Check out my posts through my profile. I elaborated a lot. Many did not agree with me, but we agreed to disagree. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/posts/RationalizationKeepeas said:
PC Gaming is Cool And All... But...
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PC gaming has the potential to have the best gaming experience because it can emulate ANY console, or has the potential to.
The biggest things that I think console games have over PC gaming for the moment is cost. PC gaming is fucking expensive if you want a computer that will give you decent graphics with a decent frame rate compared to console gaming. Even a brand new generation console is cheaper than a gaming rig. And because these are cheaper than PCs, most AAA games are designed cross platform and are designed backwards(in my opinion), and you never see the true potential of what a PC can live up to. How many games require DX11? Not that many, how long has it been out? A while. Why XB360 uses DX9. Until the next generation of consoles comes out you wont see many games use the newer technology. It is how it is.
Also constant upgrading is a misconception. You don't need to constantly upgrade your PC. If you buy the right one the first time around, you really will only need to upgrade the GPU which again, if smart purchases are made doesn't cost bundles and bundles of money.
Some games are good with a controller, like platforms, fighting, racing, and some action games depending on the style. But for FPS, RTS, and any complex RPG, the keyboard and mouse is the best form of input.
The biggest things that I think console games have over PC gaming for the moment is cost. PC gaming is fucking expensive if you want a computer that will give you decent graphics with a decent frame rate compared to console gaming. Even a brand new generation console is cheaper than a gaming rig. And because these are cheaper than PCs, most AAA games are designed cross platform and are designed backwards(in my opinion), and you never see the true potential of what a PC can live up to. How many games require DX11? Not that many, how long has it been out? A while. Why XB360 uses DX9. Until the next generation of consoles comes out you wont see many games use the newer technology. It is how it is.
Also constant upgrading is a misconception. You don't need to constantly upgrade your PC. If you buy the right one the first time around, you really will only need to upgrade the GPU which again, if smart purchases are made doesn't cost bundles and bundles of money.
Some games are good with a controller, like platforms, fighting, racing, and some action games depending on the style. But for FPS, RTS, and any complex RPG, the keyboard and mouse is the best form of input.
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Rationalization said:
Ah, that's what you mean...the set-up time.
You certainly did explain yourself.
Sorry about your experience with Ubisoft and EA...those dicks make people do too much in order to play their game, I agree. They treat they're costumers like criminals and I think it's wrong.
I agree that it can take a while sometimes on PC.
But Console has it's moments too.
But most of my complains for both PC and console are either one-time per game set-up or occasional, but helpful, updates.
Those things being:
Sign-up
download*
install*
update*
etc.
* = important and necessary
Both PC and consoles have limitations, so giving you your game instantly is impossible.
Releases - Console - you said 30 min
PC - If you pre-loaded 5 - 45 min depending on game size
You know what I'm going to stop writing...I'm tired and...yeah
Bottom-line: I think both have essentially equivalent set-up times if you look at every aspect and weigh them accordingly. I know you probably won't agree because I didn't explain...but that's cool...wanna play a game sometime? message me if you do...I'm going to bed now...
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btw I like Ponies[small]...if you couldn't tell from my avatar[/small]
That is an atrocious build and at the wrong time. Geforce cards were SHIIIIT in the 7000 series and overpriced like hell, it's also gone for a premium CPU that has a 15% performance boost for 2x the costs. A lot would change in a short time.grumbel said:
There is no reason to rush off the upgrade in 2006 when 360 doesn't even have games that really push the system, it's still flooded with games limited by how they started development on 6th gen consoles, like Tomb Raider, Hitman, Just Cause, etc. Something like Prey on 360 doesn't actually beat PC performance when most graphics cards are benchmarking the game at 1600x1200 resolution, 360 was hitting low at 1280x720@30fps.
PC would only begin to feel the heat coming into the tail end of 2007 with the likes of Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, UT3, and Orange Box that delivered HDR Half Life + Episodes, Portal and of course Team Fortress 2.
Now it's obvious with hindsight, but it was clear even back then, you'd be an UTTER FOOL to try to play Team Fortress 2 on anything other than PC. Valve was completely hamstrung by the XBL marketplace while on PC for the next 4 years we were rewarded with a continuous stream of free updates.
