Pocket God Accused of Racism
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To be honest though... don't black people deserve to be a bit racist? I mean, we enslaved them, demeaned them and didn't let them sit down on buses. I wouldn't mind if a random black guy came out of nowhere and said "Hey cracker, can I kick your ass for kicks?". I'd be like "Sure, do you want me to struggle, or should I just stand still?"Skrapt said:
Oh yes. More on-topic... it's not a racist game. Of course it's not. Pah.
I love your logic. If nobody invented the word racist, there would be no racism.DestroytheTyrant said:
Now, if I would have been playing this game, the last thing I would have seen would be blatant racial discrimination. If anything it's more racist of the people who claim to be defending it.
Damn it, Malygris, beat me to it.Malygris said:
Black and White? Never mind Black and White, don't show them Populous! Several years ago, Populous came out with the same basic design, and no-one batted an eyelid. Now, due to the fact that EVERYONE wants more than their fair share of equality (eg re-writing hymns so that they're gender-neutral, complaining about your nationality being in a game, arguing that scientific theory shouldn't be taught instead of religious ideas, etc), we get little groups representing someone's best interests, for the most part consisting of people who are NO LONGER a member of that group, or are on the fringes.WNxSajuukCor said:
Sometimes, I really hate being so cynical. Other times, I hate that I'm not cynical enough.
The problem is that we have created an enviroment where racial outcry is a quick way to get media attention, even after the election of a black president (leader of the free world) has proven racism dead as a mainstream phenomena. Aside from a few guys hiding under the beds with pillow cases accross their faces, the only racists are boogiemen created for media attention and political expediency because everyone wants a bad guy to fight.
Honestly I am thinking that some "racist" laws need to be put into place specifically to yank the platform out from under politically correct rabble rousers. Basiclly extending standards of what is racially inflammatory to include attempts to garner attention by implying or claiming racism where none clearly exists. With the way things are now, and
the way society has changed I see no real reason to prevent people from making public accusations against things like "Resident Evil 5" or "Pocket God" without a pretty strict burden of proof before the themselves can become victims of EZ and financially crippling lawsuits (which is fairly impractical nowadays). Once upon a time a racist majority would have made this impractical, but now with a black president (who could not be elected without mainstream support) it's time to look at doing the hard part and restoring true equity both legally and socially rather than allowing this kind of thing to go on.
I mean the whole accusation that a white hero shooting natives out of a national geographic article "conjures powerful imagery" (along with other justifications for the RE 5 rants) is one of the most lulzworthy things I ever read. Heck, even in the "dark days of slavery" that isn't how things worked. White guys did not go hunting black people with guns, rather they simply sailed up to various ports and traded goods and money for slaves with various black peoples or arabs. A dude doing the triangle slave run didn't have the time, or the manpower to waste, running aroung tying to kidnap people. Sure there were some wars and attempts to conquer/hold the area, and while white guys dominated for a while that definatly went both ways, and the last remnant of that sort of fell with South Africa a while ago (and honestly, the ironic thing being that they probably would have been better off if the "racist white elite" continued running it as a colony, since Mandela and his wife are arguably bigger freaks than the people they replaced. I think his wife's deathsquads were basically setting new records for sadistic warlords all 'round the world).
For Pocket God to be racist, you'd basically have to be saying that islanders never worshipped vengeful gods, or dressed in that fashion. As far as the hubris of taking on a vengeful island god, well honestly we're pretty impartial there. God Sims have been around for a while. I mean not only "Black And White" but we also had things like "Sim Afterlife", "Populous", and other games with a god-like perspective like Age Of Mythology. Not to mention "Master Of Magic" where you might as well have been a god.
I more or less have terrorized "Mexicans" (and been terrorized by them). In Master Of Magic there is an Aztec-type guy called Tlaloc who is one of the nastier pre-made characters due to his "Warlord" advantage that lets him increase the power of all of his armies. He also likes to use magic like "Dark Rituals" to mass sacrifice his population, reducing the overall growth, but resulting in more personal mana. Obvious there were racial overtones when you had "High Men" fighting "Nomads" and "Barbarians", and what is with those "Dark Elves" anyway.
I guess my point is that opinions like this should get gagged long before published, especially when someone is obviously ignorant of the subject matter as a whole. Or rather would sit down and try and argue that gaming has been institutionally racist or bigoted because of all the previous games. This digging to find reasons to go after mainstream gaming of course totally overlooking the video game outings of guys like "Fifty Cent".
See honestly I don't think "Fify Cent" had produced games that are overtly racist in an anti-white sense (key word here overtly). However with things like "Blood In The Sand" he has pretty much done everything that games like the cancelled "Six Days In Fallujah" were contreverisial for while remaining beyond criticism.
I get irritated by the dual standards. Not so much because of reverse racism (minorities picking on the presumably white majority onr way or another) but because I find it utterly ridiculous that a Black Guy can be shown to do things without any criticism that a white guy would get reamed for. Like for example going down to The Middle East and kicking butt on Arabs. Why is it not wrong for him (a civilian, albeit a heavily armed one in the game) to do it purely for money, yet it is wrong for a (presumably white) military guy operating to avenge his nation, under legitimate orders to do the same thing.
Had Six Days in Fallujah instead been like "Def Jam Icon II: Six Days In Fallujah" with the same basic premise except with your favorite Rap and Hip Hop personalities operating as private military contractors, looting the countryside (and taxpayer coffers) to increase their personal bling and pimp out their $250,000 air conditioned Combat Hummers with gold rims, spinners, and mink curtains in the windows... would it have gotten the same reaction?
If "Pocket God" involved you being a vengeful voodoo Loa in say New Orleans out to instill proper fear in respect in the predominantly white population, would it have been an issue?
If you were a vengeful native American god in a "what if" scenario leading his people to fight off the white colonists (ignoring all of the inconveinent stuff about the French and Indian War and how all this actually got started), would anyone care?
All things to consider.
Truthfully I'd like to see a video game producer like the one that did "Stalin Vs. The Martians" create the most intentionally offensive game possible, full of rape, sadism, racism, bigotry, and whatever else they can toss in, but make the hero a member of any one of a number of "persecuted" minorities and the victims more or less peaceful American Whites (like say the equivilent of Pocket God's tribals) and other minorities aside from the one of the protaganist. No pretensions of any justification even as far as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
I'm enough of a strange bird where I'd play it and probably enjoy it. But moatly I'd want to see it done specifically to see how the media reacts.
One of those questions I've long pondered, along with whether Manhunt 2 would have been censored the way it was if the game was identical to the uncensored version but instead released as a "Fifty Cent" game with his name, image, and support behind it. Nothing really "racist" in Manhunt (it's just sick in a general sense) but you know, I'm thinking of that "oomph" that comes from having a big name minority sponsor, that seems to render a lot of things beyond the criticism they would otherwise have received. Or at least limiting developments to criticism as opposed to actual action.
Well enough rambling.
>>>----Therumancer--->
Honestly I am thinking that some "racist" laws need to be put into place specifically to yank the platform out from under politically correct rabble rousers. Basiclly extending standards of what is racially inflammatory to include attempts to garner attention by implying or claiming racism where none clearly exists. With the way things are now, and
the way society has changed I see no real reason to prevent people from making public accusations against things like "Resident Evil 5" or "Pocket God" without a pretty strict burden of proof before the themselves can become victims of EZ and financially crippling lawsuits (which is fairly impractical nowadays). Once upon a time a racist majority would have made this impractical, but now with a black president (who could not be elected without mainstream support) it's time to look at doing the hard part and restoring true equity both legally and socially rather than allowing this kind of thing to go on.
I mean the whole accusation that a white hero shooting natives out of a national geographic article "conjures powerful imagery" (along with other justifications for the RE 5 rants) is one of the most lulzworthy things I ever read. Heck, even in the "dark days of slavery" that isn't how things worked. White guys did not go hunting black people with guns, rather they simply sailed up to various ports and traded goods and money for slaves with various black peoples or arabs. A dude doing the triangle slave run didn't have the time, or the manpower to waste, running aroung tying to kidnap people. Sure there were some wars and attempts to conquer/hold the area, and while white guys dominated for a while that definatly went both ways, and the last remnant of that sort of fell with South Africa a while ago (and honestly, the ironic thing being that they probably would have been better off if the "racist white elite" continued running it as a colony, since Mandela and his wife are arguably bigger freaks than the people they replaced. I think his wife's deathsquads were basically setting new records for sadistic warlords all 'round the world).
For Pocket God to be racist, you'd basically have to be saying that islanders never worshipped vengeful gods, or dressed in that fashion. As far as the hubris of taking on a vengeful island god, well honestly we're pretty impartial there. God Sims have been around for a while. I mean not only "Black And White" but we also had things like "Sim Afterlife", "Populous", and other games with a god-like perspective like Age Of Mythology. Not to mention "Master Of Magic" where you might as well have been a god.
I more or less have terrorized "Mexicans" (and been terrorized by them). In Master Of Magic there is an Aztec-type guy called Tlaloc who is one of the nastier pre-made characters due to his "Warlord" advantage that lets him increase the power of all of his armies. He also likes to use magic like "Dark Rituals" to mass sacrifice his population, reducing the overall growth, but resulting in more personal mana. Obvious there were racial overtones when you had "High Men" fighting "Nomads" and "Barbarians", and what is with those "Dark Elves" anyway.
I guess my point is that opinions like this should get gagged long before published, especially when someone is obviously ignorant of the subject matter as a whole. Or rather would sit down and try and argue that gaming has been institutionally racist or bigoted because of all the previous games. This digging to find reasons to go after mainstream gaming of course totally overlooking the video game outings of guys like "Fifty Cent".
See honestly I don't think "Fify Cent" had produced games that are overtly racist in an anti-white sense (key word here overtly). However with things like "Blood In The Sand" he has pretty much done everything that games like the cancelled "Six Days In Fallujah" were contreverisial for while remaining beyond criticism.
I get irritated by the dual standards. Not so much because of reverse racism (minorities picking on the presumably white majority onr way or another) but because I find it utterly ridiculous that a Black Guy can be shown to do things without any criticism that a white guy would get reamed for. Like for example going down to The Middle East and kicking butt on Arabs. Why is it not wrong for him (a civilian, albeit a heavily armed one in the game) to do it purely for money, yet it is wrong for a (presumably white) military guy operating to avenge his nation, under legitimate orders to do the same thing.
Had Six Days in Fallujah instead been like "Def Jam Icon II: Six Days In Fallujah" with the same basic premise except with your favorite Rap and Hip Hop personalities operating as private military contractors, looting the countryside (and taxpayer coffers) to increase their personal bling and pimp out their $250,000 air conditioned Combat Hummers with gold rims, spinners, and mink curtains in the windows... would it have gotten the same reaction?
If "Pocket God" involved you being a vengeful voodoo Loa in say New Orleans out to instill proper fear in respect in the predominantly white population, would it have been an issue?
If you were a vengeful native American god in a "what if" scenario leading his people to fight off the white colonists (ignoring all of the inconveinent stuff about the French and Indian War and how all this actually got started), would anyone care?
All things to consider.
Truthfully I'd like to see a video game producer like the one that did "Stalin Vs. The Martians" create the most intentionally offensive game possible, full of rape, sadism, racism, bigotry, and whatever else they can toss in, but make the hero a member of any one of a number of "persecuted" minorities and the victims more or less peaceful American Whites (like say the equivilent of Pocket God's tribals) and other minorities aside from the one of the protaganist. No pretensions of any justification even as far as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
I'm enough of a strange bird where I'd play it and probably enjoy it. But moatly I'd want to see it done specifically to see how the media reacts.
One of those questions I've long pondered, along with whether Manhunt 2 would have been censored the way it was if the game was identical to the uncensored version but instead released as a "Fifty Cent" game with his name, image, and support behind it. Nothing really "racist" in Manhunt (it's just sick in a general sense) but you know, I'm thinking of that "oomph" that comes from having a big name minority sponsor, that seems to render a lot of things beyond the criticism they would otherwise have received. Or at least limiting developments to criticism as opposed to actual action.
Well enough rambling.
>>>----Therumancer--->
Please. I'm saying the legitimacy of the argument has been refuted time and again. 'Reverse racism' is about the weakest play in the 'legitimizing my deeply held racist beliefs' playbook.Ajna said:
http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml
ahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaTherumancer said:
make them purple people with jeans and a sweater and people will still be offended, but it will be a lot more fun to play =D
That link you gave me? The one which attempts to assail me with a wall of text that is obviously not worth my time, yet I gave it anyway?heintzer said:
It makes you sound like a moron. Saying that racism towards whites is not as serious as racism towards other races is proving my thrice-damned point. That link tells the story of a group of students laughing when racial slurs against whites are used. Showing that racism towards whites is tolerated.
Walls of text only work when they support your side.
My thought every time I see these types of stories. I don't see how people see an interactive game to mess with islanders and think "Hey, this must be a game where all the racists in the world get together and just degrade our race for hours on end."Skrapt said: