This was a really bad move on the poster's part. If you don't want these things to happen don't post it on the internet. That's not only common sense, but Troll Avoidance 101.
People disgust me sometimes
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Clearly, some of the people here saying things like "people who committed suicide don't deserve a memorial" have never been suicidal. People don't think rationally when they're like that, they can't really help it. It's a horrible tragedy.
Anyway, yeah, society is crap, just another daily reminder of that...
Anyway, yeah, society is crap, just another daily reminder of that...
I have to agree with a few people here.
Posting it up on Facebook, the place where muppets congregate, was just asking for it.
Yeah it's a shame it happens but it is the internet and we all know what it's like and what happens.
Keep things like that off the internet, especially off Facebook.
Can't say it surprises or saddens me. I've seen what people on the internet can do but i've seen worse during my time in the military.
I'm also firmly against suicide so probably not the most sympathetic in this case.
Posting it up on Facebook, the place where muppets congregate, was just asking for it.
Yeah it's a shame it happens but it is the internet and we all know what it's like and what happens.
Keep things like that off the internet, especially off Facebook.
Can't say it surprises or saddens me. I've seen what people on the internet can do but i've seen worse during my time in the military.
I'm also firmly against suicide so probably not the most sympathetic in this case.
Some people aren't that good adjusted to this harsh and unjust reality we live in. Sure, laughs over death may seem cruel and stuff, but i guess it's just part of self defence mechanism kicking in.Jzolr0708 said:
I wouldn't pay attention... and that brings me to one question : what were you doing ion 4chan in first place ? It has it's reputation for a reason, you know.
What, you want me to get banned because I couldn't help but chuckle a bit?Sandor [The Hound said:
The only difference between the internet and real life is that all the bad jokes are just alittle bit louder on the internet.
And, to honest, people are going to be dicks regardless because that's human nature, BEING A DICK.
And, to honest, people are going to be dicks regardless because that's human nature, BEING A DICK.
What can be said? Pathetic trolls have nothing better to do so they troll, maybe they hate themselves and lash out so they feel better, maybe they're ignored and unloved and throw a tantrum to get some precious attention, maybe they play the whole "look at me I'm so bitter and cynical, people are shit herp derp" thing to... I don't actually now why people do that, bit daft really. Maybe they're just straight up scum. This is the internet after all, there are plenty of the above stated examples in this thread alone.
Just don't give them the attention they crave, they aren't worth the effort of typing out a response to them.
Just don't give them the attention they crave, they aren't worth the effort of typing out a response to them.
Probably because it's so easy.ravensheart18 said:
I generally don't feel sympathetic for people that commit suicide, not because "ZOMG UR SO WEAK LOLOLOLOL", but because ultimately if they were miserable enough to make the decision to kill themselves, then it was literally more painful to be alive than to die. So you should be happy for them.
It's also why I don't really get memorials about it, because if I killed myself (and I've considered it numerous times) I'd want people to respect my decision, not call it a tragedy and lament over it. If you want to celebrate how rad I was, go for it, but don't funk up my liberation with your misery, be happy for me.
That said, regardless of your stance on suicide or whatnot, it's common decency not to take shots at emotionally-charged situations like this. Whether you think the emotions are warranted or not, if you felt so strongly upset or angry about something, I doubt you'd want someone being a douche over it.
An individual, if alone, can be a smart, caring and witty person. A mob is a collection of minds reduced to pure derpiness, as the most derpy of all the derps in the group usually wins the status of mob leader.
Seeing as you can pretty much equate the 'net to one big formless mob where everyone's screaming at the same time... Yeah. I think you can see where I'm going with this.
If someone gets it through their thick skull that trolling a dead girl's memorial page is a good idea, then other thick skulls will flock in droves.
It's like "If you build it, they will come", from Field of Dreams, just running on sheer cruelty and callousness, instead. It's best to accept it, move on, and vow to never trust a social networking site for something serious and dignified like a memorial ever again.
Seeing as you can pretty much equate the 'net to one big formless mob where everyone's screaming at the same time... Yeah. I think you can see where I'm going with this.
If someone gets it through their thick skull that trolling a dead girl's memorial page is a good idea, then other thick skulls will flock in droves.It's like "If you build it, they will come", from Field of Dreams, just running on sheer cruelty and callousness, instead. It's best to accept it, move on, and vow to never trust a social networking site for something serious and dignified like a memorial ever again.
This is pretty much my opinion.Chefodeath said:
Apparently everyone is sweet and lovely and caring and intelligent and friendly and the best possible human being on the planet that has existed or will ever exist when they die.
The words lose all meaning.
