DS games for the same price as one over here.

 

[zehydra]

It's my opinion that creating an argument based on the arbitrary differences between the two is like starting an augment on whither Superman or Batman is better. Why does there need to be an argument? Why can't we just be happy with it. What drives such a silly feud? I don't understand this at all. On a side note, I appreciate your opinions and idea but starting any thread that attempts to discuss the issue always ends in tears, unfortunately.

What drives the feud now, is the issue of developers making the majority of their games for consoles, and leaving the PC gamers behind with a Console-port version of the game.

No. That's not true. I can guarantee its not true because there are arguments over the subject that revolve around other topics. I think the reason is more psychological and harder to grasp then a single issue. (This also only explains PC gamers hate, not console gamer hate).

an example?

 

[Deef]

Just so you know - Consoles are cheaper than upgrading your computer, yes. But when you upgrade your computer, it lasts for 4-5 years maybe. A console lasts 6 (as you said). And a console game is much cheaper than a PC one (plus you can pirate games as well) so by my calculations, the console is more expensive.

But as to the PC vs Consoles - It's all a matter of choice. Each system has it's up and downs, but I personally prefer the PC, although I grew up with a PS1.

I feel like something went wrong with your first paragraph, did you mean to say that a PC game is much cheaper than a console one (plus pirating)? It doesn't make sense otherwise.

 

[Rule Britannia]

Cross platform should only (if ever) occur between console. PS3 and Xbox.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

I completely agree with you except...

Just to point out, cross platform gaming will never be truly balanced because the precision of mouse and keyboard is too far ahead of controllers to keep it balanced.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking ninja's are good today.

 

[Slayer_2]

I love when my Xbox playing friends quote "you never need to upgrade, it lasts half a decade". One, my PC has remained the same for two years and still plays the newest games maxed out. Two, one of the guys who says this has gone through FIVE xbox's since their release due to RROD problems. He treats them like they're made of eggshells, yet they still break down almost yearly. Yeah, you don't need to upgrade, just buy a new replacement every year and you're good!

 

[Zipa]

This is why I hate steam (yeah, I'm an idiot for saying that on this forum). It resurrected PC Gaming...

My main problem with PC gaming is the money cost, I can afford to upgrade my PC, but why bother when I can use that same money to buy games for my Xbox or PS?

Also, I still can't believe anyone is supporting the mouse and keyboard for gaming, PCs can use controllers, get on board while you still can. Sitting is extremely unhealthy, so for me the only way to properly game is lying on a couch with a controller in my hands, and I can't imagine any other way. To be fair, PC gamers can play like this too, but not if they use a keyboard+mouse.

A lot of people still prefer the mouse and KB combo, especially for things like FPSs RTSs and MMOs. The level of accuracy and control and the amount of custom keys just can't be replicated with the controller. Remember most FPS games on console have to have some form of aim assist to compensate for the more difficult and less accurate aiming of a controller.

Each to their own though, use what you are comfortable with that really is the best thing to do.

 

[Gorilla Gunk]

The things that bug me about PC gamers the most is that:

1) A lot of them don't seem to understand that some people just can't afford a good gaming PC. "But you can BUILD a decent one for $500!" Yeah, that's $500 more then I can afford right now. Then they say I paid that much for my console and I point out that I bought mine used for less than $200 and pretty much live off of discount games but they rarely listen to that part.

2) Claim that somehow they're experience of a game is "purer" because it's on PC. I don't even know how to really respond to that. It's like those hipster types telling you they enjoy the same music you listen to more because they listen to it on a record-player or a vegan saying he's more intelligent then you because he eats nothing but soy.

3) Say FPS's DO NOT belong on consoles and that all developers should CEASE making console FPS's. Another popular saying that I have absolutely no idea how to respond to because it's so retarded sounding. I guess this has something to do with the whole mouse/keyboard thing, an issue I care nothing about. I really don't care that I can't shoot they eye out of a bumble bee from three cities away. I play to have fun.

 

[Jazoni89]

Consoles are not cheaper.
I've spent probably... $1200 total on PC parts for my setup near the beginning of this console generation, including my monitors, all 3 of them. It's not amazing, but it far exceeds the recommended specs for new games today even though the hardware that matters is a couple years old now.

My console gamer friend has purchased a Wii, when it was new. $250.
Purchased an extra Wiimote and nunchuck thing. About 40 bucks.
Purchased an Xbox 360 at launch. $400.
Purchased extra controllers. 50 bucks at the time I believe, so 100 bucks total.
Purchased a PS3, the 60gig backwards compatable one, at launch. $600.
Purchased extra controller. Again, about 50 bucks.

A couple years later, due to the power supply on the ps3 failing and it no longer being under warranty.
New Ps3, 40 gig version. $400.

That's already a total of 1840 dollars, over the course of the last generation alone.

I've bought for my PC: A new Motherboard, a quad core processor, and 16 gigs of ram, and a 750 watt powersuppy.
Cost of all those, about 350 dollars.
Bringing my total to about $1550.

If I include the TVs he had to purchase over the generation as well the cost would be nearing $2500 for the consoles.

That's in America, in England, Computer parts are so expensive, most people have to buy them overseas.

I know someone who went on a holiday to Canada, mainly to get a new processor, because it ended up cheaper to go on a holiday, and get the processor, then buying the processor in the UK.

I forgot about that. I remember the last time I was over there the hardware seemed to be the same price but with a pound sign instead of a dollar one.
The games were cheaper though, I picked up 2 DS games for the same price as one over here.

Yeah, we pay nearly double what you pay.

lol I'm not missing out on anything without playing J-RPGs. All the latest ones suck anyways (cough FF).

1 word why PC > Consoles: Minecraft.

GG sir. GG.

Oh, did you know...

Minecraft is coming out for the Xbox 360!

... I've always wanted to use this pic.