My apologies. This is a very frustrating topic to me.If you wanna take out your feelings on something, get a punching bag. If you're not going to engage with my post, don't reply to it.
My apologies. This is a very frustrating topic to me.If you wanna take out your feelings on something, get a punching bag. If you're not going to engage with my post, don't reply to it.
Yeah, that’s why I added zero authority to arrest. Probably take away the gun too.Cops are traffic officers here.. Most of the people getting their teeth in are having it done at traffic stops.. Biden is calling to bring in social workers and psychiatrists and everyone started complaining about that.
You have to remember they also have a higher probability than other professions of getting shot and attacked on the job as well and they have atrocious working conditions. They are not some " pristine Object" but we also can't pretend they do not have a completely shit job that you wouldn't even want to do. They have a higher risk of suicide than many professions for a reason.This is all just such insane liberal nonsense!
“The only way we can get cops to do better is if we pay them more”
If any other job was full of this much abuse, the correction would not be “give them more money.” I fuck up at my job and I get fired. Next guy does too they fire them. Mill workers fail a drug test? Fired. But cops, cops are pristine objects that must be rescued from the dumps of the working class so they can better oppress them. What the fuck man.
That was what I was talking about with the defensive and deescalation training they do in other nations. They have more cops, not less and they take them down by boxing them in with shields and such instead of having one cop chase them with a gun like they do in the US.Yeah, that’s why I added zero authority to arrest. Probably take away the gun too.
This kind of seems like you're saying that to be a cop is a noble endeavor and the kind of person who will take the job is a selfless, good individual.You have to remember they also have a higher probability than other professions of getting shot and attacked on the job as well and they have atrocious working conditions. They are not some " pristine Object" but we also can't pretend they do not have a completely shit job that you wouldn't even want to do. They have a higher risk of suicide than many professions for a reason.
None of that requires paying cops more than a median wage to draw them in. Maybe more people would be cops if cops didn’t suck ass.That was what I was talking about with the defensive and deescalation training they do in other nations. They have more cops, not less and they take them down by boxing them in with shields and such instead of having one cop chase them with a gun like they do in the US.
I already went over that here:That may just be "on the job" training. Police academy takes longer than that. And then most places have you spend months or years working at a penitentiary before you get to be the "on patrol" kind of cop.
What relation does money have with someone's proclivity to violence?
Can't a person say "I'll beat you up for free!" just as easily as they can say "I'll beat you up for money!"?
Under your proposal though, you won't even have enough cops to be able to implement their methods to begin with. You are just encouraging them to suck ass more.None of that requires paying cops more than a median wage to draw them in. Maybe more people would be cops if cops didn’t suck ass.
In Texas Sheriffs don't even need any of that, and they have jurisdiction OVER city police. They are elected and some of them we have had in Texas are real pieces of work..I'd meant to be generous and say 6 months, which is the max I've ever heard of. Most places are between 2-4 months tho.
I’ve worked more dangerous jobs than being a cop. I’ve worked jobs with higher suicide rates than being a cop. The primary cause of the former is the fact they’re in a car all day. Primary cause of the latter is their job is excessively alienating from their peers, even fellow officers. In any case, you can just get rid of the harmful incentives for getting a badge. You can take away the guns, the qualified immunity, the power to arrest (for most officers), etc. Then, maybe, we can discuss paying officers more. But to accomplish that first goal, you will have to diminish the local power of cops, which will only be accomplished through the coldest politics and will involve defunding, disbanding, etc. Adding another agency over the network of agencies that monitor cops won’t work. Perhaps if there was a total overhaul that immediately removed all existing police agencies and setup a new total system with a police force that had diminished authority you would be able to skip those steps, but I don’t see how that’s possible.You have to remember they also have a higher probability than other professions of getting shot and attacked on the job as well and they have atrocious working conditions. They are not some " pristine Object" but we also can't pretend they do not have a completely shit job that you wouldn't even want to do. They have a higher risk of suicide than many professions for a reason.
I am not saying " rescue the bad cops". You have to have a plan to attract better people to the job if you want to get rid of the bad cops. What is your plan to attract better quality people to the job? Or you just don't have one? I wouldn't even want a bad cop writing parking tickets. The goal here is to remove the bad cops all together, otherwise it doesn't matter what rules we enforced upon them, they will just do it anyways and it will be a revolving door with high turnover of parades of bad cops instead. That is what you are proposing here.
They’ll also lack the political power to stop those reforms on a local level. After that we can talk increasing incentives to draw in new cops.Under your proposal though, you won't even have enough cops to be able to implement their methods to begin with. You are just encouraging them to suck ass more.
The "Harmful incentives" are already illegal. Like I said, this just creates a parade through a revolving door of bad officers. We can't take away their ability to arrest as that is what we actually NEED police for. We can bring in social workers and psychiatrists, but removing the ability to arrest for the cops means who is actually going to arrest the guy with the gun/ knife/ running over people with a car/ robbing the store/ kicking a granny in her ribs so he can steal her purse.. you see, we have people who NEED to be arrested all around us on a daily basis. That is why we have cops is to arrest them. Every job I have worked in required many occasions of needing cops to come arrest someone, often daily, or even multiple times a day. We can't pretend like there isn't a widespread need for arrests either.I’ve worked more dangerous jobs than being a cop. I’ve worked jobs with higher suicide rates than being a cop. The primary cause of the former is the fact they’re in a car all day. Primary cause of the latter is their job is excessively alienating from their peers, even fellow officers. In any case, you can just get rid of the harmful incentives for getting a badge. You can take away the guns, the qualified immunity, the power to arrest (for most officers), etc. Then, maybe, we can discuss paying officers more. But to accomplish that first goal, you will have to diminish the local power of cops, which will only be accomplished through the coldest politics and will involve defunding, disbanding, etc. Adding another agency over the network of agencies that monitor cops won’t work. Perhaps if there was a total overhaul that immediately removed all existing police agencies and setup a new total system with a police force that had diminished authority you would be able to skip those steps, but I don’t see how that’s possible.
We can address universal reform on a federal level which will give more incentives for compliance in departments on the local level when financial incentives are involved.They’ll also lack the political power to stop those reforms on a local level. After that we can talk increasing incentives to draw in new cops.
Lol. No we won’t.We can address universal reform on a federal level which will give more incentives for compliance in departments on the local level when financial incentives are involved.
90% of what cops do doesn’t require weapons. Most cops just pull people over. Violent incidents and picking people up with warrants for arrest shouldn’t be carried out by the same people who hand out speeding tickets.The "Harmful incentives" are already illegal. Like I said, this just creates a parade through a revolving door of bad officers. We can't take away their ability to arrest as that is what we actually NEED police for. We can bring in social workers and psychiatrists, but removing the ability to arrest for the cops means who is actually going to arrest the guy with the gun/ knife/ running over people with a car/ robbing the store/ kicking a granny in her ribs so he can steal her purse.. you see, we have people who NEED to be arrested all around us on a daily basis. That is why we have cops is to arrest them. Every job I have worked in required many occasions of needing cops to come arrest someone, often daily, or even multiple times a day. We can't pretend like there isn't a widespread need for arrests either.
Most of what they do can be shifted to social workers and psychiatrists, and they can still be on scene, but just step back unless they are needed in those circumstance. HOWEVER, domestic violence cases and such are actually the riskiest thing cops even do and gets them killed regularly. It isn't always a case of " domestic violence = counselor only situations. You would just be getting counselors killed as well. Traffic stops can turn deadly quickly as well though.90% of what cops do doesn’t require weapons. Most cops just pull people over. Violent incidents and picking people up with warrants for arrest shouldn’t be carried out by the same people who hand out speeding tickets.
I didn’t bring up domestic violence cases as those should involve someone armed and a counselor who does the actual talking.Most of what they do can be shifted to social workers and psychiatrists, and they can still be on scene, but just step back unless they are needed in those circumstance. HOWEVER, domestic violence cases and such are actually the riskiest thing cops even do and gets them killed regularly. It isn't always a case of " domestic violence = counselor only situations. You would just be getting counselors killed as well. Traffic stops can turn deadly quickly as well though.
Much of the problem is how prevalent violence is the reason for the police call in the first place. This is why the deescalation and defensive training is so vitally important to this.
Yea, those situations actually may need a good deal of backup from some of the crazy things I have seen.. Scary stuff there.I didn’t bring up domestic violence cases as those should involve someone armed and a counselor who does the actual talking.