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47055
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/246852-13-budget-gaming-8800-3870
PS: don't buy the $200 retail copy of Windows, get the OEM version for about $50. You are entitled to that as you are in fact building your own rig. And this is a reason to wait till 2007, for Vista. As much as people like to piss on it, it is in fact a better OS than XP, but most importantly DX10 and DX10 cards in 2007. Cards like the 8800GT, $250 in 2007 it still kicks arse today, lets see 8800GT running Batman: Arkham Asylum
And Assassin's Creed Brotherhood
I've been saying this for a while now, 8800GT is an absolute classic delivering a lot of lasting performance for what was a very competitive price and throughout this gen it has been slashed in price by greater % than the 360 (which took 3 years to go down by 25%), the 8800GT tech and other components went down to by 50% in just a year. The same hardware is $50 in 2011, 20% of it's original price.
Then there is quite how well the 8800GT performs in SLI dual-card configuration by dropping in another card once cheap enough, lets see that in action:
But the thing is you have to look at PC for what it is, rather than what it isn't. It's not just the gaming capability but so too the computing capability to run modern work and browsing apps. Also the freedom it offers, freedom from the console system's inflated game prices, fees, shutdowns and uncompetitive store models.
360 occasionally offers some of the media capability of a PC in a stripped down form after you pay $60/£40 fee every year, but the capability of PC platform is hard to comprehend, you'd struggle to hit the limits.
I'm sorry what? How can any MMO be better on a console? I could be totally wrong if you can name some but I don't know any.Fujor said:
The only genre I think is better on a console are platformers as the directional movement is better using a pad than a keyboard but you could just buy a pad for the PC (wired 360 controller) which is sorta cheating.
The days where consoles have been single purpose devices are gone for at least 10 years. Todays console can play BluRay, DVD and Netflix, you can use it for video chat, web browsing and a whole bunch of other non-gaming stuff. That's not to say they aren't at risk, but the risk aren't bulky noisy PCs, that needs upgrades, are fragile and just plain suck as living-room entertainment devices, it's stuff like AppleTV. Things that are tiny, silent and just work. AppleTV isn't yet popular enough to replace a console and some console like the Xbox360 still miss essential stuff like Internet access, so we have to wait and see what the future brings. But you can be pretty damn sure that it won't be PCs as we know them today, as whatever devices we will get in the future, you can be pretty sure that it will be locked tightly with DRM to disallow any user access. So say goodbye to custom drivers, hacks, mods and all that other stuff that made the PC interesting in the first place.TEMHOTA said:
Also the fun part with all of this, as always, even assume the PC will become back and be successful, who exactly do you think will build the "living room" OS for it? Microsoft? Do you really think that they will kill of their Xbox brand? If their support for gaming on Windows is any indication, they really don't seem to give a fuck, as everything they have done for PC gaming in the last decade has been rather unimpressive.
But if PC gamers were going to be forced to do everything the same way as everybody else like console gamers, wouldn't we be seeing signs of it? And no, Activision keeping us from modding their shitty little shooter isn't a real indication for the future.grumbel said:
PC is a superior media device to ANY console. They can go up to much higher resolutions, have higher audio quality, could potentially sound quieter with a silent case, and can look a lot better, too. I don't care if some consumers want to settle for an inferior experience, I certainly won't.
And hacks, mods, etc. aren't all that make the PC interesting. Ability to render games in any given resolution, customization of the entire OS, graphics card control panel, being able to immediately make use of any new technologies without having to wait an entire console gen, ability to go up to frame rates higher than 60 (in most cases, all you have to beat is 30), etc.
Because I thought people would be mature enough to discuss this without flaming each other.lockecole21 said:
I've been busy this week, so I haven't had time to look at this thread, but it looks like it either A.) Turned into a big ol' flame war.
Or:
B.) People have actually managed to discuss something without flaming each other.
I'm hoping for 'B', personally.
Not exactly but sort of. Its the time it takes for a new generation (usually defined by the size of the transistor) of transistor/switch to become available for microprocessor manufacture rather than, say, changes in chip architecture... so, for example, going from 45nm to 32nm switches is a tech cycle change whereas going from single core to multicore architecture wasn't (although changes in architecture are almost always done in concert with new tech cycles).Ultratwinkie said:
Meh... if I was playing a lot of racing games competitively on my PC I'd invest in a wheel and pedals.zuro64 said: