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All police are corrupt Hawki, there are no exceptions, it's impossible to avoid in a system that puts a cost on human life.Okay, so your police are corrupt by the sound of things. So does your quest for abolition go global?
But at the rate it happens now it's exclusive to Capitalism, companies refuse to give away the food they can't sell because it's cheaper to throw it in the garbage, under this system the ability to make a couple of bucks is more important than human lives, every time they throw that food away or take water from small communities, that's murder, they're actively choosing to harm people by doing that, it's repulsive.Of course I see the issue with it, it's absurd. It's morally repugnant. But again, you'd have similar problems under other systems. Food waste isn't an issue confined to one economic system.
It actually has a better track record than you think, while it's true that people starved under the Soviet Union due to well, many factors including poor management, historically Socialist economies have provided a better quality of life than other countries at the same economic level, this information is based on data provided by the World Bank a definitely capitalist organisation, you've just been lied to by the media and the education system.Socialism doesn't have the best record for reducing starvation - see Venezuela and North Korea. Also, the murder rate. Again, on the global level, murders have gone down, not up. Now, this isn't a case of "correlation equals causation," but if we agree that murder and robbery is less likely once people are lifted out of poverty, then, well, what's done a better job of lifting people out of poverty over the last 100 years?
You can find the study here if you want to read it.
Well I've made my own conclusion, I'm not asking you to take my word at face value, if anything of what I'm saying rings true to you, even if most of it sounds foolish and idealistic, why not research this on your own so you can reach their own conclusion?I have little time or interest in argumentum ad extremum. Anyone saying "capitalism is the best thing ever, it's the perfect economic system, it can never be improved or replaced" is someone I have little time for either. The problem, as I see it, is that attempts at alternative economic systems (see socialism and communism) haven't provided a good alternative. I certainly hope there is an alternative out there (the closest I've seen is donut economics, but that's basically just theoretical at this point), but you're not going to sell me on the idea of state socialism/communism.
Granted, a lot of people say that any form of government interferance is socialism, and as per the above comments, I have no time for these people. There's a happy medium between the government running everything and the government running nothing.
Oh, you know an abstract representation of the opposition, a flaw in my argument if we must analyse it further, very much the same mistake you made in your post, so let's not split hairs here.First of all, who's "they?"
Well it is reality, no different than most of the world though.Second of all, I don't think Mexico's a horrible hellscape, but it's not propaganda to acknowledge that Mexico has a lot of problems. You haven't really painted a pretty picture of Mexico yourself when you've already acknowledged corrupt police, drug cartels, and separatist movements.
Oh, I very much dislike China's government and what happens there, that should be obvious though all my stances have been anti-authoritarian.Third of all, China isn't a hellscape. It is, however, a country that has serious human rights issues and dubious foreign influence. This isn't some grand conspiracy, everyone knows it.
I don't know enough about Australia to comment on this, but surely it's obvious how many problems are directly the cause of the Economic System that most of the world has been forced to live under.Fourth of all, I don't live in the USA, and the USA hasn't really afforded me or Australia anything since WWII (in a societal sense, there's obviously plenty of US media and technology I consume). Capitalism isn't some magic genie that's given me everything good in my life - good government has, and plenty of other things that exist regardless of an economic system. The USA has its own breed of insanity with capitalism, and it's not an insanity I'd be keen to live under. Better than the USSR, China, or Mexico? Sure. But not my first choice. The United States is disintegrating before my eyes, and a lot of that has to do with income inequality.
Nothing happy about a moderate solution, it has had a century to do something and it's literally on the border of destroying world.Again, happy mediums.