Pocket God Accused of Racism
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And you base this on.......?heintzer said:
Oh that's right. Absolutely fucking nothing. Seriously, your argument has no justification. Just because people were openly racist against black people at one time that doesn't mean they are more important than any other race. Racism against them is the same as racism against a white person. Or racism against any race.
The idea that racism against black people is worse than racism against white people is racist.
If there were no black people, some crowds would be all "Wow, why aren't black people in here?! What, we aren't good enough for your games?!?"Baby Tea said:
People will complain about any and every game ever created as long as there are still Creative Pessimistic Critics, looking to tear down a game in any game possible whether it be possible racism accusations, bad graphics, stupid dialogue, bad story, game with many fanboys, ect.., roaming the Earth!
Actually it does constitute racism, such behavior is still wrong. What's more it encourages behavior back in retaliation that is in reponse to what happened rather than having stemmed from any racial issue to begin with.heintzer said:
Affirmitive action is one such example, discriminating in favor of the minority is still discrimination and it perpetuates the problem because you wind up with guys hating minorities for political and social reasons that have nothing to do with believing in their inherant inferiority.
Allowing reverse racism simply perpetuates the problem. Perhaps "Reverse Racism" is a weak arguement (as you pointed out) but it shouldn't be.
Politics being what they are it is possible to have racial tensions without anyone believing in the inherant inferiority of another group of people. That is why it's important to specifically prevent people from trying to enflame/incite others with things like the "Pocket God"/"Resident Evil 5" allegations. All it does in the end (if successful) is convince people that other people think their inferior when there is no truth to it. The end result being a lot of chaos that hurts everyone, and five minutes of fame for the guy who got the comments published.
As far as racism being dead as a mainstream phenomena, it is. Obama was the final nail in it's coffin. There is simply no way at all that he could have been elected president, especially as clearly as happened (even by a couple of percentage points) without the support of the American Majority.
"Mainstream" does not mean that there are no racists. Simply that they are incredibly rare. Being racist, or even alleged to be racist (ie the kind of thing you see in the article that started this) can destroy someone. There is no secret majority of racists propping these people up anymore. What few racists exist are either extreme pariahs, or forced so far underground that they are entirely toothless and might as well not exist.
Today's educational establishment is also highly liberal. It's not a situation where the "elite" of well educated leaders are all closet racists making up for everything else. Nor is it an "old boys" network anymore because today the "old boys" are pretty much baby boomers... the bloody hippies and stuff that are RESPONSIBLE for the civil liberties movement.
I won't say there is no chance racism could return, but right now, in this country, it's dead for all intents and purposes.
What racism you see is a reaction to reverse racism, which many people even acknowlege is going on, the big question being what to do about it, since a lot of beneficiaries do not want to give up their advantages (nobody ever does).
I think Yahtzee pretty much summarized another part of the equasion pretty well in his review of "Fifty Cent, Blood In The Sand". Anyone who acts like one of these rap guys is a piece of human waste whether they are black or white. The thing is though you mostly see Black people acting that way, or actively identifying with that kind of behavior (or others that are equally ridiculous and negative). When people sit there and badmouth that kind of thing, it gets defended racially, and the people making the accusations are called racists. This of course leads to hard feelings and responses, that have nothing to do with race on any level but the behavior/subcultures involved.
Hey, I'll be honest. I think Fifty Cent is a complete jerk from what I've seen of him (for all I know he could be a great guy, we've never met. But I know what he presents). I think anyone who acts like he apparently does is a complete idiot. I do not dislike "Fitty" because I feel he's an inferior monkey person maquerading as a higher form of life. I dislike him because I think his entire presentation is reprehensible.
Yet, because I think this about the whole "Gangsta" movement and those who emulate it, to many I am a racist, when in reality I have the same exact opinion of all the white guys who go running around trying to act the same way.
Fifty Cent gets to make games about this crap because of the whole race card being on his side. If he was white and tried to do half of this stuff he'd be cruicified. I mostly pick on his latest "Blood In The Sand" game because of the setting, which has pretty much been "hands off" for anti-muslim discrimination reasons stemming from the current PC/left wing take on the war.
Well enough ramling, I don't actually expect you to agree with me. But in the end from what I've read (quotings of me and others) it seems to me your basically someone who wants to keep racism propped up as a public target despite the fact that the problem has more or less been solved, and all bringing up it's spectre now does is generate more problems
>>>----Therumancer--->
I was going to say the exact same thing ... In black & white it's not seen as a "minority group" or it doesn't resemble a "minority group" and therefore isn't seen as bad but as soon as it's anyone other than what is "the accepted norm" then it's racist.WNxSajuukCor said:
I honestly think they are the racist ones for claiming racism ... They're saying that they should have special treatment and everyone should walk on egg shells so as not to include them in any negative way. That is racist saying a group of people should be treated differently!
Uh-oh, best not show these people all the games where you're killing stick-figures, clearly discriminating against the anorexics among us.
Seriously though, this is terribly patronising to the people they believe they're defending. People need to realise that obvious stereotypes i.e. the drunken Irishman, or the tea-drinking stiff upper lipped Englishman, clearly only exist for comedy purposes. People aren't stupid enough to take them as an accurate representation of a populace.
Seriously though, this is terribly patronising to the people they believe they're defending. People need to realise that obvious stereotypes i.e. the drunken Irishman, or the tea-drinking stiff upper lipped Englishman, clearly only exist for comedy purposes. People aren't stupid enough to take them as an accurate representation of a populace.
In this day in age most of the accused "racism" is actually, ironically enough, caused by people noticing racist stereotypes, thus making the accuser slightly racist. (See: the RE4 backlash)
Maybe in the very beginning of the game they could give you a choice as to what nationality of people you could torture. But put a disclaimer on it stating that it would be in everyone best interest if you picked your own.
Well if the word racist wasn't invented, then there would probably be something like Lorgism, and we'd all be Lorgist against people different than us. Racism is just a word that constitutes an idea.Sparrow Tag said:
Your article justifies prejudice against whites by shrugging it off and saying "It's not that bad. See, people laugh?" That's not refutation, that's dodging the question. The only thing that your article showed is that white people just don't take themselves as seriously as some other races. Sure, I don't like being called a cracker, but I'm not going to fight someone over it.heintzer said:
How many Polynesians are called Alan, Mikey, Seth, Britney or Batman?Malygris said:
Usually the same way that any WW2 game deals with Germans, Hellgate:London deals with the English, or Mars Attacks deals with the Americans.
...But if you were torturing white people, that's perfectly fine! 
And how is this ENCOURAGING the torture of pacific people!? What an outrageous way to put it, completely exaggerated and false.
And how is this ENCOURAGING the torture of pacific people!? What an outrageous way to put it, completely exaggerated and false.
No one's trying to claim that people of color get a free pass for racially motivated violence, but honestly let's consider their situation. Inner city black people are victims of decades of housing discrimination, and that's just a for-instance. Oppression breeds resentment. Sure, there's plenty of anti-white sentiment among impoverished black communities as a result of that resentment, and often that resentment and poverty breeds violence. Of course, most of the rampant inner-city violence is carried out by black folks on other black folks (largely as a result of our hi-larious 'war on drugs' - that's something we can all agree on, right?).
All I am saying is that there are statistically proven systems in place that specifically undermine the success of people of color in the US. Many of those systems are the legacy of historical oppression (slavery, seperate but equal laws, housing loan discrimination in the 50s, etc) - but the practical, real-world result of that legacy is a group of people whose social position is still being actively pushed downwards.
It's a vicious cycle, too, because a lot of white folks from all social classes see violence in the black community, they see drugs and gang activity, they see anti-white sentiment, and to them that means that these people somehow deserve their station in life. And then SOME white people go a step farther and say - hey, maybe these black folks are actually genetically inferior to me.
The worst is when people of color themselves start to buy into this horrible mindset. Anyway this thread sucks, peace.
All I am saying is that there are statistically proven systems in place that specifically undermine the success of people of color in the US. Many of those systems are the legacy of historical oppression (slavery, seperate but equal laws, housing loan discrimination in the 50s, etc) - but the practical, real-world result of that legacy is a group of people whose social position is still being actively pushed downwards.
It's a vicious cycle, too, because a lot of white folks from all social classes see violence in the black community, they see drugs and gang activity, they see anti-white sentiment, and to them that means that these people somehow deserve their station in life. And then SOME white people go a step farther and say - hey, maybe these black folks are actually genetically inferior to me.
The worst is when people of color themselves start to buy into this horrible mindset. Anyway this thread sucks, peace.
Actually, let me make one more brief point -
A lot of people in this thread who are arguing with me seem to have a misunderstanding of what racism is (largely as a result of the touchy-feely 'colorblind' mainstream thought on issues of race). The kind of racism I'm talking about is systemic racism. It's institutional.
Therumancer may be right that personal racism is dead in America (as evidenced by a bunch of people voting for Obama). I actually don't agree with that 100% because there's a lot of deep-set racism on a personal level against people who "act black."
But institutional racism still exists; make no mistake. And it's that - not people talking about issues of race - that perpetuates racism in the long-term.
Talking about it openly is actually constructive. If whites and people of color all admitted that there's a problem - system-wide and at an individual level - and had an honest dialogue about it, with real solutions to the problem from the ghetto to Malibu, racism might actually one day die the swift death it so deserves.
A lot of people in this thread who are arguing with me seem to have a misunderstanding of what racism is (largely as a result of the touchy-feely 'colorblind' mainstream thought on issues of race). The kind of racism I'm talking about is systemic racism. It's institutional.
Therumancer may be right that personal racism is dead in America (as evidenced by a bunch of people voting for Obama). I actually don't agree with that 100% because there's a lot of deep-set racism on a personal level against people who "act black."
But institutional racism still exists; make no mistake. And it's that - not people talking about issues of race - that perpetuates racism in the long-term.
Talking about it openly is actually constructive. If whites and people of color all admitted that there's a problem - system-wide and at an individual level - and had an honest dialogue about it, with real solutions to the problem from the ghetto to Malibu, racism might actually one day die the swift death it so deserves.
