Penn Jillette Speaks Out on RapeLay

[Ignignoct]

So what I've gathered from this thread from the trolls:

"Rapists should kill women after they're raped, because if they live they're consumed by shame."

Sounds awfully old-skool Islamic, don't it? Honor-killings and whatnot.

 

[ADDLibrarian]

So what I've gathered from this thread from the trolls:

"Rapists should kill women after they're raped, because if they live they're consumed by shame."

Sounds awfully old-skool Islamic, don't it? Honor-killings and whatnot.

Actually, I believe most rapists do kill their victims after the act, if only to keep them from going to the police.
Plus, I've known a gal who was raped when she was younger, and although she turned out ok, she's told me that the psychological trauma is enough to want to wish you were dead.

 

[Ignignoct]

So what I've gathered from this thread from the trolls:

"Rapists should kill women after they're raped, because if they live they're consumed by shame."

Sounds awfully old-skool Islamic, don't it? Honor-killings and whatnot.

Actually, I believe most rapists do kill their victims after the act, if only to keep them from going to the police.
Plus, I've known a gal who was raped when she was younger, and although she turned out ok, she's told me that the psychological trauma is enough to want to wish you were dead.

AWESOME!

The implications of your post being correct are hilariously dark and unrealistic!

You know the majority of rapes go unreported. A woman can choose to not tell anyone, which is often the case, but a corpse or a missing person is NEVER* ignored.

Only in a barbaric, backwards society would a family wish death on their daughter/sister/mother for being raped.

*Don't split hairs. It's unbecoming.

 

[WrongSprite]

This is what I've said all along. You people act all shocked about a rape game, shortly after killing a few hundred people.

 

[Jumplion]

So what I've gathered from this thread from the trolls:

"Rapists should kill women after they're raped, because if they live they're consumed by shame."

Sounds awfully old-skool Islamic, don't it? Honor-killings and whatnot.

Actually, I believe most rapists do kill their victims after the act, if only to keep them from going to the police.
Plus, I've known a gal who was raped when she was younger, and although she turned out ok, she's told me that the psychological trauma is enough to want to wish you were dead.

AWESOME!

The implications of your post being correct are hilariously dark and unrealistic!

You know the majority of rapes go unreported. A woman can choose to not tell anyone, which is often the case, but a corpse or a missing person is NEVER* ignored.

Only in a barbaric, backwards society would a family wish death on their daughter/sister/mother for being raped.

*Don't split hairs. It's unbecoming.

Not the family wanting the death, the person who was raped to want death on themselves. Re-read his post again.

 

[Deusoma]

While I normally think Penn Jillette is a shithead, I actually find myself agreeing with some of this. Good on him.

 

[AveryR]

i actually played and watched it, rather unimpressed really. my opinion of the game is meh, ive seen worse things in hentai's to be honest. if people are so easily influenced by games they have no business playing them, btw i have yet to hear a case about where games were the real catalyst for a crime where the person was in their teens or older, if you know of some link me please, and ima side with penn on this one, deeply against all censorship. and on a personal opinion games dont make rapists, bad parenting and brain chemistry does. im sleepy and this prolly makes little to no sense so bleh >_>

 

[cabalistics]

I only heard of this game recently so I looked it up. It came out in 2006 and so far I haven't heard about the army of Japanese rapists roaming the country. I'm not really in favour of banning things people who claim they're more moral than me would want to ban 20 minutes on Encyclopedia Dramatica would probably wield more objectionable material that an hour playing this game.

Also am I the only one who thinks that a lot of people after hearing about this fired up their torrents thus spreading it far more in the west than one copy accidentally put up for sale on Amazon

 

[Kogarian]

He's right about murder being normalized. No one even shrugs at murder scenes in movies/games.

Murder is a worse crime than rape, after all.

This.

 

[AveryR]

I only heard of this game recently so I looked it up. It came out in 2006 and so far I haven't heard about the army of Japanese rapists roaming the country. I'm not really in favour of banning things people who claim they're more moral than me would want to ban 20 minutes on Encyclopedia Dramatica would probably wield more objectionable material that an hour playing this game.

Also am I the only one who thinks that a lot of people after hearing about this fired up their torrents thus spreading it far more in the west than one copy accidentally put up for sale on Amazon

id be willing to bet at least 25% of people that have heard of it have fired up a torrent, and id say at most about 50% have

 

[manaman]

So glad Penn had the courage to speak out against this mindless censorship.

For those against the game: I hope you do understand that creepy games like that keep even creepier people INDOORS playing a game. I'd rather have people playing a game about rape than raping. Some people also have fetishes and they are often involuntary. A rape fetishist (not a rapist but someone merely turned on by the concept) may be distasteful and disgusting but they have the right to their fetishes so long as they don't enact them in reality. Some have even classified fetishes as mental illness or disabilities. To take away a legal and safe vent for their sick desires is to discriminate against those whom may not have chosen what turns them on and thus have to endure punishment for something they did not choose and be attacked for actions they did not commit.

If you find it personally disgusting- keep it out of your life but don't take away from society- you don't have the right any more than those who want it to stay do. Grow up.

The game itself I feel I cannot actually weigh in on. A very close friend of mine was raped when we where in junior high, she was never the same again.