Also, I always find it funny how the "loving friends and family" never seem to notice that something is wrong. Assuming that it wasn't just spontaneous act out of nowhere (and most likely, it wasn't), if you love someone, you'll know when something is wrong. If you don't then you don't really know the person and if you do and ignore the signs or dismiss them as "bad mood" or "silly behavior" then you have no right to complain that someone criticizes you for suddenly "loving and caring" about that person.Chefodeath said:
When I was 11 or 12 (can't quite remember the year, it was so long ago), My sister got together with this guy. His parents just abandoned him when he was a little kid, his grandma was taking care of him (but she was kind of a ***** about it). Needless to say, he was (to put it lightly) a troubled individual, hanging out with the "wrong" crowd, doing the "wrong" things etc. He was so happy that he managed to find a person who loved him. I remember my family (not all of it but a significant part) kept looking down on him and talk shit behind his back, often in my sister's presence.
Things got worse when she got pregnant. Then they really began to shit talk, about him as well as about her.
A few months later, everyone was STUNNED to find out that he hanged himself. They simply couldn't figure out why. After all, he was such a nice young boy with a bright future and loving people around him.
Back then, I was on my family's side because they kept feeding me this crap so much but when I look back on it, they were really despicable people.
Some of them died within the last few years and somehow I just couldn't shed a single tear at their funerals, even though they were an important part of my childhood.
That example might have been a little extreme but you get the idea (and if you don't then I'm sorry to say this but FUCK YOU!!!).
On the bright side, it's the last selfish act they'll ever do!ravensheart18 said:
Valid points. I agree that a good chunk of people who feel the need to make their voice heard about a "beloved" deceased person are just interested in their own image, or worse, attention for themselves. It's all the more annoying, because the people who may actually have had a valid connection or may legitimately feel the loss are drowned out by the melodrama.
I agree with this guy. This was what I was trying to say earlier when some gentleman wanted me to be banned for it. Suicide is selfish.ravensheart18 said:
And as for your last point, it's very similar to what happened when Michael Jackson died. Suddenly, he was this awesome person and everyone wanted to show how sad they were that he died, regardless of what they thought of him while he was alive. These memorials are the same way
As selfish as suicide may be I think the real issue is the fact that people can ridicule the dead, and not give a shit. Sure it might be hypocritical to suddenly act like you geniunely knew the person and this loss hurts you just as much as it hurts actual friends and family. HOWEVER. There is a HUGE difference between ridicule and ignoring. If you don't care, then just leave em be. Why in the world would you go out of your way to ridicule the dead without even knowing them at all.MysticToast said:
The point of the pages isn't to celebrate the fact that they committed suicide, it's a memorial to the life they did have, and a support center for the family of the victim. And yes, they are a victim.ravensheart18 said:
For someone who claims to have attempted suicide in the past, I find your candor to be very cavalier and black and white regarding the nature of the act itself. You think that you, who suffered from some degree of depression or anxiety so very strong that you saw no other options but to end your life, would have a higher understanding, even (Dare I say) sympathy for those who weren't as strong to carry on, or were actually successful.
While I don't disagree that suicide is an ultimately selfish act, it's also a desperate one.
It's a final solution to a problem that most of us would recognize has many solutions.
And while people who didn't give the person the time of day in life might mourn in their death, isn't that a risk we ALL take? How many people have we met who had closed loved ones pass away, and they all said 'I wish I spent more time with them'? I said the same thing about my grandfather, and I loved him dearly.
The lack of empathy in this thread is either a mask of internet tough-guy syndrome, pseudo apathy (Because it's cool to not give a shit), or just plain and simple social dysfunction. And that last one isn't one to wear like a badge of honour. It's sad.
The people who trolled this person's memorial, or anyone else's, should be ashamed.
Their insecurity and social inabilities aren't an excuse to further worsen an already tragic situation.
You can't honestly believe that to be true.ravensheart18 said:
Think back to when YOU were depressed to the point of trying to take your own life. Do you honestly think that someone saying 'You're really really selfish for thinking about suicide' would have stopped you from trying?
People like that need support and counselling, of course they do. But not a heavy-handed 'You're selfish' remark. That won't do anything. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that others seeing how devastated people are at the loss of their loved ones would be more moving to them in terms of having them rethink their actions. Letting them see that they aren't just hurting themselves, but those around them as well.
You yourself just said 'I have the sanity NOW', meaning you didn't have it before. And I'd be willing to bet that a heavy handed 'snap out of it, you selfish jerk' response wouldn't have went over well with you during that time. And had you succeeded, I'm MORE then willing to bet such a response to your loved ones wouldn't have gone over well either.
My thinking suicide is selfish doesn't change my response to those who need help from that type of thinking, or my response to those who weren't strong enough to resist it, or who didn't think they were worth it to seek help.
Finally I didn't suggest (or didn't mean to, at least) that you agreed with the trollers.
At that point I was addressing the thread in it's entirety, and the general lack of empathy.
people universally suck. Im sorry that they did that, its a shame they ruined something like that.