It destroyed her, she never fully trusted anyone again, especially men, even me.

That said your post was naive to an extreme. Games do not keep people from performing actions as much as they do not cause them to do them. Desensitization on the other hand is a fact, and is observable. The issue here is a misunderstanding of sexual perversion (what makes someone want to watch a rape scene) and a sexual predator (the person that wants to rape). They do what they do for different reasons.

One has a mental problem, they can only find sexual release through things exciting and daring to them. They start to seek more and more odd things as they continue to become desensitized to what they previously found appealing. It grows dull and they need to move onto something else that is more exciting and new. Next thing you know they are watching midgets wrestling nude in a pool of baby oil. They maybe creepy and disgusting as they get worse and worse, but these people are not criminals. They merely have issues with sex, just as some battle depression, and some have issues from neglectful parents.

The other has a mental problem as well, but there issues steam from control and domination. They seek to violate someone in what the person considers their most intimate moment, they want to make this person into nothing before them and feed on the power it makes them feel they have. It is stick, disgusting, and probably the most horrible thing you can ever do to a person. Some would add "aside from killing them" to the end of the last sentence, I would not. Rape can destroy a person, then leave them around to suffer with that for the rest of their life, often until they finally kill themselves.

Even hating the idea and the subject of the game as much as I do, I still cannot, without lying, say the game should be banned. For the reasons mentioned above about perversion, because of free speech, and I have often said that people should not be allowed to violate someone else's rights because something offends them. There is no victim there is no crime, and a character in a game is not a victim.

Edit: fixed some typo's and some confusing choices of words.

 

[Ignignoct]

So what I've gathered from this thread from the trolls:

"Rapists should kill women after they're raped, because if they live they're consumed by shame."

Sounds awfully old-skool Islamic, don't it? Honor-killings and whatnot.

Actually, I believe most rapists do kill their victims after the act, if only to keep them from going to the police.
Plus, I've known a gal who was raped when she was younger, and although she turned out ok, she's told me that the psychological trauma is enough to want to wish you were dead.

AWESOME!

The implications of your post being correct are hilariously dark and unrealistic!

You know the majority of rapes go unreported. A woman can choose to not tell anyone, which is often the case, but a corpse or a missing person is NEVER* ignored.

Only in a barbaric, backwards society would a family wish death on their daughter/sister/mother for being raped.

*Don't split hairs. It's unbecoming.

Not the family wanting the death, the person who was raped to want death on themselves. Re-read his post again.

Yeah, got that.

Family thing's a sidenote.

To surmise:

- Most rapes go unreported. Therefore, Rapists more often then not leave their victims alive. This is a better end result than one's life being cut short completely.

- Yeah, the trauma made her want to die, but so does losing a child or close family member sometimes. It is a GOOD thing that the depression/trauma CAN BE overcome rather than the woman killing herself, even if there's a chance that'll never happen.

TL;DR Murder is worse than rape.

 

[Jumplion]

Video games, no matter how realistic, immersive, interactive, or addictive, are not the cause or source of any problems. They may be the trigger, but so could anything be. And if anything and everything can be a trigger, you can't pin all the blame on one thing and ban it, and truly expect anything to be solved.

Which is what I was saying for most of this. Video Games are never going to be the one true source of the craziness, but that doesn't mean that it had some effect on the person and it's silly to disregard the possibility of it occuring.

So, we are at agreement. Hallelujah!

 

[ProfessorLayton]

I agree with Penn 100% like I do a lot of the time. He's very intelligent and I think that he makes perfect sense on this one.

 

[Kholdgrave]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Thomas Hobbes once say that the only thing that connects us all is the fear of a violent death? You can recover from rape but once you die.....that's it. Killing pixels is one thing but robbing a person of life is a whole different thing.

Thing about murder? It's the worst crime because there are MANY reasons it can be done. War,Politics,Money,Food,Hate,Boredom,Religious beliefs.

Rape is horrific but murder is a crime that no one can really comprehend on a deep level unless someone they know is murdered. Murder is repaid with murder in a vicious cycle of death and macabre horror that will inevitably destroy the human race.

 

[Jennacide]

What on earth makes you think this is knee-jerk?

The fact this game was out for over five years without anyone caring when it first came out. It has been sold to American's for just as long. And now, suddenly, our country is trying to decide policy for another country?

Yeah, because that's alright. Wait, no it's not. It's the biggest issue wrong with our country right now. And if you were any sort of real gaming advocate, you would not be supporting the belief it normalizes these acts. If that were true, then Gears of War normalizes hacking people in half with a chainsaw. No game is responsible for people's behavior, to believe otherwise is foolish and ignorant. People are responsible for themselves, and the only factor that may play in is how they were raised. Another issue that is so very wrong in the modern world. Parents that screw up would rather push it off on other influences than own up to it. My brother and I both grew up with games like Diablo, Mortal Kombat, etc. Are we violent weirdos? No, because our parents did us right, and we're as normal as anyone can be.

 

[Raptorace18]

Well there is a difference in the impact of killing and rape in media like games and movies. I can deal with watching people die in movies. Put me in front of eye for an eye and watch the traumatizing begin.